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Starladder is live with some games between zNation and KEITA.
Dunno about KEITA but I saw some games of zn this afternoon and they were quite good.
http://www.twitch.tv/starladder1
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On April 24 2012 04:20 Font wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 03:48 paper wrote:On April 24 2012 03:32 crms wrote:On April 24 2012 03:20 paper wrote:On April 24 2012 03:03 crms wrote:On April 24 2012 02:26 Durak wrote:On April 24 2012 02:04 crms wrote:
i wish morphling would stop attacking spectre in team fights first... he's basically killing his team with dispersion damage. Dispersion is obviously a significant ability but it wasn't the reason they were losing fights. It only does the full 22% in a 300 radius, which is very small, and on 1500hp that's only 300dmg. I think he was generally trying to get Enchantress first but Shadow Demon's disruption would force him to switch targets. The thing is, if he doesn't focus down Spectre then Spectre is going to deal a ton of damage. Spectre went vanguard, radiance, then diffusal so he had a lot of damage and only ~1500hp for the majority of the game. Morphling was trying to focus him down during the chain stuns of Beastmaster, Earthshaker, and Crystal Maiden so that they could then roll the fight but mTw played really well. it's 22% of damage taken in a 1000AOE (closer more, further less) basically anyone in the immediate fight. Morphling was hitting like a truck so ~22% of morphlings damage not only hitting himself (his auto attack is 350 which is very close to the max 22% range) but all of his team is extremely significant. I'm not sure why you're calculating spectre's HP for the damage. ...because spectre can only disperse so much damage, i.e. a percentage of her max hp? rofl I even checked playdota cause I couldn't remember full dispersion mechanics, they never mentioned it.  Notes • Damage type: pure • Reflected damage is not felt by Spectre, effectively reducing the incoming damage. • Illusions will not benefit from this ability. • Full damage is dealt in a 300 AoE around Spectre. • The damage dealt decreases linearly from a 300 distance to a 1000 distance from Spectre. • Will not disable Kelen's Dagger of Escape, Heart of Tarrasque and Tranquil Boots. I can't tell if you still don't understand basic math or not, so I'll explain: Spectre has 1000 HP. Morphling hits for 1000 damage. Spectre instantly dies while dispersing 220 damage, or 22% of her max HP. No more, no less. or Spectre has 1000 HP. Morphling hits for 333.333.... damage. Spectre dies in three hits while dispersing 73.333... damage three times, or 220 damage, or 22% of her max HP. I dont think you get how it works dis·perse/disˈpərs/ Verb: Distribute or spread over a wide area. Adjective: Denoting a phase dispersed in another phase, as in a colloid. Synonyms: dissipate - dispel - disband - spread - diffuse spectre dispels 22% damage... meaning he doesnt take it
Holy hell you actually came back
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Wait wait wait. Serious question now brought up by the English definition of the word "dispersion'.
I think the skill works in that EVERYONE within the 1k radius takes the dispersed damage and then a fraction of it depending on the distance. (22% if within 300 range; linearly less if farther). That isn't actually dispersing the total damage over the radius (different heroes): that's giving the full damage to all of the heroes at a reduced amount depending on distance.
Maybe the word dispersion can mean that? I think of it as diluting the source that is being dispersed.
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On April 24 2012 04:29 MrCon wrote:Starladder is live with some games between zNation and KEITA. Dunno about KEITA but I saw some game of zn this afternoon and they were quite good. http://www.twitch.tv/starladder1
I saw mtw playing them and quantic, both lost against them in the games I watched. Seems like a good team in scrims at least. Anyone know more? :<
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On April 24 2012 04:28 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 04:25 epoc wrote:
I don't understand why they would spend 3.7 million if there won't be viewers for the international 2? why wouldnt there be viewers?
