EPTFor mana I get by on bottle + veil and then go for a Euls (Sheepstick if the game is basically won almost and I'm rich).
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aeroblaster
United States422 Posts
For mana I get by on bottle + veil and then go for a Euls (Sheepstick if the game is basically won almost and I'm rich). | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8844 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Zeus' s primary need isn't sustained mana use--it's burst. He needs +max mana more than he needs regen. While Soul Ring gives more over-time mana than Arcanes does, it also gives much less max mana. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Zeus's key problem early is not mana, although he obviously does have that issue and needs it solved. Much like a bounty hunter, he wants to make kills happen as soon as his critical levels are up (6/7). Its important for heroes like that to stay "off the map" while simultaneously not spending too long in their own fountain. Thats why Tranq/soulring is situationally justifiable. Not a must or even ideal all that often, but a very justifiable build. Mana boots are so dead end and really don't come close to sustaining zeus's mana spend over time (much like mana boots on skywrath, while nice at the moment you get them, don't really solve anything past level 11). Zeus can actually jungle clear decently rapidly while waiting on ganks, for example, although this is much faster with level 4 chain which is usually as late as level 14. My 2c. Admittedly zeus has global contribution that doesn't require him to stay off the map. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
Soulring is at 55% Veil at 63% Looking at the pricedifferential, i'd say that 2000 gold is better spend in other stuff then a veil. Maybe go for an orb or septer earlier or get soulring before veil maybe? If u go for a septer earlier instead of veil u can get 10int+mana/health item which means lot bigger manapool. p.s. zues is squishy, that would be my biggest argument not to buy a soulring early with TQ-boots. If that isnt a problem, i think TQ+SR could be potent with an earlier septer. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
I hope you realize what this means for your argument. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On November 05 2013 06:45 Sn0_Man wrote: Divine rapier has a 90% winrate on dotabuff clearly I should rush it every game. I hope you realize what this means for your argument. Donkeys dont have wheels either.... | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 05 2013 05:23 Sn0_Man wrote: Mana boots are so dead end and really don't come close to sustaining zeus's mana spend over time (much like mana boots on skywrath, while nice at the moment you get them, don't really solve anything past level 11). Again, Mana Boots are not an item just for over-time mana. Mana Boots' appeal is in the fact that in terms of adding a flat amount to your mana pool, they are very cost-efficient because they use an Energy Booster. 250 mana is equivalent to 19 Intelligence worth of max mana, plus the active. For a hero like Skywrath or Zeus, whose mana spending is SO HIGH that their damage dealing ability in a fight is actually gated by their ability to cast everything, this kind of a +max mana source is an enormous boon to their fighting ability, You simply cannot get this kind of efficient boost to your max mana on many other items, and certainly not one available so early in the game. | ||
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JackDragon
525 Posts
I have never heard that proverb before. What does it mean? | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On November 05 2013 07:14 JackDragon wrote: I have never heard that proverb before. What does it mean? Capt. Obvious  | ||
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JackDragon
525 Posts
Ok. I thought it was something like that. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8844 Posts
On November 05 2013 05:23 Sn0_Man wrote: I'm gonna disagree, and heres why: Zeus's key problem early is not mana, although he obviously does have that issue and needs it solved. Much like a bounty hunter, he wants to make kills happen as soon as his critical levels are up (6/7). Its important for heroes like that to stay "off the map" while simultaneously not spending too long in their own fountain. Thats why Tranq/soulring is situationally justifiable. Not a must or even ideal all that often, but a very justifiable build. Mana boots are so dead end and really don't come close to sustaining zeus's mana spend over time (much like mana boots on skywrath, while nice at the moment you get them, don't really solve anything past level 11). Zeus can actually jungle clear decently rapidly while waiting on ganks, for example, although this is much faster with level 4 chain which is usually as late as level 14. My 2c. Admittedly zeus has global contribution that doesn't require him to stay off the map. you talk about how arcane boots is "dead end" but then you make an argument on soul ring? how is soul ring not more dead end than arcane boots. at the very least arcane boots can be disassembled into a bloodstone. soul ring is much more of an early game item than arcane boots, not to mention that it is a selfish item choice as well | ||
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Scalepad
Sweden366 Posts
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govie
9334 Posts
On November 05 2013 07:46 JackDragon wrote: Ok. I thought it was something like that. Ur argument is valid ofcourse. Data, surely amateurdata does not say much without profouned analysis (but im no pro analist either). But my post was for the poster of the question and yango. Because yango said the manaregen was even better with soulring, but he needed the veil for more manapool. I just was trying to solve that with soulring-build, with some extra form of damage. So i agree, but Its better to have some data then no data. And ofcourse data of DR is dispelled after analysis | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On November 05 2013 08:45 Scalepad wrote: What boots should you go for on Axe nowadays? I don't really like the new Tranquil Boots because it's on cooldown like 99% of the time. I usually get phase boots, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that someone will say treads are better. I just dig extra movespeed on like every hero. Also, I'm bad. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On November 05 2013 08:45 Scalepad wrote: What boots should you go for on Axe nowadays? I don't really like the new Tranquil Boots because it's on cooldown like 99% of the time. I feel upgrading boots is optional for Axe now. Arcanes are nice to get out a few more battlehungers and also to help your team when you are without a doubt hunting for kills early on. Treads give 8 str, which is ~150 hp. Phase give a speed burst as usual. Tranqils offer 4 armor and the highest base ms. When in doubt, just leave them brown, though. Those are all no must haves for Axe. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
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Daaktard
Sweden380 Posts
The, admittedly few, times I've played him make me think it's a viable option. At the very least farming should be very easy. | ||
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