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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
September 11 2013 18:58 GMT
#3541
I don't mind it at all. Chinese teams have the luxury of casting their nets wide. Optimisation and polish come later.
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Lodasrecedinhairline
Profile Joined August 2013
United Kingdom165 Posts
September 11 2013 20:17 GMT
#3542
All the Chinese games were almost one-sided today. Not one-sided by one team but more like by the team that won each game. And that shows how unstable they are at the moment. They are definitely in the process of adapting to the new teams.

I think iG looked strongest out of the 4 teams that played today. But I'm quite impressed of Vici even though they lost. This Vici definitely looks stronger than the previous roster.

LGD on the other hand didn't look strong at all even though they won. They had so many questionable plays against TF in game 2 and 3. Tongfu definitely has a lot to work on. They looked like a mess compared to the other 3.

By the way, does any know who played as iG.123 today? Was it Banana or the iG.coach that played 2 days ago? Godz and Lumi both didn't know as well and they assumed it was Banana.
iNteLStyLe
Profile Joined September 2012
United States346 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-11 22:25:22
September 11 2013 22:25 GMT
#3543
New RattleSnakes roster: http://dotaland.net/2013/09/11/rattlesnake-announces-new-roster-with-new-faces/

Luo
Icy
Sag
All Beauty Must Die
JoHnNy

never heard of ABMD
#RoadToTI4
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
September 11 2013 22:41 GMT
#3544
I read somewhere (maybe Mali?) that they decided to give two newcomers a chance. So thats probably why you haven't heard about him. (Me neither)
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
September 11 2013 22:46 GMT
#3545
On September 12 2013 05:17 Lodasrecedinhairline wrote:
By the way, does any know who played as iG.123 today? Was it Banana or the iG.coach that played 2 days ago? Godz and Lumi both didn't know as well and they assumed it was Banana.


It was likely not the iG coach both Bo3s. The only reason people thought it was CuoJue was because the account used to be the iG manager's. Both time it was Banana.

In fact, Faith used another of CuoJue's account today. Faith had some account problems and borrowed his manager's account.

It's the iG full lineup.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 11 2013 23:32 GMT
#3546
managed to catch some lgd vs tongfu. worst played dota by chinese teams i've ever seen.
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Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-12 04:55:34
September 12 2013 03:24 GMT
#3547
I wouldn't say they played poorly-- they're just trying out different heroes, team compositions, and overall strategies (in addition to getting used to their new teammates). So yes it's scrappier-- not the clean and polished play that we're used to seeing from them, but that's because they're not playing the passive, safe, wait-for-the-enemy-to-fuck-up style that they had "perfected". They're trying out more aggressive heroes and playstyles, pseudo-emulating the play of Alliance and Navi.

The fact that they aren't playing it as well as the western teams doesn't mean their overall play is "bad" though-- their individual play seemed just as high as before; it's the decision making that wasn't perfect. But I maintain that they weren't playing poorly: it wasn't as though they were making stupid decisions, they just literally didn't know the exact correct solution to every scenario since what they were using and what they were playing vs was different than what they've practiced as and vs over the last few years.

Honestly what I saw seemed very promising to me-- signs that they're really exploring different dota concepts in an attempt to improve their understanding and play, and signs that they're adjusting to the new lineups and hero-pool rapidly. Basically they're putting their "experiments" on the line instead of just running them in scrims to truly put the ideas to test. Give 'em a month and I think they'll have cleaned up their play significantly.


Now all that being said, yes Tongfu seemed a little weak. I can't tell if Zhou is playing relatively poorly or if there are just too many new things for Tongfu all at once.
edit: Actually I take it back; I think the supports, namely ZSMJ are the weak part of Tongfu atm, not Zhou.


Hao seems to fit iG very well; I'm not sure about Banana yet though.

