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On April 23 2012 03:13 cilinder007 wrote:
tryhard doesnt mean that they tried hard to win, it means the won in a way that the opponent had no way to do anything against, aka. 5 man stack with TS/vent using a trilane and good hero lineup, like the pub opponents have literaly no way do do anything against it....
Anytime you lose in a game of dota its because they played better than you. Whether it was during the picking stage or in the game itself. There is always a way to win and if you have an attitude like that you will never get any better.
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On April 23 2012 03:21 Spicy_Curry wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 03:13 cilinder007 wrote:
tryhard doesnt mean that they tried hard to win, it means the won in a way that the opponent had no way to do anything against, aka. 5 man stack with TS/vent using a trilane and good hero lineup, like the pub opponents have literaly no way do do anything against it.... Anytime you lose in a game of dota its because they played better than you. Whether it was during the picking stage or in the game itself. There is always a way to win and if you have an attitude like that you will never get any better.
Please show me a game where you lead a bunch of random players (who might oppose your ideas) to victory against 5 guys playing together.
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I am like 95% sure the game will never match 5 soloers against a 5 man stack. Maybe groups of 3 and 2 or 4 and 1.
And how is it their fault in any way if it does match up like that? They queued as 5, have no control over who they want to queue into, and they want to play the game properly. It's not their fault their opponents are unwilling to do the same or that the matchmaking system is broken.
The thing that boggles my mind is these players who insult people with "tryhard" or say "it's a pub who cares" are almost always the same players that get most upset at a loss and start flaming their own team/other team when losing.
It's nothing but unjustified crying.
The sooner people realize the best way to win more games is to look at what you yourself did and seek to improve rather than pulling out every dumbfuck excuse possible to try to justify the loss the sooner DotA can shed its worst online community reputation.
Yeah there are some games where you do everything in your power to win but for every one of those there are 10 where you could improve your play. Flaming, raging, excuse-making helps absolutely nothing.
I understand the rage/disappointment at losing (and I succumb to it at times too) but people seriously need to grow up and realize it brings nothing but negatives when they act up.
Unless of course you lose a game like this:
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Then it's totally justified to go berserk that one time  .
Well my post completely derailed into a rant about everything wrong with the community but the "tryhard" excuse definitely contributes to it!
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Think of it this way. If you have a 5 man stack, queue for CM mode. That mode is ideally made for 5 man play. However, many of these stacks prefer to go AP mode. There IS control over the queue but most of them just want an easy win or just bully the opponents.
Well of course they will have better teamwork and hero picks leading them to be the better team and get their win. However, that does not mean it was a fun experience for the losing side. Many people complain of cheese in SC2 and although people play for the win, tryharding simply means winning with cheap tactics imo.
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On April 23 2012 03:32 Curu wrote:I am like 95% sure the game will never match 5 soloers against a 5 man stack. Maybe groups of 3 and 2 or 4 and 1. And how is it their fault in any way if it does match up like that? They queued as 5, have no control over who they want to queue into, and they want to play the game properly. It's not their fault their opponents are unwilling to do the same or that the matchmaking system is broken. The thing that boggles my mind is these players who insult people with "tryhard" or say "it's a pub who cares" are almost always the same players that get most upset at a loss and start flaming their own team/other team when losing. It's nothing but unjustified crying. The sooner people realize the best way to win more games is to look at what you yourself did and seek to improve rather than pulling out every dumbfuck excuse possible to try to justify the loss the sooner DotA can shed its worst online community reputation. Yeah there are some games where you do everything in your power to win but for every one of those there are 10 where you could improve your play. Flaming, raging, excuse-making helps absolutely nothing. I understand the rage/disappointment at losing (and I succumb to it at times too) but people seriously need to grow up and realize it brings nothing but negatives when they act up. Unless of course you lose a game like this: Then it's totally justified to go berserk that one time . Well my post completely derailed into a rant about everything wrong with the community but the "tryhard" excuse definitely contributes to it!
No, the best way to win is to play as 5 so you don't get moron noobs on your team. DOTA only has the worst online community because it's such a team based game and 90% of the community doesn't care to learn how to play as a team.
