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United States47024 Posts
On April 01 2012 16:42 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 16:31 Kupon3ss wrote:
Core is Mek and Vlads (then fill treads on all meepos)
Extremely high burst and can solo roshan, but requires very high micro
It's an insane midgame hero whose natural scaling with core, combined with its ability to farm and gain exp from multiple places make it extremely strong against certain lineups.
However, due to its steep learning curve (the only hero at around the same difficulty is the far more imbalanced invoker), fragility, somewhat weak lategame scaling, and abundance of counters (both single burst and AOE rape it pretty hard, and pro teams certainly have the coordination to focus), its a rare pick in high level play
The only two notable meepo players in the pro scene was the korean player Chu circa 2008-9 (switched to HON and LOL), who used it to very good effect in a few Asian tournaments before the Chinese began to target it with picks and focus, which destroyed it rather quickly. More recently, one of the second tier Chinese teams picked up 牛蛙 (no idea what his english ID is), who is known as the best pub meepo in the world, he's shined with it in a few games but top Chinese teams just tend to just ban it against him (probably not worth the effort to not have to come up with specific play style counters against a second tier team). Meepo's viability in high tier play is still doubtful, especially in the current push and aoe-teamfight oriented dota2 meta hes called niuwa by english people because they dont know chinese characters. just as expected????
Well "niuwa" is bullfrog, and he's used the id bullfrog several times, so I don't know why people don't just call him that.
He changes IDs like every tournament though lol.
Also, his item progression is...interesting. Treads->Blink->save a ton of gold and only buy if you have enough to still have buyback money after getting your item (options are Sheep, Mek, Travel's, Lothar's, etc.). He buys back WAY more than other Chinese players though, and starts saving for them way earlier.
On April 01 2012 16:42 NB wrote:
not sure if you really know how the hero work.... the travel is built in ~_~
Travel's is still really good on Meepo because of how each Meepo has its own set of Travel's. So it ups your mobility that much more.
IIRC when niuwa gets Travel's he still keeps his Treads. Tread's has priority on your other Meepos if you have both boots, so you'll see him drop Treads, use a TP on a different Meepo, then pick up Treads again.
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konadora
Singapore66363 Posts
On April 01 2012 16:42 NB wrote:not sure if you really know how the hero work.... the travel is built in ~_~ another note: just got matched with playmate... the dude looks SADDDDDD. Still have EG picture on though :-/
yes i know how it works lol just that it's awesome to see 5 tps going on creeps at the same time
too bad they removed the creep being stopped when u tp on it 
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So would you just build survivability on Meepo since only Treads Mek and Vlads is core, those are so cheap. Would he go for a Pipe? How about a Veil since he can trap and Veil instantly get huge bonus damage on all those poofs.
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On April 01 2012 17:18 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 16:42 NB wrote:On April 01 2012 16:35 konadora wrote:
meepo + travel = most fun thing ever not sure if you really know how the hero work.... the travel is built in ~_~ another note: just got matched with playmate... the dude looks SADDDDDD. Still have EG picture on though :-/ yes i know how it works lol just that it's awesome to see 5 tps going on creeps at the same time too bad they removed the creep being stopped when u tp on it
just hide a clone in corner of the map and u got free travel... 1 for each lane EZ mode :-/
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dagger is good on meepo aswell as you can blink the main one in and just poof the rest in for sick damage. Think it should be part of the core after mek and vlads i guess.
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United States47024 Posts
On April 01 2012 18:12 Zlasher wrote:
So would you just build survivability on Meepo since only Treads Mek and Vlads is core, those are so cheap. Would he go for a Pipe? How about a Veil since he can trap and Veil instantly get huge bonus damage on all those poofs.
The most reliable form of "survivability" on Meepo is to always have buyback money and to be 5-10 levels higher than the next highest person in the game.
Because the main Meepo is still the only one that benefits fully from itemized stats, having buyback money is a bigger deal than having fighting items. Which is why niuwa doesn't get Vlad's/Mek that early, and starts saving/using buybacks very aggressively after he has Treads+Blink.
