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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 02 2014 20:30 GMT
#126941
On September 03 2014 05:13 andyrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 04:37 tehh4ck3r wrote:
On September 03 2014 04:02 andyrau wrote:
rubick needs a small buff to his lift cd
20+s is way too much
and I want the old aghs mechanic back

the new aghs upgrade is still really good though, CD reduction and range increase are awesome

well I was talking about the other mechanic where if you stole an aghs upgraded ult you'd have the same effect regardless of whether you have an aghs or not

reason being it's almost impossible to get an aghs as a support rubick anyways, you are always going to prioritize positioning items over such an expensive item

Rubick Aghs deserves a major buff. Like, 0 mc 0s cooldown at 16 or something absurd like that. It's not like the hero's broken right now, and there's no way that the buff would make the support too strong. It would just make him a really interesting situational mid, and would allow the hero to do what the backstory implies: stealing spells throughout the entirety of a fight, laying down more and more types of magic as it progresses. Right now, with the support Rubick, most of what happens is him stealing one really fucking good spell and abusing the everloving hell out of it, which is cool but not quite as cool.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
September 02 2014 20:38 GMT
#126942
On September 03 2014 05:23 Targe wrote:
damn so i faced a decent earth spirit and it makes me cringe to think how op he must have been when he had that insta stun

most fun iv ever had playing video games.
rip
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-02 20:39:05
September 02 2014 20:38 GMT
#126943
Maybe something where the cooldown on Spellsteal is determined by the cooldown of what you steal, with low CDs at 0s scaling up to 20-30s for things like Black Hole, RP or Chaotic Offering. So if you get Ravage, then great; you've got an awesome spell but you've got it for a bit. If you miss and get Anchor Smash, you use Anchor Smash and can immediately or almost immediately get something else. Not as an Agh's upgrade, either.
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dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
September 02 2014 20:41 GMT
#126944
that seems hilariously dumb and overpowered of an idea. rubick is fine where he is, just doesn't fit all too well into the current meta.
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
September 02 2014 20:43 GMT
#126945
0s cd on rubick might actually make him broken.

And i'm not usually one for aghs buffs doing anything at all.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
September 02 2014 20:45 GMT
#126946
that sounds over-complicated even for dota.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
September 02 2014 20:55 GMT
#126947
On September 03 2014 05:38 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 05:23 Targe wrote:
damn so i faced a decent earth spirit and it makes me cringe to think how op he must have been when he had that insta stun

most fun iv ever had playing video games.
rip

I really wish that I was better at him, but I'm exceptionally bad at pressing buttons in the correct order.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
ben_ballad
Profile Joined September 2014
United States11 Posts
September 02 2014 20:56 GMT
#126948
If you give 0s on rubick he can steal rp, use rp, steal an enemy spell, then steal rp again and rp's cooldown will be 0, making him a perma-stunner... not what icefrog is looking for.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 02 2014 20:59 GMT
#126949
On September 03 2014 05:56 ben_ballad wrote:
If you give 0s on rubick he can steal rp, use rp, steal an enemy spell, then steal rp again and rp's cooldown will be 0, making him a perma-stunner... not what icefrog is looking for.

You can just give him spell memory where all the spells he steals keep their cool downs. The zero second cool down sounds just amusing enough to be ok in my book.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 02 2014 21:00 GMT
#126950
Technically with aghs u could aready chain say bhole + chrono lol although tahts pretty unfeasible
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 02 2014 21:03 GMT
#126951
On September 03 2014 06:00 Sn0_Man wrote:
Technically with aghs u could aready chain say bhole + chrono lol although tahts pretty unfeasible

Well, not with Black Hole...can't exactly steal+cast a spell while channeling.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-02 21:10:15
September 02 2014 21:09 GMT
#126952
Well, okay there'd be very brief time space but rubick has a 0.1s cast point so the enemies would have .2s assuming rubick is in melee range of the void + enigma.

Like u chrono (level 16 w/aghs = 6s) then with 1s left u steal hole, hole on the end of chrono (4s), and then ur steal is off cd when hole ends so u re-steal chrono and cycle it.