Judging at how little viewers dota2 streams have there wont be viewers
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On April 24 2012 04:29 MrCon wrote:Starladder is live with some games between zNation and KEITA. Dunno about KEITA but I saw some games of zn this afternoon and they were quite good. http://www.twitch.tv/starladder1
keita is youboat (they got sponsored)
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konadora
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On April 24 2012 04:20 Font wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 03:48 paper wrote:On April 24 2012 03:32 crms wrote:On April 24 2012 03:20 paper wrote:On April 24 2012 03:03 crms wrote:On April 24 2012 02:26 Durak wrote:On April 24 2012 02:04 crms wrote:
i wish morphling would stop attacking spectre in team fights first... he's basically killing his team with dispersion damage. Dispersion is obviously a significant ability but it wasn't the reason they were losing fights. It only does the full 22% in a 300 radius, which is very small, and on 1500hp that's only 300dmg. I think he was generally trying to get Enchantress first but Shadow Demon's disruption would force him to switch targets. The thing is, if he doesn't focus down Spectre then Spectre is going to deal a ton of damage. Spectre went vanguard, radiance, then diffusal so he had a lot of damage and only ~1500hp for the majority of the game. Morphling was trying to focus him down during the chain stuns of Beastmaster, Earthshaker, and Crystal Maiden so that they could then roll the fight but mTw played really well. it's 22% of damage taken in a 1000AOE (closer more, further less) basically anyone in the immediate fight. Morphling was hitting like a truck so ~22% of morphlings damage not only hitting himself (his auto attack is 350 which is very close to the max 22% range) but all of his team is extremely significant. I'm not sure why you're calculating spectre's HP for the damage. ...because spectre can only disperse so much damage, i.e. a percentage of her max hp? rofl I even checked playdota cause I couldn't remember full dispersion mechanics, they never mentioned it. Notes • Damage type: pure • Reflected damage is not felt by Spectre, effectively reducing the incoming damage. • Illusions will not benefit from this ability. • Full damage is dealt in a 300 AoE around Spectre. • The damage dealt decreases linearly from a 300 distance to a 1000 distance from Spectre. • Will not disable Kelen's Dagger of Escape, Heart of Tarrasque and Tranquil Boots. I can't tell if you still don't understand basic math or not, so I'll explain: Spectre has 1000 HP. Morphling hits for 1000 damage. Spectre instantly dies while dispersing 220 damage, or 22% of her max HP. No more, no less. or Spectre has 1000 HP. Morphling hits for 333.333.... damage. Spectre dies in three hits while dispersing 73.333... damage three times, or 220 damage, or 22% of her max HP. I dont think you get how it works dis·perse/disˈpərs/ Verb: Distribute or spread over a wide area. Adjective: Denoting a phase dispersed in another phase, as in a colloid. Synonyms: dissipate - dispel - disband - spread - diffuse spectre dispels 22% damage... meaning he doesnt take it
how do you know this but not know who mangix is
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Now to simplify it, spectre has 1500 hp, and 22% of incoming damage is reduced, so technically Spectre's true hp is 1830. Now, i have no idea how dispersion interacts with Damage/magic resistance/armor/vanguard/pure damage, but keeping it simple, if spectre takes 1830 damage, she will reflect a maximum of 402.6 damage to people within a 300 radius, and less damage to people further away from it. For kicks, let's assume 2.5 heroes take max damage, and 2.5 heroes takes 50% of the dispersion damage. In that case, the total damage the team takes is 1509.75 damage from dispersion alone.
Or in other words, don't let the game reach the point where spectre becomes this tanky.
