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On April 23 2012 15:45 Thraxis wrote:
Is there any place with a focus on improving? I've been looking at TL Inhouse and checking other communities to try and find a place to really group up with a few people pretty much every night without the focus being on purely winning, and I have yet to find something that fits my taste. I'm closing in on 400 games played (350 with pretty much an even split due to helping out new friends with the game and then going on losing streaks lately as I try to expand my play all together) and I just can't imagine there isn't something like SC2's Masters level practice partner threads.
"SC2's Masters level practice partner threads" don't really work because it's not 1v1, but 5v5 you need to play.
That's what scrims are used for, you find 4 people you play with and you find 5 others around your skill level more or less and you play and draft against eachother.
That's the way most people improve in DotA.
Edit: Also apparently sing sing is the highest ranked person in the ranking system, according to tobi after he visited valve. That would explain his 10~20 minute queues even with his viewers-stacks.
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I understand that, but there seems little effort to organize scrims that are meant to really match that kind of thing up. I know it's very subjective, as you could get groups who are better at different things (pushing, early/late game, gank teams, ect) so "skill" is very subjective. I'm just seeing if anyone knows of a place where something, anything, like what I'm asking for is happening and I just can't really see it. I only have about 5 gamer friends with keys all together, we all work at different times, are from different time zones, and are at different skill and understanding levels. So getting together with all 5 and doing scrims is rough due to the highly varied skill levels. Just trying to find more people and broaden my horizons without having to sort through try hard only inhouses (I know not everyone in TL IH and such are tryhards, not what I'm saying).
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The problem is that you have to have 5 people that play together for it to work, a thread wont solve that problem, and people that scrim already know eachother and don't need a thread, so getting into scrimming isn't that easy.
A thread could be attempted, but i don't see it being successful.
And making a thread to find people is pretty illogical because the odds of the 4 other people you find work together with you is low, you'd need 5 people that can play together and communicate well, that's sort of the first step to getting into something equal to SC2 master level. Getting a team that is.
But those are just my two cents. I know how you feel though, i used to have people to play with but we kind of fell out skill-wise and are too far apart, and i still want to improve and pubbing doesn't really cut it 
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On April 23 2012 15:58 Thraxis wrote:
I understand that, but there seems little effort to organize scrims that are meant to really match that kind of thing up. I know it's very subjective, as you could get groups who are better at different things (pushing, early/late game, gank teams, ect) so "skill" is very subjective. I'm just seeing if anyone knows of a place where something, anything, like what I'm asking for is happening and I just can't really see it. I only have about 5 gamer friends with keys all together, we all work at different times, are from different time zones, and are at different skill and understanding levels. So getting together with all 5 and doing scrims is rough due to the highly varied skill levels. Just trying to find more people and broaden my horizons without having to sort through try hard only inhouses (I know not everyone in TL IH and such are tryhards, not what I'm saying).
Not sure what you're looking for, you haven't really described what you think this kind of place should provide.
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On April 23 2012 15:58 Thraxis wrote:
I understand that, but there seems little effort to organize scrims that are meant to really match that kind of thing up. I know it's very subjective, as you could get groups who are better at different things (pushing, early/late game, gank teams, ect) so "skill" is very subjective. I'm just seeing if anyone knows of a place where something, anything, like what I'm asking for is happening and I just can't really see it. I only have about 5 gamer friends with keys all together, we all work at different times, are from different time zones, and are at different skill and understanding levels. So getting together with all 5 and doing scrims is rough due to the highly varied skill levels. Just trying to find more people and broaden my horizons without having to sort through try hard only inhouses (I know not everyone in TL IH and such are tryhards, not what I'm saying).
Uhh, I have no idea in which way you're trying to improve here or what your idea of improving is through this method over just playing regular games. If you want to get better on certain heroes all I can tell you is to just go for it and play it. What it seems to me like you're asking is is there an inhouse where I can play certain heroes/roles and people won't get angry at me for feeding.
