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On September 16 2014 08:24 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2014 08:22 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Argument 3: "If you take out loans (that you can't repay) it is no one's fault but your own". It's about the loans.
I'm going to isolate this. Are you familiar with the oldschool wage slavery systems? You know, the ones with the company store? Are the debtors at fault for those loans as well? If not, how do you distinguish between legitimate debt and illegitimate debt?
Good question.
I'm only a little familiar with the old company store-style wage slavery stuff. And from what I know there are a lot of parallels; the big difference to me is that all the information to make good decisions is pretty easily available now. A student shouldn't be blindsided by the amount of debt they could incur as the costs are pretty transparent before anyone makes buying decisions. That being said, I can't really do a good comparison.
I do think the loan process is unethical. As I said, schools have financial incentives to secure loans for students who can't pay them back. The economic relationship between undergraduate students especially and their universities is an adversarial one much of the time. It's just that now the information necessary to avoid sticky situations is all out there and freely available.
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On September 16 2014 08:33 Targe wrote:i was sure i saw dp in the blackhole but then i saw euls so i assumed i imagine her being there in my tiredness man dats bull Show nested quote +On September 16 2014 08:32 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 16 2014 08:30 crms wrote:
This is literally the worst discussion that's ever happened in GD. Maybe I'm bias as I work as a scholarship/grant manager for public universities in the USA so it's just about the last thing I want to read about on LD.
At this point, I'm hoping Qbek comes in with some doebutt or pony shit to break this cancer.
it'll die when someone concedes, it's get too late for me to keep my eyes open (1:30 AM here) or people stop giving a shit. i dont even know how long ive been awake
I've been having trouble sleep this past 7 days. Strangely: Breakfast at Tiffany's is like a lullaby
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I thought people stopped bitching about Lifestealer when his Open Wounds range got lowered from 600.
Weaver was honestly fine, though. I mean, yes he was very strong, but at least he was kind of interesting.
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On September 16 2014 08:37 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2014 08:33 Targe wrote:i was sure i saw dp in the blackhole but then i saw euls so i assumed i imagine her being there in my tiredness man dats bull On September 16 2014 08:32 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 16 2014 08:30 crms wrote:
This is literally the worst discussion that's ever happened in GD. Maybe I'm bias as I work as a scholarship/grant manager for public universities in the USA so it's just about the last thing I want to read about on LD.
At this point, I'm hoping Qbek comes in with some doebutt or pony shit to break this cancer.
it'll die when someone concedes, it's get too late for me to keep my eyes open (1:30 AM here) or people stop giving a shit. i dont even know how long ive been awake I've been having trouble sleep this past 7 days. Strangely: Breakfast at Tiffany's is like a lullaby
NO SLEEP
srsly tho i dunno whats wrong with me i just dont bother to sleep atm
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I have a choice, I can eat ice cream or not
but if i do, i have to stay up and play more dota
is this good idea?
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On September 16 2014 08:37 Acritter wrote:
I thought people stopped bitching about Lifestealer when his Open Wounds range got lowered from 600.
Weaver was honestly fine, though. I mean, yes he was very strong, but at least he was kind of interesting.
people bitch about whatever heroes are at the top of the meta at any given time (alchemist, weaver, LS, mirana, naga, lycan, centaur, invoker just in the past year)
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On September 16 2014 08:39 Targe wrote:
I have a choice, I can eat ice cream or not
but if i do, i have to stay up and play more dota
is this good idea?
ice cream and dota
what's not to love
do it
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On September 16 2014 08:36 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2014 08:24 Acritter wrote:On September 16 2014 08:22 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Argument 3: "If you take out loans (that you can't repay) it is no one's fault but your own". It's about the loans.