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On April 24 2012 04:35 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 04:20 Font wrote:On April 24 2012 03:48 paper wrote:On April 24 2012 03:32 crms wrote:On April 24 2012 03:20 paper wrote:On April 24 2012 03:03 crms wrote:On April 24 2012 02:26 Durak wrote:On April 24 2012 02:04 crms wrote:
i wish morphling would stop attacking spectre in team fights first... he's basically killing his team with dispersion damage. Dispersion is obviously a significant ability but it wasn't the reason they were losing fights. It only does the full 22% in a 300 radius, which is very small, and on 1500hp that's only 300dmg. I think he was generally trying to get Enchantress first but Shadow Demon's disruption would force him to switch targets. The thing is, if he doesn't focus down Spectre then Spectre is going to deal a ton of damage. Spectre went vanguard, radiance, then diffusal so he had a lot of damage and only ~1500hp for the majority of the game. Morphling was trying to focus him down during the chain stuns of Beastmaster, Earthshaker, and Crystal Maiden so that they could then roll the fight but mTw played really well. it's 22% of damage taken in a 1000AOE (closer more, further less) basically anyone in the immediate fight. Morphling was hitting like a truck so ~22% of morphlings damage not only hitting himself (his auto attack is 350 which is very close to the max 22% range) but all of his team is extremely significant. I'm not sure why you're calculating spectre's HP for the damage. ...because spectre can only disperse so much damage, i.e. a percentage of her max hp? rofl I even checked playdota cause I couldn't remember full dispersion mechanics, they never mentioned it. Notes • Damage type: pure • Reflected damage is not felt by Spectre, effectively reducing the incoming damage. • Illusions will not benefit from this ability. • Full damage is dealt in a 300 AoE around Spectre. • The damage dealt decreases linearly from a 300 distance to a 1000 distance from Spectre. • Will not disable Kelen's Dagger of Escape, Heart of Tarrasque and Tranquil Boots. I can't tell if you still don't understand basic math or not, so I'll explain: Spectre has 1000 HP. Morphling hits for 1000 damage. Spectre instantly dies while dispersing 220 damage, or 22% of her max HP. No more, no less. or Spectre has 1000 HP. Morphling hits for 333.333.... damage. Spectre dies in three hits while dispersing 73.333... damage three times, or 220 damage, or 22% of her max HP. I dont think you get how it works dis·perse/disˈpərs/ Verb: Distribute or spread over a wide area. Adjective: Denoting a phase dispersed in another phase, as in a colloid. Synonyms: dissipate - dispel - disband - spread - diffuse spectre dispels 22% damage... meaning he doesnt take it how do you know this but not know who mangix is
this is how Font rolling :D :D
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konadora
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On April 24 2012 04:35 Comeh wrote:
Now to simplify it, spectre has 1500 hp, and 22% of incoming damage is reduced, so technically Spectre's true hp is 1830. Now, i have no idea how dispersion interacts with Damage/magic resistance/armor/vanguard/pure damage, but keeping it simple, if spectre takes 1830 damage, she will reflect a maximum of 402.6 damage to people within a 300 radius, and less damage to people further away from it. For kicks, let's assume 2.5 heroes take max damage, and 2.5 heroes takes 50% of the dispersion damage. In that case, the total damage the team takes is 1509.75 damage from dispersion alone.
Or in other words, don't let the game reach the point where spectre becomes this tanky.
dispersion damage is dispersed after taking into account damage reduction, and then dispersed as pure damage
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Why are we arguing this stuff. Dispersion makes you take damage when you do damage to Spectre, EoD.
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On April 24 2012 04:30 Durak wrote:
Wait wait wait. Serious question now brought up by the English definition of the word "dispersion'.
I think the skill works in that EVERYONE within the 1k radius takes the dispersed damage and then a fraction of it depending on the distance. (22% if within 300 range; linearly less if farther). That isn't actually dispersing the total damage over the radius (different heroes): that's giving the full damage to all of the heroes at a reduced amount depending on distance.
Maybe the word dispersion can mean that? I think of it as diluting the source that is being dispersed.
Well it's changing radially but not in any other direction so I think dispersion the definition fits fine here. It's just in real life situations things do change in other directions so this doesn't really apply. I'm not quite sure what you asking really .
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On April 24 2012 04:33 mdma-_- wrote:keita is youboat (they got sponsored)
Dat game <3
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On April 24 2012 04:37 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 04:35 Comeh wrote:
Now to simplify it, spectre has 1500 hp, and 22% of incoming damage is reduced, so technically Spectre's true hp is 1830. Now, i have no idea how dispersion interacts with Damage/magic resistance/armor/vanguard/pure damage, but keeping it simple, if spectre takes 1830 damage, she will reflect a maximum of 402.6 damage to people within a 300 radius, and less damage to people further away from it. For kicks, let's assume 2.5 heroes take max damage, and 2.5 heroes takes 50% of the dispersion damage. In that case, the total damage the team takes is 1509.75 damage from dispersion alone.
Or in other words, don't let the game reach the point where spectre becomes this tanky. dispersion damage is dispersed after taking into account damage reduction, and then dispersed as pure damage
So, essentially, dispersion comes into effect after armor + vanguard is taken into account, and then calculated?
