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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-11 06:12:21
March 11 2023 06:09 GMT
#211401
On March 11 2023 15:01 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2023 14:59 PassiveAce wrote:
Let's fucking gooooooooooooo

Post png/gif maybe?


Don't brutalize me too much.


https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1016460317053702246/1083963377203814431/lichess_study_rzebiaks-study_chapter-1_by_rzebiak_2023.03.11.gif

Wow that was a scary looking passed pawn on d6 lol. Nice win!!

Playing checkmate in your first rated game seems auspicious
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-11 06:15:49
March 11 2023 06:14 GMT
#211402
Yeah, this was my first game ever in a time format longer than like 5-5. Thought I was lost there for a bit, but the f5 pawn and D4 rook really did wonders keeping his king out of the game.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
March 11 2023 10:04 GMT
#211403
Good job, best of success for the following games!
passive quaranstream fan
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34492 Posts
March 11 2023 10:11 GMT
#211404
Well played!
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-11 15:29:03
March 11 2023 14:45 GMT
#211405
Learning how to play like a psychopath. Pretty sure this must have been losing but man is it fun to play nc3 when there's an enemy pawn on d4, nakhmanson style

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Engine says I'm losing badly if he played kg8 but I have forced mate down 10 points of material after he decided on ke8. Sounds about right
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
March 12 2023 03:45 GMT
#211406
3-0 So far!
My second game I felt like I had a good position throughout. Was a bit nervous about a bishop sac on h3 at one point but it didn't occur. God knows I was probably completely lost, but I'll plug it into an engine later and post...

Third game we had an exchange fest that I miscalculated that he had check at one point and ended up in an endgame with two rooks versus three minor pieces and a pawn. Not proud of that game, but managed to win it in the end game with a passed pawn.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
March 12 2023 11:39 GMT
#211407
post games
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
March 12 2023 13:24 GMT
#211408
Game 2, haven't got game 3 in yet: https://lichess.org/study/iyTjryQF
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-12 18:37:37
March 12 2023 17:50 GMT
#211409
On March 12 2023 22:24 Chewbacca. wrote:
Game 2, haven't got game 3 in yet: https://lichess.org/study/iyTjryQF

Lmao Teddy was complaining to me about how annoying it is to play against the nimzo-larsen just a few weeks ago

Nice game!! I like that nc4 to ne3 maneuver! Also I thought kh2 was understandable, I would have been nervous about the sac on h3 too since it seems kind of hard to bring in defensive pieces. the engine doesn't give a shit and plays nh2 qf3 but who wants to have to worry about all that??
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
March 12 2023 17:59 GMT
#211410
yeah fuck nimzo larsen its so anti chess
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
March 12 2023 18:08 GMT
#211411
Why do you hate good bishops??
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
March 14 2023 08:45 GMT
#211412
Oh would you look at that I forgot to reply.

On February 13 2023 04:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Sounds exciting, both the trip and IPO preparation. I'm just living as usual and have been picking up books again since last summer.

Noice. Good to hear. Any good books you'd recommend?
And yeah.. I mostly want to finish the IPO so I can exercise my options I was given 2 years ago lmao. Unless the financial markets crash (Oh hey SVB) it should be a nice chunk of money upfront. So that's making motivation to get it done pretty high.

Also Japan is A+ as a tourist. Trip there was a bit pricey (but luckily work paid for it) but being in Japan itself is stupidly cheap, at least coming from Danish prices.

On February 13 2023 17:05 PoulsenB wrote:
Oh hey Unleashing, glad to see you back

Cheers bud.


On February 13 2023 18:18 Faruko wrote:
Uuuh that sounds nice unleashing.

I'm preparing my eurotrip for later this year, August. Alongside going to Wacken.

Have a good trip. I can't help too much with where you're going sadly but are you gonna travel by train? Interrail/Eurail is pretty neat.


On February 16 2023 07:53 eieio wrote:
Oh shit, hey Unleashing, heya Bluemoon (I feel like I've seen you playing a lot of PoE? I was playing a lot of PoE for a while).

A life update for me is: I quit my fancy job at the end of last year after grinding pretty hard for ~7 years and am taking a year or two to relax and maybe eventually try to make a game. Chilling in New York with no responsibilities turns out to be pretty fun!

That sounds awesome. I get what you mean honestly.
I'm luckily not anywhere close to burnt out but my plan is without a doubt to create a stable foundation for my life so that doing stuff like that is an option if I'd ever want to.

On February 17 2023 09:40 PassiveAce wrote:
hey there unleashing and bluemoon, hope you guys have been well

Bit up bit down mostly just moving forward. Same to you my dude.

