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On April 23 2012 19:22 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 17:51 Unleashing wrote:If there was an easy way to stop lycan, he would not be first pick first ban material. If you think of a good solution, be sure to tell the competitive scene!  I think he isn't first pick/ban because there aren't ways of dealing with him. It's just because it's harder to deal with him than to use him. So teams would rather not take the risk and just ban him. I think when people get more confident you won't be seeing him banned as much.
There are ways to deal with lycan, note that i said EASY way.
The second lycan is left unaccounted for past 20 minutes he will get a tower/roshan anytime he's left alone. And his damage midgame is also good enough for him to fight once he has a BKB.
It really doesn't have a lot to do with being confident, Lycan is just so incredibly strong. He's been first pick first ban even in china for a while now.
Lycan can kill towers trough BD-regen even at the mid-game.
I'm not saying it's impossible to handle a lycan, but his win-rate speaks for itself, he's near impossible to hold down if he has even a semi-decent start.
He can:
Carry easily mid-game with amazing damage during his ult.
Solo push amazingly easy and incredibly fast.
Solo roshan without a problem really early.
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On April 23 2012 19:04 PHILtheTANK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 18:50 konadora wrote:
man it's so hard to adjust back to wc3 dota after playing dota 2 for so long @_@ Y u go back?
cus my comp died and the lan shops in singapore sucks so no dota 2 can be downloaded wtf
i havent played techies yet, played 2 games of invoker, 2 sniper
yes i play on SEA (garena) lol
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On April 23 2012 19:22 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 17:51 Unleashing wrote:If there was an easy way to stop lycan, he would not be first pick first ban material. If you think of a good solution, be sure to tell the competitive scene! I think he isn't first pick/ban because there aren't ways of dealing with him. It's just because it's harder to deal with him than to use him. So teams would rather not take the risk and just ban him. I think when people get more confident you won't be seeing him banned as much.
People probably were thinking the same when Lycan suddenly became 1st-ban status in Chinese DotA 1 6 months ago.
Still waiting on people to have enough "confidence" for him to not be the 2nd most banned hero in Chinese competitive play.
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On April 23 2012 19:33 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 19:22 Numy wrote:On April 23 2012 17:51 Unleashing wrote:If there was an easy way to stop lycan, he would not be first pick first ban material. If you think of a good solution, be sure to tell the competitive scene! I think he isn't first pick/ban because there aren't ways of dealing with him. It's just because it's harder to deal with him than to use him. So teams would rather not take the risk and just ban him. I think when people get more confident you won't be seeing him banned as much. People probably were thinking the same when Lycan suddenly became 1st-ban status in Chinese DotA 1 6 months ago. Still waiting on people to have enough "confidence" for him to not be the 2nd most banned hero in Chinese competitive play.
Yea but he's 2nd most banned now not first
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On April 23 2012 19:40 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 19:33 TheYango wrote:On April 23 2012 19:22 Numy wrote:On April 23 2012 17:51 Unleashing wrote:If there was an easy way to stop lycan, he would not be first pick first ban material. If you think of a good solution, be sure to tell the competitive scene! I think he isn't first pick/ban because there aren't ways of dealing with him. It's just because it's harder to deal with him than to use him. So teams would rather not take the risk and just ban him. I think when people get more confident you won't be seeing him banned as much. People probably were thinking the same when Lycan suddenly became 1st-ban status in Chinese DotA 1 6 months ago. Still waiting on people to have enough "confidence" for him to not be the 2nd most banned hero in Chinese competitive play. Yea but he's 2nd most banned now not first
Well batrider was deemed "more annoying to play against than anything, ever" quite a few versions ago.
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On April 23 2012 19:31 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 19:04 PHILtheTANK wrote:On April 23 2012 18:50 konadora wrote:
man it's so hard to adjust back to wc3 dota after playing dota 2 for so long @_@ Y u go back? cus my comp died and the lan shops in singapore sucks so no dota 2 can be downloaded wtf i havent played techies yet, played 2 games of invoker, 2 sniper yes i play on SEA (garena) lol
lol. man, i'm getting sent to SEA for 9 weeks, can't play d3 or dota =[
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lol if im going back to sea for 3 months... all ima do is outside activities. The foods is wonderful and night life is dope. Plus the internet sucks even if you are from singapore...
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ROFL
Ehome reformed with Dai, 357, KingJ, and PCT; They're trying to get ZSMJ to come out of retirement for 5th slot
Poor Cystal, spent all this time and effort getting a team together, gets ditched~
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On April 23 2012 20:23 Kupon3ss wrote:
ROFL
Ehome reformed with Dai, 357, KingJ, and PCT; They're trying to get ZSMJ to come out of retirement for 5th slot
Poor Cystal, spent all this time and effort getting a team together, gets ditched~
So the rumors were more than just rumors.
How the hell is this going to affect the Gigabyte DotA Masters, seeing as both CLC and EHOME have spots in the tournament? Obviously they can't compete for both teams.
