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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34495 Posts
January 01 2025 07:32 GMT
#211961
Happy new year old friends
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
January 01 2025 10:12 GMT
#211962
happy new year
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6593 Posts
January 01 2025 22:16 GMT
#211963
Happy new year
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28091 Posts
January 01 2025 22:59 GMT
#211964
Happy new year. Hope everyone is doing well!

Nice to see some activity in this thread haha
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
January 06 2025 17:54 GMT
#211965
Happy new year everyone!

I spent the last couple of days in Aarhus, Denmark, visiting friends.
Had a blast. Great fun, not just because of our friends, it's just nice to get out of Berlin from time to time to get a glimpse of a less stressed out society

Went to a climbing club gym that was eyewateringly amazing with great routesetting, almost exclusively done by the members, free coffee (part of the running costs), huge bouldering spraywall and I think a fixed angle kilter board.
Mindblowing that its like 300€ a year membership fee for that.

I appreciated walking everywhere in the inner districts and saw some cool architecture in the the old and new districts.
Loved the butterfly greenhouse and ate too many sweet treats the danish are rather excellent at conjuring, like the Flodebollen we had.

If it had proper hills and a couple mountains I'd be sold.
passive quaranstream fan
murielhalley
Profile Joined March 2025
1 Post
March 08 2025 23:12 GMT
#211966
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Lambertus
Profile Joined February 2010
South Africa977 Posts
March 17 2025 07:16 GMT
#211967
Well, Wallachia S3 was a pleasure to watch! :D
The only known Reverend on TL playing SC2 and BW (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409226)
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
March 22 2025 22:04 GMT
#211968
IDK what do do guys. I lost 1.5k MMR since december and all games are absolute stomps. Sadly 3/4 are unwinnable.
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
March 28 2025 02:56 GMT
#211969
Damn I feel, game is hard haha. Wow it's been a minute :O
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3260 Posts
April 06 2025 21:17 GMT
#211970
On March 23 2025 07:04 Slomo wrote:
IDK what do do guys. I lost 1.5k MMR since december and all games are absolute stomps. Sadly 3/4 are unwinnable.

Imo the game has put more and more value on teamfight execution and quick concise reaction to global movement. While I think that's good for pro matches, it also means that it's become harder and harder imo to swing the pendulum when people perform noticeably worse.
To boot imo MM has been a dumpster fire in the last year or so. Perhaps longer and my perception is just wrong, but I feel like before you had a close game in 2 or 3 games and most were winnable and now I feel like I have a close game in maybe 5 and a comeback in 10. The shift makes the game significantly less enjoyable for me.

Tbh I still think rubberband made for enjoyable pub games, but apparently I was the vast minority.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
April 22 2025 11:17 GMT
#211971
Welp, as someone who's been playing for 15-20 years or w/e, here is my boomer take - sorry if it's been expressed before in this 10000+ post thread.

Everything in the game has been normalized - carrys don't carry as hard, everyone gets more gold, or at least has a lesser difference in gold (contributing to the first point). Things like aura strats have been killed off, with many heroes auras changed in a way that makes them less viable for team stacking/pushing - things Necrobook being gone and Helm of Dom not being a carry item for how many years also adds to this. Supports getting more gold simply by existing makes Mid and Carry and roaming ranks less impactful. I know it won't be a consciously popular take, but I liked the way old supports functioned - doing more with less was a fun way to support. Trilanes also felt pretty good, and again gave you more ways to play (at least, I'd love a meta where both duo and tri lanes were viable options, as well as jungling). Tri lanes and jungler options had players making choices for greed vs team enablement, as well as offensive trilanes, or stronger support roams (the gate is nice, but it's not quite the same).

I could list more, but in general, the above takes away from the ways you could win the game, and takes away nuance from drafts.

IMO, Dota was fun because of all the OP stuff you could cook up, ways you could approach getting to the end game objective. Taking away a lot of the ways you could choose to optimize a strat - say 4 protect 1, rat, deathball, etc, just makes the game feel like a more complex version of league.

I'm not saying it's all doom and gloom - I like that they made some changes to things like gleipner and at least tried to mitigate hero health to a degree. I'm also not saying it is league, just that the normalization trend makes it feel like dota is continuing to move in that general direction. In example, WR and Marcy carry getting nerfed to get forced to be played more in line with some arbitrarily "intended" role, feels about as anti dota as something can get - Dota has always been about freedom of choice and cool interactions - removing choices and having players, heros, or items "stay in their lane" so to speak, always feels bad to me.

Anywho, I still love the game, but I hope they start moving away from the current balance trends, and start re-adding or regrowing some teeth to "core" heroes and ways to try to win the game.
Only by overcoming many obstacles does a river become - デイヴィ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ド
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-24 01:05:12
April 24 2025 01:05 GMT
#211972
Should we not have some kind of discord? Don't wanna lose years of friendship tbh.

Miss you guys

I've been really absorbed in my phd but it's been going great
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
dhresearchlabo
Profile Joined April 2025
Canada1 Post
April 24 2025 01:54 GMT
#211973
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32742 Posts
April 24 2025 02:56 GMT
#211974
I wholly endorse another way for us to stay connected. Looks like we're all spending less and less time on TL.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
April 27 2025 22:53 GMT
#211975
On April 24 2025 11:56 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I wholly endorse another way for us to stay connected. Looks like we're all spending less and less time on TL.

Maybe a discord of sorts.
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44222 Posts
May 01 2025 12:01 GMT
#211976
On April 28 2025 07:53 Faruko wrote:
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On April 24 2025 11:56 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I wholly endorse another way for us to stay connected. Looks like we're all spending less and less time on TL.

Maybe a discord of sorts.

Yeah honestly. Somebody just make a discord server.

Most of my internet discussions are on discord nowadays
this is a quote
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
May 03 2025 11:20 GMT
#211977
Why not use the bluemoon discord?
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
May 04 2025 12:59 GMT
#211978
On May 03 2025 20:20 Slomo wrote:
Why not use the bluemoon discord?

maybe theyre not in it
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-24 14:52:00
May 22 2025 18:08 GMT
#211979
On May 03 2025 20:20 Slomo wrote:
Why not use the bluemoon discord?

wtf, where's that discord, can someone DM the link?
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6593 Posts
May 24 2025 16:32 GMT
#211980
It's not really active either, but it does exist I suppose. I'll send you the link
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