Hope y'all are good.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
March 14 2023 15:50 GMT
#211413
On March 14 2023 17:45 Unleashing wrote:
Oh would you look at that I forgot to reply.

Show nested quote +
On February 13 2023 04:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Sounds exciting, both the trip and IPO preparation. I'm just living as usual and have been picking up books again since last summer.

Noice. Good to hear. Any good books you'd recommend?

I was quite fond of:

Our Man: Richard Holbrooke and the End of the American Century – George Packer

(A riveting profile of an American diplomat who served at the apex and the decline of American power.)

The Ends of the World: Volcanic Apocalypses, Lethal Oceans, and Our Quest to Understand Earth's Past Mass Extinctions– Peter Brannen

(A chronicle of Earth's five mass extinctions and how humanity is entertaining similar conditions. Sobering read.)

Bad Blood: Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup – John Carreyrou

(The story of Theranos and the culture of deceit, bullshit, and hype that's permeated Silicon Valley.)

The WEIRDest People in the World: How the West Became Psychologically Peculiar and Particularly Prosperous – Joseph Henrich

(Delivers an interesting explanation for why Westerners think so differently from the rest of the world. The author argues it is because of the Catholic Church's marriage restrictions that made Europeans more individualistic by breaking up the traditional family structure of the time.)

Athens: City of Wisdom – Bruce Clark

(A history of Athens from its ancient foundings, the Classical era, Roman rule, its status as a backwater during the Byzantine era, Ottoman rule, Greek independence, and the Cold War and Eurozone crisis.

The Passenger – Cormac McCarthy

Stella Maris - Cormac McCarthy

(McCarthy's two-partner novels and likely his last works. Some truly beautiful language here in a tale about doomed siblings.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-14 20:42:39
March 14 2023 20:42 GMT
#211414
I caught covid from a colleague last week - which is very unfortunate as we've go so many cool things coming up at work.
But since I'm on sick leave I had time to not just play A plague tale Requiem, but also
CHAINED ECHOES.

its a modern JRPG (auto heal after combat, saving everywhere) and absolutely amazing.
It's on gamepass currently and its been developed by one person only. holy wow.


@FARUKO that is something you'd play on the stead deck or switch, I'm sure
passive quaranstream fan
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-14 20:59:25
March 14 2023 20:56 GMT
#211415
On March 15 2023 05:42 Artisreal wrote:
I caught covid from a colleague last week - which is very unfortunate as we've go so many cool things coming up at work.
But since I'm on sick leave I had time to not just play A plague tale Requiem, but also
CHAINED ECHOES.

its a modern JRPG (auto heal after combat, saving everywhere) and absolutely amazing.
It's on gamepass currently and its been developed by one person only. holy wow.


@FARUKO that is something you'd play on the stead deck or switch, I'm sure

I binged chained echoes over a break and was pleasantly surprised. Plays like a much updated ffvi sans the most obnoxious mechanics from that era. Haven't enjoyed playing a jrpg that much in a long time.

I was extra impressed with how the combat managed to make the "defend" option more than situationally useful without it feeling burdensome. Maybe the first jrpg to ever accomplish that?

Hope you feel better soon man
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
March 16 2023 16:20 GMT
#211416
On March 15 2023 05:56 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2023 05:42 Artisreal wrote:
I caught covid from a colleague last week - which is very unfortunate as we've go so many cool things coming up at work.
But since I'm on sick leave I had time to not just play A plague tale Requiem, but also
CHAINED ECHOES.

its a modern JRPG (auto heal after combat, saving everywhere) and absolutely amazing.
It's on gamepass currently and its been developed by one person only. holy wow.


@FARUKO that is something you'd play on the stead deck or switch, I'm sure

I binged chained echoes over a break and was pleasantly surprised. Plays like a much updated ffvi sans the most obnoxious mechanics from that era. Haven't enjoyed playing a jrpg that much in a long time.

I was extra impressed with how the combat managed to make the "defend" option more than situationally useful without it feeling burdensome. Maybe the first jrpg to ever accomplish that?

Hope you feel better soon man

thanks, i finished it this morning. man, I really want more but as this one took maybe >4 years to develop I'm not holding my breath, haha.

bit disappointed that you cannot pick up after the ending but apart from that had a blast.

Also feeling a lot better re: covid, thanks!
passive quaranstream fan
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-17 12:33:12
March 17 2023 12:31 GMT
#211417
So since I've finished chained echoes and the weather is nice I've continued reading Sherry Turkle's book "Reclaiming Conversation" on our balcony and have a quick question for y'all.

The book follows how conversations develop for / in young people in the US (college between say early 2000s to 2010s) through from what I gather qualitative interviews with the same groups.
Basic gist is, that the young ones have so much anxiety that having "real time" conversations is overwhelming, hence texting / emailing is vastly preferred.