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On April 23 2012 20:19 NB wrote:
lol if im going back to sea for 3 months... all ima do is outside activities. The foods is wonderful and night life is dope. Plus the internet sucks even if you are from singapore...
well i'm going for work. hahaha. india too. gg. need typhoid shots
anyone having trouble with the premier league vods? they play at like 60% of normal speed. hmmph
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On April 23 2012 00:17 ChrisXIV wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 00:00 Firebolt145 wrote:
Pudge is soooooooo much fun against incompetent players, I'm still in giggles after going 26-0-7 ~ I'm afraid of picking Pudge lately, too many tryhards around. I pick Pudge --> enemy team suddenly consists of Naix, Necrolyte and Sand King/Doom Bringer. fml
sorry noob question, but why is necrolyte considered a counter to pudge? the others i get, but necrolyte seems like perfect pudge target
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On April 23 2012 21:04 me_viet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 00:17 ChrisXIV wrote:On April 23 2012 00:00 Firebolt145 wrote:
Pudge is soooooooo much fun against incompetent players, I'm still in giggles after going 26-0-7 ~ I'm afraid of picking Pudge lately, too many tryhards around. I pick Pudge --> enemy team suddenly consists of Naix, Necrolyte and Sand King/Doom Bringer. fml sorry noob question, but why is necrolyte considered a counter to pudge? the others i get, but necrolyte seems like perfect pudge target
Well you need to kill only half of a pudge thanks to his ult, considering he gets really fat late it can be like 2k hp in one spell.
EDIT: and % based hp loss aura, how could i forget that. If you have 2k hp it means 20 hp sec. Pudge has often way more than that.
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pudge deals damage at melee range, nec nuke heals and has a short range
pudge expends hp to deal damage, nec ult deals damage based on hp lost
that said, nec is still food for the first 20 or so minutes of the game
nec in general is quite good against fat tanky heroes in certain situations, in this one its just to emphasis the point that people hard counter him by randomly naming what, off the top of his head, are counters to showcase how people "pick to counter him"
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On April 23 2012 21:07 Qbek wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 21:04 me_viet wrote:On April 23 2012 00:17 ChrisXIV wrote:On April 23 2012 00:00 Firebolt145 wrote:
Pudge is soooooooo much fun against incompetent players, I'm still in giggles after going 26-0-7 ~ I'm afraid of picking Pudge lately, too many tryhards around. I pick Pudge --> enemy team suddenly consists of Naix, Necrolyte and Sand King/Doom Bringer. fml sorry noob question, but why is necrolyte considered a counter to pudge? the others i get, but necrolyte seems like perfect pudge target Well you need to kill only half of a pudge thanks to his ult, considering he gets really fat late it can be like 2k hp in one spell. EDIT: and % based hp loss aura, how could i forget that. If you have 2k hp it means 20 hp sec. Pudge has often way more than that.
Most pudges have a pipe by then and built in magic resistance from flesh heap and the base magic resistance.
If you use necro ult at 50%, pudge wont die
But necro deals %-based damage and his ult is a decent finisher, but i wouldn't look at him as a counter to pudge, maybe a counter to huskar? Idk.
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On April 23 2012 21:17 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 21:07 Qbek wrote:On April 23 2012 21:04 me_viet wrote:On April 23 2012 00:17 ChrisXIV wrote:On April 23 2012 00:00 Firebolt145 wrote:
Pudge is soooooooo much fun against incompetent players, I'm still in giggles after going 26-0-7 ~ I'm afraid of picking Pudge lately, too many tryhards around. I pick Pudge --> enemy team suddenly consists of Naix, Necrolyte and Sand King/Doom Bringer. fml sorry noob question, but why is necrolyte considered a counter to pudge? the others i get, but necrolyte seems like perfect pudge target Well you need to kill only half of a pudge thanks to his ult, considering he gets really fat late it can be like 2k hp in one spell. EDIT: and % based hp loss aura, how could i forget that. If you have 2k hp it means 20 hp sec. Pudge has often way more than that. Most pudges have a pipe by then and built in magic resistance from flesh heap and the base magic resistance. If you use necro ult at 50%, pudge wont die But necro deals %-based damage and his ult is a decent finisher, but i wouldn't look at him as a counter to pudge, maybe a counter to huskar? Idk.
Ofc he isn't THE COUNTER to Pudge, he is THE COUNTER to BKBless huskar But his spells dealing more damage the more hp you have make him good against pudge, same for nai'x.
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Now that i think about it, ofc nec is the ultimate counter to huskar :D
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I'd say he's a counter to STR carries, or just STR heroes in general.
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I'd be interested to see necro against morphling.
As we know morphling is hard to kill due to morph, and the rest of his skills of course, however if he goes below a set amount of health necro can kill him off regardless of how much strength he morphs..
Hmmm.
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"I am actually quite happy to play with KuroKy. That guy, he has some next level tactics. I've learned more in 4 days playing with KuroKy than in I've learned in my entire carrer with the other mouz-team." SingSing
i want to watch more KuroKy games <3 <3
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On April 23 2012 21:27 Erasme wrote:
Now that i think about it, ofc nec is the ultimate counter to huskar :D
it depends, in pub you just gona jungle with huskar and rosh around lv 12... after you got BKB nec is food no more no less.
I once go solo long lane(dire) with huskar, got 0 farm and enemy team has necro. I went a head and stack accient and clear it once i got mask of death... 1 level per mins just like solo mid.
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