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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 15 2014 23:18 GMT
#129801
Fear, man. Fear.

Is he just the best player of all time?
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7066 Posts
September 15 2014 23:20 GMT
#129802
fear's good but EG is still getting rolled by this DP
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 15 2014 23:22 GMT
#129803
Yeah. There was one extremely bullshit play where the Black Hole was canceled by the Eul's of the Death Prophet who was currently trapped in the Black Hole.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
September 15 2014 23:22 GMT
#129804
Wow. You misunderstood all three of the posts you quoted.

Argument 1: "It also helps..."

Emphasis added. By no means is it essential. That's reading 101. The essential thing is avoiding loans you can't pay back.

Argument 2: I certainly didn't pick a degree that helped me get a job, yet I've got no debt. It's not because of my degree choice, it's because I didn't take out tons of loans.

Argument 3: "If you take out loans (that you can't repay) it is no one's fault but your own". It's about the loans.

Not the degree. The loans. If I could put that in bigger font, I would. You cannot remove school choice because it is the biggest driver of debt.
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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
September 15 2014 23:23 GMT
#129805
On September 16 2014 08:17 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 07:02 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
.

I'm going to leave this discussion here.



yo if you say sth like that at least go with it and not retract it immediately


I got 8/8 b8ed
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 15 2014 23:24 GMT
#129806
On September 16 2014 08:22 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Argument 3: "If you take out loans (that you can't repay) it is no one's fault but your own". It's about the loans.

I'm going to isolate this. Are you familiar with the oldschool wage slavery systems? You know, the ones with the company store? Are the debtors at fault for those loans as well? If not, how do you distinguish between legitimate debt and illegitimate debt?
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7066 Posts
September 15 2014 23:26 GMT
#129807
On September 16 2014 08:22 Acritter wrote:
Yeah. There was one extremely bullshit play where the Black Hole was canceled by the Eul's of the Death Prophet who was currently trapped in the Black Hole.

korok on rubick is doing a hell of a lot of work though

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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 23:30:03
September 15 2014 23:26 GMT
#129808
On September 16 2014 08:22 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Wow. You misunderstood all three of the posts you quoted.

Argument 1: "It also helps..."

Emphasis added. By no means is it essential. That's reading 101. The essential thing is avoiding loans you can't pay back.

Argument 2: I certainly didn't pick a degree that helped me get a job, yet I've got no debt. It's not because of my degree choice, it's because I didn't take out tons of loans.

Argument 3: "If you take out loans (that you can't repay) it is no one's fault but your own". It's about the loans.

Not the degree. The loans. If I could put that in bigger font, I would. You cannot remove school choice because it is the biggest driver of debt.


[big][/big]
Add more big tags to make it bigger (or small tags if you want to write small).

You claim the first argument is about loans, but the second argument is talking about degrees in comparison:

On September 16 2014 06:01 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Amusingly, I triple-majored in history, classics and Asian Studies. None of those things are even remotely worthwhile.

On the other hand, a buddy of mine in high school got his Master Electrician's license and is making $150,000 a year.

It just takes a certain amount of foresight and the willingness to look at things rationally and without romance. No matter how many professors tell you otherwise, or how stupid it sounds, a degree in Gender Studies or Creative Writing qualifies you to work as a barista, while a certification in pipefitting guarantees that you'll make enough money to do whatever you want to do for fun.


On September 16 2014 06:20 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 06:16 Torte de Lini wrote:
On September 16 2014 06:01 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Amusingly, I triple-majored in history, classics and Asian Studies. None of those things are even remotely worthwhile.

On the other hand, a buddy of mine in high school got his Master Electrician's license and is making $150,000 a year.

It just takes a certain amount of foresight and the willingness to look at things rationally and without romance. No matter how many professors tell you otherwise, or how stupid it sounds, a degree in Gender Studies or Creative Writing qualifies you to work as a barista, while a certification in pipefitting guarantees that you'll make enough money to do whatever you want to do for fun.


It's practical to go and study fields that are in high-demand, it's just not the basis of university at all. It's even dumber to reject someone's perspective on university and debt by saying: "all you have to do to avoid paying debt for decades is to study something that pays well"

If people knowingly make shitty decisions, they shouldn't be surprised when those decisions have consequences.

If you take out loans to pay for an expensive liberal arts college, and you get a degree that doesn't have career potential, it is no one's fault but your own that you're stuck in debt. It's no different to buying anything else you can't afford.


Argument 3 talks about the degree. It's a follow-up to the comparison of argument 2. I don't deny that loans and degrees go hand-in-hand, but you're trying to separate something you used to compare and validate your point.





In short, I simply don't agree with your rigid viewpoint.




On September 16 2014 08:24 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 08:22 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Argument 3: "If you take out loans (that you can't repay) it is no one's fault but your own". It's about the loans.

I'm going to isolate this. Are you familiar with the oldschool wage slavery systems? You know, the ones with the company store? Are the debtors at fault for those loans as well? If not, how do you distinguish between legitimate debt and illegitimate debt?


All debt is legitimate by the collector. If you need to take out a loan to afford a degree but are then blamed for not choosing the ideal degree to pay back that loan (as fast as you could possible pay it back), then the whole purpose of going to university is self-defeating (if it means to only pay back that debt/to avoid blame for not paying back that debt faster).