Ie, in the case of pure damage hitting her - it won't be reduced by anything but dispersion.
So tanky.
O.O
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On April 24 2012 04:35 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 04:20 Font wrote:On April 24 2012 03:48 paper wrote:On April 24 2012 03:32 crms wrote:On April 24 2012 03:20 paper wrote:On April 24 2012 03:03 crms wrote:On April 24 2012 02:26 Durak wrote:On April 24 2012 02:04 crms wrote:
i wish morphling would stop attacking spectre in team fights first... he's basically killing his team with dispersion damage. Dispersion is obviously a significant ability but it wasn't the reason they were losing fights. It only does the full 22% in a 300 radius, which is very small, and on 1500hp that's only 300dmg. I think he was generally trying to get Enchantress first but Shadow Demon's disruption would force him to switch targets. The thing is, if he doesn't focus down Spectre then Spectre is going to deal a ton of damage. Spectre went vanguard, radiance, then diffusal so he had a lot of damage and only ~1500hp for the majority of the game. Morphling was trying to focus him down during the chain stuns of Beastmaster, Earthshaker, and Crystal Maiden so that they could then roll the fight but mTw played really well. it's 22% of damage taken in a 1000AOE (closer more, further less) basically anyone in the immediate fight. Morphling was hitting like a truck so ~22% of morphlings damage not only hitting himself (his auto attack is 350 which is very close to the max 22% range) but all of his team is extremely significant. I'm not sure why you're calculating spectre's HP for the damage. ...because spectre can only disperse so much damage, i.e. a percentage of her max hp? rofl I even checked playdota cause I couldn't remember full dispersion mechanics, they never mentioned it. Notes • Damage type: pure • Reflected damage is not felt by Spectre, effectively reducing the incoming damage. • Illusions will not benefit from this ability. • Full damage is dealt in a 300 AoE around Spectre. • The damage dealt decreases linearly from a 300 distance to a 1000 distance from Spectre. • Will not disable Kelen's Dagger of Escape, Heart of Tarrasque and Tranquil Boots. I can't tell if you still don't understand basic math or not, so I'll explain: Spectre has 1000 HP. Morphling hits for 1000 damage. Spectre instantly dies while dispersing 220 damage, or 22% of her max HP. No more, no less. or Spectre has 1000 HP. Morphling hits for 333.333.... damage. Spectre dies in three hits while dispersing 73.333... damage three times, or 220 damage, or 22% of her max HP. I dont think you get how it works dis·perse/disˈpərs/ Verb: Distribute or spread over a wide area. Adjective: Denoting a phase dispersed in another phase, as in a colloid. Synonyms: dissipate - dispel - disband - spread - diffuse spectre dispels 22% damage... meaning he doesnt take it how do you know this but not know who mangix is
Just don't call spectre mercurial and it's cool. Hahaha.