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I don't know about you SupLilSon, but I noticed that as my MMR grew (I'm guessing it did since I went from -5 wins to +17 wins), people are more concerned about picking what the team needs in response to the few people who auto lock it. It usually leads too good games actually. Of course, there will always be games where your teammates are completely retarded, but I'm seeing less and less of those instances.
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I swear to god, tryhard is the most obnoxious term I've ever heard
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I don't like waiting for counterpick since it doesn't really matter at my level. But i smash dat random button so hard.
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I use tryhard as a warning for my team, so they know we are dealing with roamers and well organized ganks. Using it as an insult is pure idiocy.
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Yeah and I bet you're just a DotA superstar aren't you? Always weighed down by your team right?
The matchmaking system exists for a reason. For every "moron" on your team there is one on the enemy team. All you can do is play better. Yelling in chat the whole game or pouting like an angry kid isn't going to do jack shit. If you notice someone on your team doing something wrong is it so hard to tell them how to do it right without sounding like an angry tourettes douchenozzle?
And if you're constantly playing with "morons" then you probably belong in the same skill level with them. So many people believe they are super high rated players who are only at the level they are because they always get matched up with bad teammates.
How many times in these types of games have you heard the phrase "I'm at xxxx MMR but I should be xxxx+500, I always get bad teammates."
DotA has the worst online community because so many people playing it act like egotistical deluded assholes. Everyone thinks they are a superstar who is perfect at the game so it must always be the teammates faults.
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The matchmaking system exists for a reason. For every "moron" on your team there is one on the enemy team. All you can do is play better. Yelling in chat the whole game or pouting like an angry kid isn't going to do jack shit. If you notice someone on your team doing something wrong is it so hard to tell them how to do it right without sounding like an angry tourettes douchenozzle?
Because even if you write like 'Hey mate, I notice your play is overall good, but I noticed something that you could improve...' They almost exclusively answer 'lol stfu noob' or are russian.
And if you're constantly playing with "morons" then you probably belong in the same skill level with them. So many people believe they are super high rated players who are only at the level they are because they always get matched up with bad teammates.
Yeah many people believe that they are better than they really are, but there are just as many that are way better than their teammates, yet still constantly get matched with them.
DotA has the worst online community because so many people playing it act like egotistical deluded assholes. Everyone thinks they are a superstar who is perfect at the game so it must always be the teammates faults .
DotA has a bad community because you force people that have never met before to play as a team. This leads to differences in skill and expectations people have towards their teammates. This leads to arguing and hating.
Also I don't think DotA has the worst community, but a normal one. You don't really believe that sc2 4v4 has better manners than DotA, right?
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There are 50k people on... I think that's a new record?
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On April 23 2012 03:50 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 03:32 Curu wrote:I am like 95% sure the game will never match 5 soloers against a 5 man stack. Maybe groups of 3 and 2 or 4 and 1. And how is it their fault in any way if it does match up like that? They queued as 5, have no control over who they want to queue into, and they want to play the game properly. It's not their fault their opponents are unwilling to do the same or that the matchmaking system is broken. The thing that boggles my mind is these players who insult people with "tryhard" or say "it's a pub who cares" are almost always the same players that get most upset at a loss and start flaming their own team/other team when losing. It's nothing but unjustified crying. The sooner people realize the best way to win more games is to look at what you yourself did and seek to improve rather than pulling out every dumbfuck excuse possible to try to justify the loss the sooner DotA can shed its worst online community reputation. Yeah there are some games where you do everything in your power to win but for every one of those there are 10 where you could improve your play. Flaming, raging, excuse-making helps absolutely nothing. I understand the rage/disappointment at losing (and I succumb to it at times too) but people seriously need to grow up and realize it brings nothing but negatives when they act up. Unless of course you lose a game like this: Then it's totally justified to go berserk that one time . Well my post completely derailed into a rant about everything wrong with the community but the "tryhard" excuse definitely contributes to it! No, the best way to win is to play as 5 so you don't get moron noobs on your team. DOTA only has the worst online community because it's such a team based game and 90% of the community doesn't care to learn how to play as a team.
No, it's because of people like you who think everyone besides the people you know are bad at this game and are quick to blame anything that goes awry on the rest of your team.