Like i said this isn't feasible but it's more or less possible.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
September 02 2014 21:15 GMT
#126953
i saw you guys talking about PL and i'm just here to say that heros fucking awful now.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
September 02 2014 21:19 GMT
#126954
On September 03 2014 05:30 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 05:13 andyrau wrote:
On September 03 2014 04:37 tehh4ck3r wrote:
On September 03 2014 04:02 andyrau wrote:
rubick needs a small buff to his lift cd
20+s is way too much
and I want the old aghs mechanic back

the new aghs upgrade is still really good though, CD reduction and range increase are awesome

well I was talking about the other mechanic where if you stole an aghs upgraded ult you'd have the same effect regardless of whether you have an aghs or not

reason being it's almost impossible to get an aghs as a support rubick anyways, you are always going to prioritize positioning items over such an expensive item

Rubick Aghs deserves a major buff. Like, 0 mc 0s cooldown at 16 or something absurd like that. It's not like the hero's broken right now, and there's no way that the buff would make the support too strong. It would just make him a really interesting situational mid, and would allow the hero to do what the backstory implies: stealing spells throughout the entirety of a fight, laying down more and more types of magic as it progresses. Right now, with the support Rubick, most of what happens is him stealing one really fucking good spell and abusing the everloving hell out of it, which is cool but not quite as cool.

you're misunderstanding. I'm not saying they should remove rubicks aghs, I'm saying they should revert the change where you're unable to use stolen aghs ultimates without having scepter.

the aghs 5s CD on spellsteal (or whatever ridic CD) is already powerful enough of an upgrade to warrant getting the item after blink/force.
it wasn't necessary to remove the 'stolen upgraded ultimates' aspect before acquiring the item.
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
September 02 2014 21:20 GMT
#126955
So reddit complained enough and got the sign added as a regular ability for Techies. Now even more mind games to piss everyone in the game off use against your enemies.

Probably for the best, but not really sure why this was an issue in the first place.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
September 02 2014 21:23 GMT
#126956
because apparently it set a bad precedent aka
slippery slope fallacy because people fear hats
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-02 21:27:25
September 02 2014 21:25 GMT
#126957
On September 03 2014 06:20 LeLoup wrote:
So reddit complained enough and got the sign added as a regular ability for Techies. Now even more mind games to piss everyone in the game off use against your enemies.

Probably for the best, but not really sure why this was an issue in the first place.

People were upset about pay to lose and that other techies with more money could lose faster.

Yay: equality. #WeDidItReddit

On September 03 2014 06:23 Shaella wrote:
because apparently it set a bad precedent aka
slippery slope fallacy because people fear hats

The slippery slope fallacy is the worst argument in the world and everyone uses it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
September 02 2014 21:28 GMT
#126958
It's a legitimate concern, after all, you can't even tell anymore which hero is which.
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
September 02 2014 21:30 GMT
#126959
On September 03 2014 06:25 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 06:20 LeLoup wrote:
So reddit complained enough and got the sign added as a regular ability for Techies. Now even more mind games to piss everyone in the game off use against your enemies.

Probably for the best, but not really sure why this was an issue in the first place.

People were upset about pay to lose and that other techies with more money could lose faster.

Yay: equality. #WeDidItReddit

Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 06:23 Shaella wrote:
because apparently it set a bad precedent aka
slippery slope fallacy because people fear hats

The slippery slope fallacy is the worst argument in the world and everyone uses it.

compared to the intrusiveness of hats on gameplay we had a year ago the slippery slope argument seems sensible to me
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-02 21:31:13
September 02 2014 21:30 GMT
#126960
I dunno guys. Honestly that screenshot with the bear and Lycan is pretty misleading. I dunno if I could trust myself to be able to tell those two apart. When I first saw Beastmaster's cosmetic hawk fly around at first I thought it was a flying courier, because I didn't know he had summons cosmetics. The cosmetic pig looks pretty weird too, I don't think you can blame anyone for mistaking it with Lycan's wolf when encountering it for the first time. This obviously will probably happen to you only once and is not a big deal, but it does influence the game, which probably shouldn't happen.
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