Xiaotuji seemed to play pretty well as well.
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Lodasrecedinhairline
Profile Joined August 2013
United Kingdom165 Posts
September 12 2013 07:59 GMT
#3548
Yeah the supports from Tongfu seemed to have big communication problem. Zhou, as usual, has a very small hero pool and that's his big weakness. By small pool I meant he can play only few good carry heroes- I can only think of Morphling and AM.

Xiaotuji has a good farming skill for sure. But he got caught out way too often.

If it was Banana playing both days, he only impressed me with his Lesh so far. His Chen was not as good as Chuan for sure.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 12 2013 08:02 GMT
#3549
Zhou's spacecow = best spacecow :D

Also iG is looking damn impressive to me, to be honest. They play a totally different style after those roster changes, more agressive and I love it. I hope they can shape up as a team and show some really good and solid play in upcoming months.
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renfree
Profile Joined November 2012
4485 Posts
September 12 2013 09:51 GMT
#3550
On September 12 2013 17:02 739 wrote:
Zhou's spacecow = best spacecow :D

Also iG is looking damn impressive to me, to be honest. They play a totally different style after those roster changes, more agressive and I love it. I hope they can shape up as a team and show some really good and solid play in upcoming months.

They playing exactly the same style that they were before internal problems. The difference is Hao yoloing way more than Zhou and Banana sloppier overall than ChuaN.
What can change the nature of a man?
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
September 12 2013 09:56 GMT
#3551
ti winners arent built in a day guys
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-12 09:59:42
September 12 2013 09:58 GMT
#3552
You can't really tell. Any game with like 60 combined kills is not a "real" game. There's also no benchmark since all the teams shuffled. Can't tell yet if these teams can match up to alliance or na`vi till they play against them.
hmsrenown
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1263 Posts
September 12 2013 12:32 GMT
#3553
On September 12 2013 07:25 iNteLStyLe wrote:
New RattleSnakes roster: http://dotaland.net/2013/09/11/rattlesnake-announces-new-roster-with-new-faces/

Luo
Icy
Sag
All Beauty Must Die
JoHnNy

never heard of ABMD

ABMD is the newest pro on the scene. I think Johnny is Malaysian.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 12 2013 13:07 GMT
#3554
zsmj played pretty bad in game 1 vs lgd, but not as bad as zhou's spiritbreaker. i don't even level of bad on that one. didn't watch the other games but both teams seemed way off in terms of deciding what to do in midgame. rather uncharacteristic of chinese teams
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
September 12 2013 13:20 GMT
#3555
On September 12 2013 22:07 oneofthem wrote:
zsmj played pretty bad in game 1 vs lgd, but not as bad as zhou's spiritbreaker. i don't even level of bad on that one. didn't watch the other games but both teams seemed way off in terms of deciding what to do in midgame. rather uncharacteristic of chinese teams

ZSMJ was amazing game 2 and 3 but wasn't enough in the end. This is my opinion tho
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
September 12 2013 13:21 GMT
#3556
zhou is really quite disappointing on TF so far
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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 12 2013 13:27 GMT
#3557
Zhou is only good if he's given Naix.
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renfree
Profile Joined November 2012
4485 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-12 13:37:10
September 12 2013 13:33 GMT
#3558
On September 12 2013 22:27 739 wrote:
Zhou is only good if he's given Naix.

He's pretty good Morphling as well. I didn't watch the last game of LGD-TF, but to me the biggest difference in all previous games was that Mu was non-existent on playmakers as well, as Xtt getting good farm, but having poor decisions on when and how to engage and knowing the limitations of his hero. The rest all had their fails and good plays throughout the games.
What can change the nature of a man?
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 12 2013 13:34 GMT
#3559
Right, forgot about shotgun Morphling ^^
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vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3440 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-12 13:44:42
September 12 2013 13:35 GMT
#3560
All I can say is All Beauty Must Die is one of the best names I've ever heard lol. Btw has DK played any games? I wasnt following the Sina Cup ?? closely.
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