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On April 24 2012 04:56 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 04:35 konadora wrote:On April 24 2012 04:20 Font wrote:On April 24 2012 03:48 paper wrote:On April 24 2012 03:32 crms wrote:On April 24 2012 03:20 paper wrote:On April 24 2012 03:03 crms wrote:On April 24 2012 02:26 Durak wrote:On April 24 2012 02:04 crms wrote:
i wish morphling would stop attacking spectre in team fights first... he's basically killing his team with dispersion damage. Dispersion is obviously a significant ability but it wasn't the reason they were losing fights. It only does the full 22% in a 300 radius, which is very small, and on 1500hp that's only 300dmg. I think he was generally trying to get Enchantress first but Shadow Demon's disruption would force him to switch targets. The thing is, if he doesn't focus down Spectre then Spectre is going to deal a ton of damage. Spectre went vanguard, radiance, then diffusal so he had a lot of damage and only ~1500hp for the majority of the game. Morphling was trying to focus him down during the chain stuns of Beastmaster, Earthshaker, and Crystal Maiden so that they could then roll the fight but mTw played really well. it's 22% of damage taken in a 1000AOE (closer more, further less) basically anyone in the immediate fight. Morphling was hitting like a truck so ~22% of morphlings damage not only hitting himself (his auto attack is 350 which is very close to the max 22% range) but all of his team is extremely significant. I'm not sure why you're calculating spectre's HP for the damage. ...because spectre can only disperse so much damage, i.e. a percentage of her max hp? rofl I even checked playdota cause I couldn't remember full dispersion mechanics, they never mentioned it. Notes • Damage type: pure • Reflected damage is not felt by Spectre, effectively reducing the incoming damage. • Illusions will not benefit from this ability. • Full damage is dealt in a 300 AoE around Spectre. • The damage dealt decreases linearly from a 300 distance to a 1000 distance from Spectre. • Will not disable Kelen's Dagger of Escape, Heart of Tarrasque and Tranquil Boots. I can't tell if you still don't understand basic math or not, so I'll explain: Spectre has 1000 HP. Morphling hits for 1000 damage. Spectre instantly dies while dispersing 220 damage, or 22% of her max HP. No more, no less. or Spectre has 1000 HP. Morphling hits for 333.333.... damage. Spectre dies in three hits while dispersing 73.333... damage three times, or 220 damage, or 22% of her max HP. I dont think you get how it works dis·perse/disˈpərs/ Verb: Distribute or spread over a wide area. Adjective: Denoting a phase dispersed in another phase, as in a colloid. Synonyms: dissipate - dispel - disband - spread - diffuse spectre dispels 22% damage... meaning he doesnt take it how do you know this but not know who mangix is Just don't call spectre mercurial and it's cool. Hahaha.
I'm feeling like droping some random "lol" names like Moghul Khan, Alleria, Kelthu Zad, Anub'Arak, Anub'Seran, Azgalor and maybe Shendelzare too :D
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On April 24 2012 05:06 Qbek wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 04:56 Unleashing wrote:On April 24 2012 04:35 konadora wrote:On April 24 2012 04:20 Font wrote:On April 24 2012 03:48 paper wrote:On April 24 2012 03:32 crms wrote:On April 24 2012 03:20 paper wrote:On April 24 2012 03:03 crms wrote:On April 24 2012 02:26 Durak wrote:On April 24 2012 02:04 crms wrote:
i wish morphling would stop attacking spectre in team fights first... he's basically killing his team with dispersion damage. Dispersion is obviously a significant ability but it wasn't the reason they were losing fights. It only does the full 22% in a 300 radius, which is very small, and on 1500hp that's only 300dmg. I think he was generally trying to get Enchantress first but Shadow Demon's disruption would force him to switch targets. The thing is, if he doesn't focus down Spectre then Spectre is going to deal a ton of damage. Spectre went vanguard, radiance, then diffusal so he had a lot of damage and only ~1500hp for the majority of the game. Morphling was trying to focus him down during the chain stuns of Beastmaster, Earthshaker, and Crystal Maiden so that they could then roll the fight but mTw played really well. it's 22% of damage taken in a 1000AOE (closer more, further less) basically anyone in the immediate fight. Morphling was hitting like a truck so ~22% of morphlings damage not only hitting himself (his auto attack is 350 which is very close to the max 22% range) but all of his team is extremely significant. I'm not sure why you're calculating spectre's HP for the damage. ...because spectre can only disperse so much damage, i.e. a percentage of her max hp? rofl I even checked playdota cause I couldn't remember full dispersion mechanics, they never mentioned it. Notes • Damage type: pure • Reflected damage is not felt by Spectre, effectively reducing the incoming damage. • Illusions will not benefit from this ability. • Full damage is dealt in a 300 AoE around Spectre. • The damage dealt decreases linearly from a 300 distance to a 1000 distance from Spectre. • Will not disable Kelen's Dagger of Escape, Heart of Tarrasque and Tranquil Boots. I can't tell if you still don't understand basic math or not, so I'll explain: Spectre has 1000 HP. Morphling hits for 1000 damage. Spectre instantly dies while dispersing 220 damage, or 22% of her max HP. No more, no less. or Spectre has 1000 HP. Morphling hits for 333.333.... damage. Spectre dies in three hits while dispersing 73.333... damage three times, or 220 damage, or 22% of her max HP. I dont think you get how it works dis·perse/disˈpərs/ Verb: Distribute or spread over a wide area. Adjective: Denoting a phase dispersed in another phase, as in a colloid. Synonyms: dissipate - dispel - disband - spread - diffuse spectre dispels 22% damage... meaning he doesnt take it how do you know this but not know who mangix is Just don't call spectre mercurial and it's cool. Hahaha. I'm feeling like droping some random "lol" names like Moghul Khan, Alleria, Kelthu Zad, Anub'Arak, Anub'Seran, Azgalor and maybe Shendelzare too :D
Let's go for some of the really odd ones:
Azgalor, Jah'rakal, Lesale, Ish'kafel, Rotund'jere, Aiushtha
God i feel like such a nerd for knowing them all by heart by now.
