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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-29 20:56:15
July 29 2014 20:54 GMT
#120361
On July 30 2014 05:46 cecek wrote:
The thing is, there are not that many setups that can run LoL, but can't run Dota 2. That's why I don't buy the argument that people in China still play WC3 DotA or LoL because of Dota 2's system requirements. Unless the majority of computers in China are in that narrow "can play LoL, can't play Dota" corridor, that just doesn't make a sense. It would make sense if Dota 2 wasn't actually popular in China, but everything apart from the actual amount of people playing (social network followers, stream viewers, etc.) point towards it being popular. I really want someone to explain that to me.

Bear in mind that gaming patterns in Asia are more focused around PC Bangs/LAN Cafes and not personal in-home usage. Which means there's a lot less variability in hardware for the gaming population. The distribution of hardware that people play games on isn't likely to be as uniform as it is in the West, but rather heavily centered around the quality of machines that LAN Cafe owners can afford to buy in large quantities.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if that line was drawn somewhere between where LoL and DotA 2 are.
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
July 29 2014 20:55 GMT
#120362
On July 30 2014 05:53 Logo wrote:
Where are the number of Chinese players coming from?

https://rjackson.me/tools/mmstats/
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Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-29 21:06:01
July 29 2014 21:00 GMT
#120363
On July 30 2014 05:55 tehh4ck3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 05:53 Logo wrote:
Where are the number of Chinese players coming from?

https://rjackson.me/tools/mmstats/


Am I missing something? I see the peak players searching for matches at 19k for China (13k PWTelecom 6k PWUnicom) which dwarfs other play regions like the US and it seems like # of players searching would grow slower than total # of players since the more players in the pool the more matches there are (and eventually the system's ability to create matches is the bottleneck over # of players).
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-29 21:05:57
July 29 2014 21:04 GMT
#120364
EUW+EUE reached 24K players in the past week (14k EUW and 10k EUE)
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
July 29 2014 21:08 GMT
#120365
On July 30 2014 06:00 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 05:55 tehh4ck3r wrote:
On July 30 2014 05:53 Logo wrote:
Where are the number of Chinese players coming from?

https://rjackson.me/tools/mmstats/


Am I missing something? I see the peak players searching for matches at 19k for China (13k PWTelecom 6k PWUnicom) which dwarfs the other play regions and it seems like # of players searching would grow slower than total # of players since the more players in the pool the more matches there are (and eventually the system's ability to create matches is the bottleneck over # of players).

Just look down at the graphs, put it on a whole day. EU west + EU east alone have more peak and average than the 2 chinese servers combined. But ZSMJ had 200k viewers on his stream tonight, and IceFrog has nearly a milion followers on qq. Basically China crushes West in terms of any measurement with Dota 2, except for actual players playing the game, where it's the opposite.

I guess it might just be the computers being terrible and in the spot where they just can't run Dota 2 properly.
super gg
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-29 21:16:19
July 29 2014 21:12 GMT
#120366
Idk still seems like the queueing data is sort of... iffy anyways. There's stuff like language preference, relative server speed, and other factors that could account for the numbers. Like if one region has faster matchmaking services their # of players waiting will represent a larger population for the same # of people waiting for a match.

Especially with something like EU's diverse language preferences. It'd be possible that more people wait the average queue time in EU because of languages where in China the volume is slowing down matching.
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
July 29 2014 21:20 GMT
#120367
Average wait time for EUW and EUE seems to be slightly lower than wait times for China, and they have more people searching.

The disparity in players might be due to something along the lines of Valve's internet cafe service only counting 1 unique player for the entire cafe or something like that
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 29 2014 21:27 GMT
#120368
this gigabyte challenge calendar onthe right just looks silly
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
July 29 2014 21:44 GMT
#120369
Jesus christ, after an intense slugfest of a game I find out that it was 4stack (only english I heard was when I took his medium camp stack) +me vs 5 stack.

No wonder skill levels sometimes are oddly not-matching and other team sometimes communicate oddly well (they didn't let me chase their NP without getting 5manned lol)
In the woods, there lurks..
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
July 29 2014 21:46 GMT
#120370
On July 30 2014 06:27 FinestHour wrote:
this gigabyte challenge calendar onthe right just looks silly

I dunno, im pretty hyped to see TBD take on TBD I think they had the best roster swaps post ti4 and are gonna comeback strong and make TBD look pretttttty silly.
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suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
July 29 2014 21:54 GMT
#120371
TBD is an overrated 5-stack, if you look at their games even with their new players, they still look incredibly weak compared to TBD and TBD.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
July 29 2014 22:17 GMT
#120372
i think TBA is better than TBD
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
July 29 2014 22:27 GMT
#120373
TBH TBA is totally overrated
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 29 2014 22:39 GMT
#120374
STOP
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
July 29 2014 22:40 GMT
#120375
They aren't playing dude
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3309 Posts
July 29 2014 22:40 GMT
#120376
On July 30 2014 07:27 Qbek wrote:
TBH TBA is totally overrated


That's why they invited TBD over TBA
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
July 29 2014 22:40 GMT
#120377
IMO i think u should stop fh TBH
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misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3309 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-29 22:50:03
July 29 2014 22:47 GMT
#120378
On July 30 2014 05:54 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 05:46 cecek wrote:
The thing is, there are not that many setups that can run LoL, but can't run Dota 2. That's why I don't buy the argument that people in China still play WC3 DotA or LoL because of Dota 2's system requirements. Unless the majority of computers in China are in that narrow "can play LoL, can't play Dota" corridor, that just doesn't make a sense. It would make sense if Dota 2 wasn't actually popular in China, but everything apart from the actual amount of people playing (social network followers, stream viewers, etc.) point towards it being popular. I really want someone to explain that to me.

Bear in mind that gaming patterns in Asia are more focused around PC Bangs/LAN Cafes and not personal in-home usage. Which means there's a lot less variability in hardware for the gaming population. The distribution of hardware that people play games on isn't likely to be as uniform as it is in the West, but rather heavily centered around the quality of machines that LAN Cafe owners can afford to buy in large quantities.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if that line was drawn somewhere between where LoL and DotA 2 are.


Well 1.6 was hailed the god of shooters even after source came out (and years after that). eventually it got replaced by cs:go and every player switched. DotA will eventually replace LoL as the true king.

If i get the time this weekend i'll install dota on my brother's computer and post results (dual something+2gb+8800gtx)
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
July 29 2014 22:50 GMT
#120379
On July 30 2014 07:40 misirlou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 07:27 Qbek wrote:
TBH TBA is totally overrated


That's why they invited TBD over TBA

omg check the liquipedia page scrub, TBA got invited (alongside other such prestigious teams like TBA and TBA

TBD is going through the quals, because they suck.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3309 Posts
July 29 2014 22:56 GMT
#120380
On July 30 2014 07:50 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 07:40 misirlou wrote:
On July 30 2014 07:27 Qbek wrote:
TBH TBA is totally overrated


That's why they invited TBD over TBA

omg check the liquipedia page scrub, TBA got invited (alongside other such prestigious teams like TBA and TBA

TBD is going through the quals, because they suck.


TBA and TBA got invited because they were too weak to make it through quals. TBD can make it easy unless they meet TBD early and they knock each other out. That probably won't happen because the whole thing is rigged for TBD to win
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