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On April 23 2012 04:17 Xiron wrote:Show nested quote +DotA has the worst online community because so many people playing it act like egotistical deluded assholes. Everyone thinks they are a superstar who is perfect at the game so it must always be the teammates faults . DotA has a bad community because you force people that have never met before to play as a team. This leads to differences in skill and expectations people have towards their teammates. This leads to arguing and hating. Also I don't think DotA has the worst community, but a normal one. You don't really believe that sc2 4v4 has better manners than DotA, right?
SC2 is not built around team games (4v4) hence the comparison does not work that well. DotA on the other hand is built as a team game and it would be more appropriate to compare it to a game like Counter Strike and others of the same genre which generates about the same amount of internet rage as DotA or LoL. Playing a team game with a random team will lead to random results, if you don't want to have random results then you play with a built team. Playing pub games is absolutely awful for any team game as the problem is not with the rage and stupidity but the randomness of having a large array of people with differing personalities, you can play with decent people one game and then play with absolute retards the next and that is just not optimal. If you can handle the randomness then good for you, enjoy the cesspit of randomness but some people like consistency with their games and depending on random people does not typically work all the time.
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On April 23 2012 04:02 Curu wrote:
Yeah and I bet you're just a DotA superstar aren't you? Always weighed down by your team right?
The matchmaking system exists for a reason. For every "moron" on your team there is one on the enemy team. All you can do is play better. Yelling in chat the whole game or pouting like an angry kid isn't going to do jack shit. If you notice someone on your team doing something wrong is it so hard to tell them how to do it right without sounding like an angry tourettes douchenozzle?
And if you're constantly playing with "morons" then you probably belong in the same skill level with them. So many people believe they are super high rated players who are only at the level they are because they always get matched up with bad teammates.
How many times in these types of games have you heard the phrase "I'm at xxxx MMR but I should be xxxx+500, I always get bad teammates."
DotA has the worst online community because so many people playing it act like egotistical deluded assholes. Everyone thinks they are a superstar who is perfect at the game so it must always be the teammates faults.
1. never heard that phrase (in d2 atleast..)
2. still might be true kinda often. mmr is weak and weird and has a rather small playerpool. this will surely change after this goes open tho.
3. dota has the worst community for many reasons. low age,that it is and was "free", how easy it is (maybe not to play well but rts controls with 1 unit evry 6 year old can understand), the basic idea of a RPG in a shell ->(get levels/items, be stronger then others thx to that,kill them), the big time investment in evry game while 1 person can totally destroy any fun in it and much more.
ive seen the dota community from the early days and till today it hasnt changed even a little bit. and i doubt it will change in the future.
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Most people don't realize just how bad they are and need to be humbled. One of my friend rages all the time and then I queue with him and he ends up feeding massively except then he has no one to blame because he knows everyone in the game is better than him.
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On April 23 2012 03:13 cilinder007 wrote:
tryhard doesnt mean that they tried hard to win, it means the won in a way that the opponent had no way to do anything against, aka. 5 man stack with TS/vent using a trilane and good hero lineup, like the pub opponents have literaly no way do do anything against it....
I've been called tryhard for warding so... yeah... most people use it in a stupid way.
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On April 23 2012 03:23 ChrisXIV wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 03:21 Spicy_Curry wrote:On April 23 2012 03:13 cilinder007 wrote:
tryhard doesnt mean that they tried hard to win, it means the won in a way that the opponent had no way to do anything against, aka. 5 man stack with TS/vent using a trilane and good hero lineup, like the pub opponents have literaly no way do do anything against it.... Anytime you lose in a game of dota its because they played better than you. Whether it was during the picking stage or in the game itself. There is always a way to win and if you have an attitude like that you will never get any better. Please show me a game where you lead a bunch of random players (who might oppose your ideas) to victory against 5 guys playing together.
I can show you a game but you arent going to listen anyway so whats the point. You are quick to blame the other team OR your own team for your loss instead of recognizing the mistakes that you made which contributed to the loss.
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I play with 4 friends right now and we queue for AP. The difference is out of these 4 people, 2 of them have never played dota (or any 'MOBA') until 3 days ago and the other 2 haven't played in 3 years. My MMR must be in the shitters.
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