EPToh and the comeback needs to be relooked at, if not scrapped.
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Comeh
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oh and the comeback needs to be relooked at, if not scrapped. | ||
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SKC
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goody153
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On April 15 2015 01:54 TheYango wrote: I mean, people got the idea that "fastpush/deathball" was the only way to play 6.81 after TI4 even though that's not how everyone was playing that version up until TI4 happened. That's pretty much what the story of TI2 was (Na'Vi figured out how to draft against Chinese Naga first-pick) and I'm pretty sure people thought that was better than either TI3 or TI4. i think the fastpush/deathball did not happen as much as people think .. i mean the group stages certainly did not look like that idk | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 15 2015 01:57 Comeh wrote: A lot of the staleness of the meta are centered around the 4-6 strongest heroes in this patch. I don't think it would be that bad if some nerfs went around to a few heroes, and a few heroes got some small buffs. oh and the comeback needs to be relooked at, if not scrapped. Deal with the troll/jug/lina issue and a lot more heroes become viable. How many supports are drafted solely because they have a kit to deal with those heroes? And the XP/gold system needs looking at for sure. As Aui_2000 said, assist gold/xp is fucked and comback XP is stupid. Especially after buy back. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On April 15 2015 01:57 SKC wrote: I'm not so sure TI2>TI3 is the general opinion TI2 was siiiick but there's still a lot of people who only know TI2 from "the play" youtube clips and weren't dota fans until too late to really recall it properly | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
And TI3 ended up pretty much the best way a tournament could end up and the finals is one of the main things that matters in people's mind. Even for people that watched both I don't think it's that clearcut that TI2 is viewed as better, if it is at all. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
And runes blew my mind. I couldn't understand what they did until I figured out that they could be bottled. | ||
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andyrau
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On April 15 2015 01:57 goody153 wrote: i think the fastpush/deathball did not happen as much as people think .. i mean the group stages certainly did not look like that idk ? vg ran deathballs like every single game throughout the tournament and it became the meta for what, 2 months-ish (?) after ti4 ended that playstyle was such a bore to watch | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
you guys are mongol, you were bitching during ti2 because they farmed too long for your liking and when they push really hard you bitch again | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 15 2015 02:04 SKC wrote: And TI3 ended up pretty much the best way a tournament could end up and the finals is one of the main things that matters in people's mind. Even for people that watched both I don't think it's that clearcut that TI2 is viewed as better, if it is at all. I thought TI2 finals were way better than TI3 or TI4. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On April 15 2015 02:10 Sn0_Man wrote: comeback mechanics remain unjustifiable and fundamentally flawed and cannot be numerically tweaked to be both relevant and unharmful. Unless, of course, you always want games that end up in highground defences being hte most important part of the game. Honestly, most of the strong heroes (besides troll) only need some small tweaks. Jugg will be balanced iwth a 1.6 BAT. Sniper will be balanced with a CD on shrapnel (even if its short like 5-7 seconds), and so on. On April 15 2015 02:11 TheYango wrote: I thought TI2 finals were way better than TI3 or TI4. its hard for me to tell if it was just becuase I was newer to the game, or if TI2 meta was actually just better. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On April 15 2015 02:11 TheYango wrote: I thought TI2 finals were way better than TI3 or TI4. But you must also realize that is not an extremelly popular opinion. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 15 2015 02:13 SKC wrote: But you must also realize that is not an extremelly popular opinion. At the time of TI4 finals it seemed to be the prevailing one, I'm not sure how that changed. | ||
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goody153
44290 Posts
On April 15 2015 02:05 andyrau wrote: comeback mechanics are fine it just needs to be changed to be less punishing and/or less rewarding in the late game ? vg ran deathballs like every single game throughout the tournament and it became the meta for what, 2 months-ish (?) after ti4 ended that playstyle was such a bore to watch that was pretty much VG only during TI4 the rest picked same heroes but doing different shit .. the group stages had so many long games | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On April 15 2015 02:14 TheYango wrote: I'd rather Shrapnel be balanced with a mana cost/charge time change. Having both a charge time and an actual CD is clunky and kinda not well-supported in the DotA 2 UI in a way that expresses it clearly. At the time of TI4 finals it seemed to be the prevailing one, I'm not sure how that changed. TI3 finals > TI2 finals was always a very popular opinion. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 15 2015 02:15 SKC wrote: TI3 finals > TI2 finals was always a very popular opinion. In which case the amount of "TI3 finals were just as shit, TI finals are just like that" that came out after the anticlimactic TI4 finals should have been more than a little surprising to you. On April 15 2015 02:12 Comeh wrote: its hard for me to tell if it was just becuase I was newer to the game, or if TI2 meta was actually just better. TI2 meta was way worse, I mean Naga/Lycan were like the top 2 P/B heroes, lol. It's just the storyline of TI2 led to a really dynamic series between Faith/Puppey's drafting that runs totally counter to the idea that a figured-out version leads to stale series where teams only pick the same shit. TI3 finals was still Bat+Wisp every fucking game. | ||
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Plansix
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