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Been doing carry/support short lane with friend, winning 90% of games. Not sure if it's bad luck or that we are matched with other try hards now but we have to face lycan every game now. Seems like this basically hard counters our try-hardness since lycan just free farms jungle on other side of the map and comes online faster than any carry we can pick.
I realize Lycan is somewhat countered by stun locking him and warding his jungle, but apart from this is there anything we can do like in picks or strategy wise? stun locking is basically not possible with a pub team, and warding his jungle is also pretty hard if we go the short lane plus we ofc have to buy courier every game.
I'm considering just running a try hard long lane so that we can rape the lane and go rape Lycan but that's all I've though of.
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If there was an easy way to stop lycan, he would not be first pick first ban material.
If you think of a good solution, be sure to tell the competitive scene!
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konadora
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On April 23 2012 18:05 konadora wrote:
pick slardar ftw
this also depends on good support, however
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On April 23 2012 18:08 zeehar wrote:this also depends on good support, however
A lot of heroes require competence from your teammates.
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On April 23 2012 18:21 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 18:08 zeehar wrote:On April 23 2012 18:05 konadora wrote:
pick slardar ftw this also depends on good support, however A lot of heroes require competence from your teammates.
And a lot of heroes depend on the incompetence of your opponents 
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Try not picking a full hardcarry and instead go for a semi carry that can beat him earlygame. Sladar would be my pick remember to get a ghost scepter on the support and then just push. In pub games semicarries often work better because you can hit your stride before the enemy monsters.
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konadora
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man it's so hard to adjust back to wc3 dota after playing dota 2 for so long @_@
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On April 23 2012 18:50 konadora wrote:
man it's so hard to adjust back to wc3 dota after playing dota 2 for so long @_@
Y u go back?
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On April 23 2012 18:50 konadora wrote:
man it's so hard to adjust back to wc3 dota after playing dota 2 for so long @_@
play techies again
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I miss my first blood every game techies, haha.
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On April 23 2012 17:47 rob.au wrote:
Been doing carry/support short lane with friend, winning 90% of games. Not sure if it's bad luck or that we are matched with other try hards now but we have to face lycan every game now. Seems like this basically hard counters our try-hardness since lycan just free farms jungle on other side of the map and comes online faster than any carry we can pick.
I realize Lycan is somewhat countered by stun locking him and warding his jungle, but apart from this is there anything we can do like in picks or strategy wise? stun locking is basically not possible with a pub team, and warding his jungle is also pretty hard if we go the short lane plus we ofc have to buy courier every game.
I'm considering just running a try hard long lane so that we can rape the lane and go rape Lycan but that's all I've though of.
In my experience, 1-2 BKB piercing disables will do the job sufficiently. Key is to survive midgame until ghost scepters/force staffs come online
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On April 23 2012 17:51 Unleashing wrote:If there was an easy way to stop lycan, he would not be first pick first ban material. If you think of a good solution, be sure to tell the competitive scene!
I think he isn't first pick/ban because there aren't ways of dealing with him. It's just because it's harder to deal with him than to use him. So teams would rather not take the risk and just ban him. I think when people get more confident you won't be seeing him banned as much.
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On April 23 2012 15:58 Thraxis wrote:
I understand that, but there seems little effort to organize scrims that are meant to really match that kind of thing up. I know it's very subjective, as you could get groups who are better at different things (pushing, early/late game, gank teams, ect) so "skill" is very subjective. I'm just seeing if anyone knows of a place where something, anything, like what I'm asking for is happening and I just can't really see it. I only have about 5 gamer friends with keys all together, we all work at different times, are from different time zones, and are at different skill and understanding levels. So getting together with all 5 and doing scrims is rough due to the highly varied skill levels. Just trying to find more people and broaden my horizons without having to sort through try hard only inhouses (I know not everyone in TL IH and such are tryhards, not what I'm saying).
How could you possibly know if you like playing with someone if you've never played with them before? Just play matchmaking and/or inhouses, make friends?
Really isn't much more difficult than that.
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