I'm going to isolate this. Are you familiar with the oldschool wage slavery systems? You know, the ones with the company store? Are the debtors at fault for those loans as well? If not, how do you distinguish between legitimate debt and illegitimate debt? Good question. I'm only a little familiar with the old company store-style wage slavery stuff. And from what I know there are a lot of parallels; the big difference to me is that all the information to make good decisions is pretty easily available now. A student shouldn't be blindsided by the amount of debt they could incur as the costs are pretty transparent before anyone makes buying decisions. That being said, I can't really do a good comparison. I do think the loan process is unethical. As I said, schools have financial incentives to secure loans for students who can't pay them back. The economic relationship between undergraduate students especially and their universities is an adversarial one much of the time. It's just that now the information necessary to avoid sticky situations is all out there and freely available.
Thanks for answering it as well as you could. I don't really have a place I was going with it. I just thought it was an important subject, because if you can't draw a distinction you have to either outright endorse wage slavery or say that crippling debt is unacceptable on a whole.
There's another place you can go with being unable to discharge student debt via bankruptcy, but I think the topic's gone on long enough.
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On September 16 2014 08:26 Torte de Lini wrote:
In short, I simply don't agree with your rigid viewpoint.
What you're disagreeing with is not my viewpoint. You haven't understood it from the first.
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On September 16 2014 08:39 Targe wrote:
I have a choice, I can eat ice cream or not
but if i do, i have to stay up and play more dota
is this good idea?
it's probably the best idea you've ever had. It's so good that I think I'm going to do it myself.
Except I don't have any ice cream in my freezer. Fuck you, frozen vegetables. You're very disappointing right now.
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On September 16 2014 08:41 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2014 08:26 Torte de Lini wrote:
In short, I simply don't agree with your rigid viewpoint.
What you're disagreeing with is not my viewpoint. You haven't understood it from the first.
Really? Because I haven't seen otherwise. In fact, on other areas of your views, I've agreed on a personal level; but didn't find it fair to apply it to a general level.
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mods are asleep, post cheese pizza!
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On September 16 2014 08:44 Targe wrote:
mods are asleep, post cheese pizza!
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i would actually swap ice cream for vegetables right now..
ok boys overwhelming 2 points to 0 inf avour of ice cream, i will get bowl and post pics
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On September 16 2014 08:39 tehh4ck3r wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2014 08:37 Acritter wrote:
I thought people stopped bitching about Lifestealer when his Open Wounds range got lowered from 600.
Weaver was honestly fine, though. I mean, yes he was very strong, but at least he was kind of interesting. people bitch about whatever heroes are at the top of the meta at any given time (alchemist, weaver, LS, mirana, naga, lycan, centaur, invoker just in the past year)
Alchemist was only a little too strong. He was mostly just hilarious. It was great getting to watch the raid boss in action every game.
Naga was great for the meta as support, terrible as core. Thank goodness she's only rarely a thing.
Lycan is only an issue because Dire Lycan is way better than Radiant Lycan. Overpowered Wisp wasn't really an issue even up to the point of the TI3 finals.
Cent was amazing for the meta, but I think the nerf was appropriate, even so. He's just about perfect right now.
Invoker was only a pain with that dumb QW build. Much better now that it's back to QE.
You know who was a major fucking issue, even though he got hard countered by Razor? OD. That was a horrible thing for the meta, and thank goodness he's gone. At least we have some active mid heroes now.
Tree was also problematic when Living Armor was the best spell in the game. I think his Super Seed incarnation was mostly fine, though.
#critterpinions
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These ponies are borderline pornographic ergh
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On September 16 2014 07:46 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2014 07:37 LSB wrote:
Schools are aligning to the problem you identified. There is a glut of unpopular and useless degrees, in addition there is an oversupply of lawyers. Structural shifts in higher education are normal, in addition many school are adding economics, business, and computer science degrees.
In addition I fail to see how debt serviced by third parties has a to deal with income in higher education. Because student loans are guaranteed, colleges are incentivized to push as many loans as they can, regardless of the student's ability to pay back what they borrow. It's not just a structural shift; it's an actual contraction in the number of graduate seats available, which is more-or-less unprecedented in modern education. If you're interested (and there's no reason you should be) I recommend reading The New School by Glenn Reynolds.
You need to read less reddit and look up numbers yourself.
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On September 16 2014 08:46 Torte de Lini wrote:
These ponies are borderline pornographic ergh
someone hasnt spent enough time on the internet
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