One thing about Meepo's clones is that they take a share of XP as if they were multiple heroes (e.g. if 2 Meepos and another hero are in XP range of a creep death, Meepo will get 2/3 of the XP rather than half). Because the clones benefit fully from your level-up stat gains, but only partially from bonus stats, levels do more for you than having gold. Buying back into a fight can still be worth it if your buyback doesn't pay itself back in kill gold if you got a level-up or two.
On April 01 2012 18:18 NB wrote:
just hide a clone in corner of the map and u got free travel... 1 for each lane EZ mode :-/
You generally don't want to split up your Meepos like that. Particularly because you want to be able to Poof to clear stacked jungle camps quickly, or to split-push a lane quickly, you will generally want 2 or 3 of your Meepos together while your main Meepo looks for gank/kill opportunities. There's no point sending Meepos everywhere to leech XP in lanes that other people are already farming when 2-3 Meepos that are together can very quickly clear triple or quad-stacked jungle camps that no one else could farm that quickly.
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On April 01 2012 06:39 Qbek wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 06:37 evantrees wrote:Shadow Blade: The 150 bonus damage when breaking invisibility can be multiplied by Critical Strike. hmm, so it's changed in dota 2 good to know for kunk I suppose. It was a engine limitation due to how windwalk worked. From that one. http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Critical_strike I'll troll some pubs with lothar mortred when she's ported :D
LOL! That's why i was one hitting people using sven with lothars & daedelus.
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On April 01 2012 18:25 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 18:12 Zlasher wrote:
So would you just build survivability on Meepo since only Treads Mek and Vlads is core, those are so cheap. Would he go for a Pipe? How about a Veil since he can trap and Veil instantly get huge bonus damage on all those poofs. The most reliable form of "survivability" on Meepo is to always have buyback money and to be 5-10 levels higher than the next highest person in the game. Because the main Meepo is still the only one that benefits fully from itemized stats, having buyback money is a bigger deal than having fighting items. Which is why niuwa doesn't get Vlad's/Mek that early, and starts saving/using buybacks very aggressively after he has Treads+Blink. One thing about Meepo's clones is that they take a share of XP as if they were multiple heroes (e.g. if 2 Meepos and another hero are in XP range of a creep death, Meepo will get 2/3 of the XP rather than half). Because the clones benefit fully from your level-up stat gains, but only partially from bonus stats, levels do more for you than having gold. Buying back into a fight can still be worth it if your buyback doesn't pay itself back in kill gold if you got a level-up or two. Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 18:18 NB wrote:
just hide a clone in corner of the map and u got free travel... 1 for each lane EZ mode :-/ You generally don't want to split up your Meepos like that. Particularly because you want to be able to Poof to clear stacked jungle camps quickly, or to split-push a lane quickly, you will generally want 2 or 3 of your Meepos together while your main Meepo looks for gank/kill opportunities. There's no point sending Meepos everywhere to leech XP in lanes that other people are already farming when 2-3 Meepos that are together can very quickly clear triple or quad-stacked jungle camps that no one else could farm that quickly.
Very interesting. Shouldn't he go midas at some point then? Reliable gold buyback.
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Fuck you guys, after reading this meepo talk I thought he was gonna be released,((((.
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Dendi is 0-7 with Drow Ranger.
some teammate said "this drow is a russian and ruined the game"
LOOOOOOOOL
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When the best player in Europe gets flamed by randoms in a public games you know something is fucked up with the community.
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I'm watched a game with 3 CLG members and why does it always seem like pajkatt carries them so hard every single game. Not just tournaments, pubs too.
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On April 01 2012 20:57 Longshank wrote:
When the best player in Europe gets flamed by randoms in a public games you know something is fucked up with the community.
It's perfectly normal when it's the Dota community.
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On April 01 2012 21:35 DoNotDisturb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 20:57 Longshank wrote:
When the best player in Europe gets flamed by randoms in a public games you know something is fucked up with the community. It's perfectly normal when it's the Dota community.
I'm pretty sure it's normal in FPS too.
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No, no, you don't go bottom lane as Windrunner, in every competitive game, you see Windrunner in offlane!!!!!!111one
and that Doom
/facepalm
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Lalalaland34503 Posts
Poor dendi having to play support SF, buying flying chick + wards.
271 creeps at 28 minutes, jesus.
Skull basher on shadowfiend wut? - ohhh to get abyssal blade, nice.
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