I'm disagreeing with the perspective, not the rationale behind not being able to pay your debt back.
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 15 2014 23:27 GMT
#129809
On September 16 2014 08:26 tehh4ck3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 08:22 Acritter wrote:
Yeah. There was one extremely bullshit play where the Black Hole was canceled by the Eul's of the Death Prophet who was currently trapped in the Black Hole.

korok on rubick is doing a hell of a lot of work though


He sure as fuck is. What a player.

RTZ, on the other hand... what the fuck was he doing there? Trying to save the old man?
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
September 15 2014 23:28 GMT
#129810
On September 16 2014 08:22 Acritter wrote:
Yeah. There was one extremely bullshit play where the Black Hole was canceled by the Eul's of the Death Prophet who was currently trapped in the Black Hole.

how did this happen, i didnt understand when i saw it
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 23:32:50
September 15 2014 23:29 GMT
#129811
On September 16 2014 08:28 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 08:22 Acritter wrote:
Yeah. There was one extremely bullshit play where the Black Hole was canceled by the Eul's of the Death Prophet who was currently trapped in the Black Hole.

how did this happen, i didnt understand when i saw it

I think there's like a .1 second delay between Cyclone being cast and the target getting tossed up, and it was during that delay that Universe's cast went off.

I think EG should give more farm to PPD, though. Getting an AC on him would do so much work.

I MEAN A SECOND AC BECAUSE THAT'S LITERALLY SO GOOD + Show Spoiler +
fuckin' artour
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7066 Posts
September 15 2014 23:30 GMT
#129812
On September 16 2014 08:29 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 08:28 Targe wrote:
On September 16 2014 08:22 Acritter wrote:
Yeah. There was one extremely bullshit play where the Black Hole was canceled by the Eul's of the Death Prophet who was currently trapped in the Black Hole.

how did this happen, i didnt understand when i saw it

I think there's like a .1 second delay between Cyclone being cast and the target getting tossed up, and it was during that delay that Universe's cast went off.


delay due to ping also didn't help
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 23:34:00
September 15 2014 23:30 GMT
#129813
This is literally the worst discussion that's ever happened in GD. Maybe I'm bias because I work as a scholarship/grant manager for public universities so this topic is just about the last thing I want to read about on LD.


Sad to say but at this point, I'm hoping Qbek comes in with some doebutt or pony shit to break this cancer.

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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 15 2014 23:31 GMT
#129814
On September 16 2014 08:30 tehh4ck3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 08:29 Acritter wrote:
On September 16 2014 08:28 Targe wrote:
On September 16 2014 08:22 Acritter wrote:
Yeah. There was one extremely bullshit play where the Black Hole was canceled by the Eul's of the Death Prophet who was currently trapped in the Black Hole.

how did this happen, i didnt understand when i saw it

I think there's like a .1 second delay between Cyclone being cast and the target getting tossed up, and it was during that delay that Universe's cast went off.


delay due to ping also didn't help

The issue wasn't about play conditions, it was about game programming. There's something fishy going on if a hero caught in the most complete disable in the game can actively cancel it.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 15 2014 23:32 GMT
#129815
On September 16 2014 08:30 crms wrote:
This is literally the worst discussion that's ever happened in GD. Maybe I'm bias as I work as a scholarship/grant manager for public universities in the USA so it's just about the last thing I want to read about on LD.


At this point, I'm hoping Qbek comes in with some doebutt or pony shit to break this cancer.



it'll die when someone concedes, it's get too late for me to keep my eyes open (1:30 AM here) or people stop giving a shit.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 23:33:37
September 15 2014 23:33 GMT
#129816
i was sure i saw dp in the blackhole but then i saw euls so i assumed i imagine her being there in my tiredness

man dats bull

On September 16 2014 08:32 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 08:30 crms wrote:
This is literally the worst discussion that's ever happened in GD. Maybe I'm bias as I work as a scholarship/grant manager for public universities in the USA so it's just about the last thing I want to read about on LD.


At this point, I'm hoping Qbek comes in with some doebutt or pony shit to break this cancer.



it'll die when someone concedes, it's get too late for me to keep my eyes open (1:30 AM here) or people stop giving a shit.


i dont even know how long ive been awake
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 15 2014 23:34 GMT
#129817
oh lord there were three black holes used int hat fight

what's even happening
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
September 15 2014 23:35 GMT
#129818
On September 16 2014 08:30 crms wrote:
This is literally the worst discussion that's ever happened in GD. Maybe I'm bias because I work as a scholarship/grant manager for public universities so this topic is just about the last thing I want to read about on LD.


Sad to say but at this point, I'm hoping Qbek comes in with some doebutt or pony shit to break this cancer.


got your back bro
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This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7066 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 23:35:57
September 15 2014 23:35 GMT
#129819
dp is just such an annoying hero

she has a 56% winrate this patch



i wish we were back in 6.78 when people bitched about lifestealer and weaver

edit: this fountain diving tho
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
September 15 2014 23:36 GMT
#129820
On September 16 2014 08:35 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 08:30 crms wrote:
This is literally the worst discussion that's ever happened in GD. Maybe I'm bias because I work as a scholarship/grant manager for public universities so this topic is just about the last thing I want to read about on LD.


Sad to say but at this point, I'm hoping Qbek comes in with some doebutt or pony shit to break this cancer.


got your back bro
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man thats beautiful
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