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actually heroes are known in different names depend on what language community you are playing in. Currently you are in the english one, they call heroes differently in russian as well as in chinese and SEA langs. There are slangs for each heroes in the hardcore community as well.
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On April 24 2012 05:17 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 05:06 Qbek wrote:On April 24 2012 04:56 Unleashing wrote:On April 24 2012 04:35 konadora wrote:On April 24 2012 04:20 Font wrote:On April 24 2012 03:48 paper wrote:On April 24 2012 03:32 crms wrote:On April 24 2012 03:20 paper wrote:On April 24 2012 03:03 crms wrote:On April 24 2012 02:26 Durak wrote:
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Dispersion is obviously a significant ability but it wasn't the reason they were losing fights. It only does the full 22% in a 300 radius, which is very small, and on 1500hp that's only 300dmg.
I think he was generally trying to get Enchantress first but Shadow Demon's disruption would force him to switch targets. The thing is, if he doesn't focus down Spectre then Spectre is going to deal a ton of damage. Spectre went vanguard, radiance, then diffusal so he had a lot of damage and only ~1500hp for the majority of the game. Morphling was trying to focus him down during the chain stuns of Beastmaster, Earthshaker, and Crystal Maiden so that they could then roll the fight but mTw played really well. it's 22% of damage taken in a 1000AOE (closer more, further less) basically anyone in the immediate fight. Morphling was hitting like a truck so ~22% of morphlings damage not only hitting himself (his auto attack is 350 which is very close to the max 22% range) but all of his team is extremely significant. I'm not sure why you're calculating spectre's HP for the damage. ...because spectre can only disperse so much damage, i.e. a percentage of her max hp? rofl I even checked playdota cause I couldn't remember full dispersion mechanics, they never mentioned it. Notes • Damage type: pure • Reflected damage is not felt by Spectre, effectively reducing the incoming damage. • Illusions will not benefit from this ability. • Full damage is dealt in a 300 AoE around Spectre. • The damage dealt decreases linearly from a 300 distance to a 1000 distance from Spectre. • Will not disable Kelen's Dagger of Escape, Heart of Tarrasque and Tranquil Boots. I can't tell if you still don't understand basic math or not, so I'll explain: Spectre has 1000 HP. Morphling hits for 1000 damage. Spectre instantly dies while dispersing 220 damage, or 22% of her max HP. No more, no less. or Spectre has 1000 HP. Morphling hits for 333.333.... damage. Spectre dies in three hits while dispersing 73.333... damage three times, or 220 damage, or 22% of her max HP. I dont think you get how it works dis·perse/disˈpərs/ Verb: Distribute or spread over a wide area. Adjective: Denoting a phase dispersed in another phase, as in a colloid. Synonyms: dissipate - dispel - disband - spread - diffuse spectre dispels 22% damage... meaning he doesnt take it how do you know this but not know who mangix is Just don't call spectre mercurial and it's cool. Hahaha. I'm feeling like droping some random "lol" names like Moghul Khan, Alleria, Kelthu Zad, Anub'Arak, Anub'Seran, Azgalor and maybe Shendelzare too :D Let's go for some of the really odd ones: Azgalor, Jah'rakal, Lesale, Ish'kafel, Rotund'jere, Aiushtha God i feel like such a nerd for knowing them all by heart by now.
Didn't remember Jah'Rakhal, but I didn't play that many games with him anyways. Troll wasn't my favourite really.
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