Having a phone call "puts you on the spot", which is to be avoided, because you could make a mistake, be judged for what you say, e.g. an unfinished thought, something "uncurated", imperfect, something in thought, in development.

Some report being on their phone with friends while being present with friends who are on their phones with friends. (Like whaaat??)

Do you guys experience something like that yourselves or see that e.g. in younger colleagues?
What are your thoughts and experiences regarding the above statements?
(I feel like I'm outing myself as an 80s kid here xd)
passive quaranstream fan
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
March 17 2023 14:40 GMT
#211418
On March 17 2023 21:31 Artisreal wrote:
So since I've finished chained echoes and the weather is nice I've continued reading Sherry Turkle's book "Reclaiming Conversation" on our balcony and have a quick question for y'all.

The book follows how conversations develop for / in young people in the US (college between say early 2000s to 2010s) through from what I gather qualitative interviews with the same groups.
Basic gist is, that the young ones have so much anxiety that having "real time" conversations is overwhelming, hence texting / emailing is vastly preferred.

Having a phone call "puts you on the spot", which is to be avoided, because you could make a mistake, be judged for what you say, e.g. an unfinished thought, something "uncurated", imperfect, something in thought, in development.

Some report being on their phone with friends while being present with friends who are on their phones with friends. (Like whaaat??)

Do you guys experience something like that yourselves or see that e.g. in younger colleagues?
What are your thoughts and experiences regarding the above statements?
(I feel like I'm outing myself as an 80s kid here xd)


I read one turkle book like 10 years ago and I kind of got the sense that she was worried mostly about society becoming increasingly impersonal as we move further and further towards digital communication. I think that digital communication is only as impersonal as you want it to be though. Ex: I've made very close friends from a random fan webforum for a late 90's strategy game

Ive seen some funny behavior like watching people who are within hearing distance of each other communicate by text, but I'm not sure what, if any, broader conclusions can be drawn from that sort of thing
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-17 16:23:13
March 17 2023 16:18 GMT
#211419
I've started a bit of a side hustle, nothing too fancy, not to get rich or something. Just to make a few coins while also do something that keepsme occupied, happy and that's fun for me

So now, i sell sourdough bread


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the bast part is that, people really really like it. Makes me happy.
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-17 16:44:17
March 17 2023 16:29 GMT
#211420
On March 17 2023 23:40 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2023 21:31 Artisreal wrote:
So since I've finished chained echoes and the weather is nice I've continued reading Sherry Turkle's book "Reclaiming Conversation" on our balcony and have a quick question for y'all.

The book follows how conversations develop for / in young people in the US (college between say early 2000s to 2010s) through from what I gather qualitative interviews with the same groups.
Basic gist is, that the young ones have so much anxiety that having "real time" conversations is overwhelming, hence texting / emailing is vastly preferred.

Having a phone call "puts you on the spot", which is to be avoided, because you could make a mistake, be judged for what you say, e.g. an unfinished thought, something "uncurated", imperfect, something in thought, in development.

Some report being on their phone with friends while being present with friends who are on their phones with friends. (Like whaaat??)

Do you guys experience something like that yourselves or see that e.g. in younger colleagues?
What are your thoughts and experiences regarding the above statements?
(I feel like I'm outing myself as an 80s kid here xd)


I read one turkle book like 10 years ago and I kind of got the sense that she was worried mostly about society becoming increasingly impersonal as we move further and further towards digital communication. I think that digital communication is only as impersonal as you want it to be though. Ex: I've made very close friends from a random fan webforum for a late 90's strategy game

Ive seen some funny behavior like watching people who are within hearing distance of each other communicate by text, but I'm not sure what, if any, broader conclusions can be drawn from that sort of thing

Yes, that sums it up rather nicely. How digitization of connections affects our ability to interact person to person - face to face, phone to phone, our ability to be emphatic with others in general. Well put.

I wanted to add to the questions above, if / how smartphones are affecting your IRL conversations?
Since reading the book, I tend to consciously put my phone away whenever I meet a friend to focus on them only.
I for myself cannot multitask doing something on the phone while being attentive. Maybe the words reach me but most emotion and all body language is lost for me.

I've also made friends playing Diablo 2 in the day, like late 90s. But I can only call two of them really friends as I've never met anyone else in person. To me, that feels essential. Maybe it's different with the ubiquity of "voice chat" nowadays but I don't think I had a mic until.... 2010s??

re: texting while present. I will send a heart emoticon to my wife while she's in the flat to get a laugh or a smile or fill the grocery list or send a link.
But properly conversing I cannot think of a reason to do via text if she's within earshot or walking distance.
passive quaranstream fan
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