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Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
March 30 2012 21:18 GMT
#6161
I just a really funny game.
The other team had a riki + broodmother who was pretty fed and trying to carry, so naturally I (zeus) ended up buying the gem thing. We had a massive fight near roshan, and the gem was lost somewhere.
Our team proceeds to spend the next 3 minutes after respawn combing through the forest trying to find the gem.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 22:01:21
March 30 2012 22:01 GMT
#6162
congrats sing, most viewers of any stream on teamliquid!

:D!



edit: Ret is actually beating him now, well played ret.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Zozo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil2579 Posts
March 30 2012 22:01 GMT
#6163
not really, ret has 1.5k more =p

still gz on 3k
EGM guides me
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 30 2012 22:04 GMT
#6164
scumbag ret: seeing a streamer getting good viewer, start streaming and steal all the views
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 30 2012 22:12 GMT
#6165
On March 31 2012 05:45 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2012 05:19 Kupon3ss wrote:
Thoughts on lycan

Lycan is basically the seen as part of the solution to the current "allinpush" meta
It can solo or hybrid jungle and is almost impossible to completely shut down
its a heavy pushing core that matures extremely quickly, u can grab roshan with just a vlads and you basically only need vlads bkb to be a completely destructive presence in teamfights or be essentially instagibbing towers if the other team leaves you alone.
Its also a carry that facilitates pushing extremely well with the wolves and howl. Basically, this is what the Chinese meta moved on to after "allinpush" into the lycan/sylla 20 min timing, where you farm the core (vlads/bkb or radiance), grab roshan, and then just facesmash a rax.

This is seen as preferable to the current "allinpush" because lycan and sylla can generally outfarm and outcarry any hero given a 1 rax lane advantage and can formulate a coherent lategame even if the push fails to rax, instead of ohwehaventraxedin30min GG

Why have I seen this exact post before?

basic chinese dota 101
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 22:59:53
March 30 2012 22:48 GMT
#6166
On March 31 2012 03:46 Shichibukai wrote:
This probably doesn't warrant a new thread so I'll drop it in here. I'm kinda new to watching Dota (just through streams, no key yet) so I have a couple of noob questions.

  • Having played a lot of RTS (I'm on teamliquid, duh) an interesting part of the game is playing on different maps. How come the Dota (and LOL/HON?) communities have settled for this one and single map layout. Change is dangerous? I realize the newer games just copied Dota's original map, but how come the people behind wc3 Dota never launched multiple maps, with different lanes, jungles etc?



The thing is, changing to a new map with different lanes, different jungles, etc. wouldn't be the same thing as how SC2 changes maps. Even though you see a lot of maps in SC2, they still have the same general layout. A protected natural, a relatively easy to take 3rd, usually 2 or 4 starting positions, everything you'd expect in a balanced SC2 map. Changing DotA's map layout would feel similar to more drastic changes in an SC2 map, like say an island base with 6 gas starting at your main and no natural, huge changes like that, that would affect the game quite a lot more than minor changes in terrain but still a relatively similar map all-in-all to the rest. It COULD be done, but for the most part the community and competitive players would prefer just having the same map rather than having to work out different (probably drastically different) strategies for each map, banning heroes, picking heroes, deciding if trilaning, pushing, jungling, ganking, is more effective, it would be basically an entirely new game, not to mention some heroes might turn out to be too powerful and have to be nerfed because of it, and then in turn the strategies on the ORIGINAL map would change, the list goes on and on basically. :p

Not saying it 100% can't be done, I just think that DotA has been around for so long that most people are used to how it is now and would prefer it just stay this way. Especially considering how much the meta is changing still, now, after all these years, and risking a change like a new map and making competitive teams play on it might have the potential to just crap everything up if it doesn't turn out perfectly, since both the players and fans are so accustomed to what it is now, and a new map could potentially make an entirely new game that might not be for the best.

As for casual play, I wouldn't have a problem with some new maps though just for fun.
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
March 30 2012 22:56 GMT
#6167
Somewhere I heard that dota2 is going to support custom games, so there is a possibility of someone porting twisted treeline or dominion from lol. Or even better, someone might make a GOOD other map.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
March 30 2012 23:00 GMT
#6168
LoL has a 5v5 map and a 3v3 map, and they play completely differently. Some heroes are just plain broken on the 3v3 map.

IMO the variation in dota comes from the huge combination of heroes. A game with furion in it is completely to a game without furion. Same can be said for a lot of heroes. A game with a strong pushing lineup is very different from a game with strong late game carries.

Starcraft need new maps to stay fresh, dota has enough variation within its hero lineup. Changing the maps would just complicate things.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 30 2012 23:02 GMT
#6169
by custom game i bet they mean pudge war and castle fight LOLOLOL... also Dday xD
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
March 30 2012 23:07 GMT
#6170
I need more people to play with! This game gets boring fast solo queuing
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 30 2012 23:12 GMT
#6171
On March 31 2012 07:56 LAN-f34r wrote:
Somewhere I heard that dota2 is going to support custom games, so there is a possibility of someone porting twisted treeline or dominion from lol. Or even better, someone might make a GOOD other map.

LoD...
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Akatora.
Profile Joined January 2012
Denmark2 Posts
March 30 2012 23:31 GMT
#6172
They should just import LoD as a game mode to be honest.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
March 30 2012 23:38 GMT
#6173
Just bring my all time favorite map back into life.
And thats no other than the 6v6 map!
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Imbajoe
Profile Joined September 2010
United States857 Posts
March 31 2012 00:44 GMT
#6174
i hope someone makes bob's omg dota

that was some of the most fun I've had playing DotA ever

was really sad when i reinstalled Warcraft 3 late last year and didn't see any ever hosted ;_;
i wear a kitten scarf
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
March 31 2012 00:44 GMT
#6175
Man I'm a huge fan of stats and graphs and shit, so I thought I'd love this hero performance graph thingy, but instead its just torturing me. I don't understand what the hell its judging me on, because everytime I think I'm going to see a big bar, its always way smaller than it should be imo, and then I have high rated things that I don't get. Today I played Bane for the first time since this has been implemented, and going 3-0-10 with 410 gpm warrants exactly 2 bars? And then I played Viper, went 18-1-3 with 300 cs in a 40 min game and had 600 gpm, that was only 2 1/2 bars, while my terrible terrible AA game netted me 3 bars... I don't get it!!!
Jieun <3
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 31 2012 00:46 GMT
#6176
On March 31 2012 09:44 Imbajoe wrote:
i hope someone makes bob's omg dota

that was some of the most fun I've had playing DotA ever

was really sad when i reinstalled Warcraft 3 late last year and didn't see any ever hosted ;_;

it's called LoD now. slightly different but same premise
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Shichibukai
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden355 Posts
March 31 2012 00:48 GMT
#6177
Thanks everyone for replying. Still waiting to see a few of those heroes picked!
Dankleteer
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1430 Posts
March 31 2012 00:49 GMT
#6178
What's the premise of LoD (what does the acronym even stand for?). I didn't play much Dota 1...
fresh chops
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-31 00:55:32
March 31 2012 00:54 GMT
#6179
I would love new dota maps. But they didn't they say they would implement some new ones? Imo they don't need to be competitive just a little bit different 5v5 map
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 31 2012 01:06 GMT
#6180
On March 31 2012 09:49 Dankleteer wrote:
What's the premise of LoD (what does the acronym even stand for?). I didn't play much Dota 1...

Lord of destruction @_@
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