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I haven't really noticed anything new that I perceive as overpowered.
Broodmother is obnoxious and clowny but still a hero within the boundaries of her weaknesses by not contributing much to team fights nor is she impossible to lane against. I don't expect to see her much in competitive either unless there's something I'm missing.
Bloodseeker is more or less the same to me.
Disruptor seems stronger outright than before but he's far from god status.
Invoker is stronger in lane and has better killing potential but aside from that, more or less the same.
Lich is obnoxious in lane but outside of that phase he's very similar.
Pudge is the same, blink dagger is cute but I wouldn't even go so far as to say it's better than even a force (Im serious)
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Meh dont really care about Buyback nerf i never die
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On October 23 2013 06:00 LeLoup wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2013 05:35 Bleak wrote:
This buff to Bloodseeker is so stupid. I expect something in the degree of offering blowjobs and free pizza if he isn't picked during this patch either. ...? Yeah, damn Icefrog for making him run really fast. He's clearly super OP now. Can't do anything about that guy.
honestly, the global bloodthirst is the main problem
RIP juking
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Yeah, his movespeed isnt the problem here. You have to build around max movespeed to achieve a ridiculous number. In which case, its almost useless in teamfights (which is what this patch is all about now). But the new Bloodthirst vision is pretty goddamn ridiculous. I was just watching N0tail lastnight as Invoker with BS on his team, the amount of Sunstrike juking the enemy team had to do was hilarious and even then he was able to snipe them.
Also on the subject of Meepo. N0tail definitely likes the new Net cast change, it feels so much more fluid and easier to accomplish with a group of Meepos. And lvl 4 Meepo ulti seems to compliment the new 1-2-2 lane setup thats starting to get adapted now.
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On October 23 2013 06:59 Emnjay808 wrote:
Yeah, his movespeed isnt the problem here. You have to build around max movespeed to achieve a ridiculous number. In which case, its almost useless in teamfights (which is what this patch is all about now). But the new Bloodthirst vision is pretty goddamn ridiculous. I was just watching N0tail lastnight as Invoker with BS on his team, the amount of Sunstrike juking the enemy team had to do was hilarious and even then he was able to snipe them.
Also on the subject of Meepo. N0tail definitely likes the new Net cast change, it feels so much more fluid and easier to accomplish with a group of Meepos. And lvl 4 Meepo ulti seems to compliment the new 1-2-2 lane setup thats starting to get adapted now.
buff from global, vision only in 6k would be a nice way. its just stupid that there are constantly enemy heros popping up for you.
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On October 23 2013 05:06 Nocticate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2013 04:31 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I wonder if more players will start to build Mjollnir for pushing lanes and clearing out jungle camps. The lightning proc doesn't work on ancients and mud golems, but the improvements to Static Charge and the AoE increase might make it worthwhile. It's already strong on certain characters like Dragon Knight, Void and Sniper. I like maelstrom/mjolnir. It's a better item than it gets credit for. I kinda like combining it with deso as well on Furion... no idea who else I would do that on though. Slardar? Weaver? Night Stalker? Wait, is the proc effect disabled by Doom/Duel? I don't remember it being that way. Might make it a decent pickup for Tresdina... I can't recall anyone ever having built it on her/him/it though.
Maybe Riki? (I have no knowledge of Riki though)
On October 23 2013 05:44 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2013 05:06 Nocticate wrote:On October 23 2013 04:31 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I wonder if more players will start to build Mjollnir for pushing lanes and clearing out jungle camps. The lightning proc doesn't work on ancients and mud golems, but the improvements to Static Charge and the AoE increase might make it worthwhile. It's already strong on certain characters like Dragon Knight, Void and Sniper. I like maelstrom/mjolnir. It's a better item than it gets credit for. I kinda like combining it with deso as well on Furion... no idea who else I would do that on though. Slardar? Weaver? Night Stalker? Wait, is the proc effect disabled by Doom/Duel? I don't remember it being that way. Might make it a decent pickup for Tresdina... I can't recall anyone ever having built it on her/him/it though. Consider how maelstrom and mjollnir give you magic damage. Then consider how desolater amplifies your physical damage. Then reconsider your item builds 
Maelstrom and Mjollnir give you very high IAS, which immensely increases your physical damage even over the course of 2-3 seconds. Desolator naturally complements it but the item progression is not ideal for a lot of characters.
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On October 23 2013 06:52 Stancel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2013 06:00 LeLoup wrote:On October 23 2013 05:35 Bleak wrote:
This buff to Bloodseeker is so stupid. I expect something in the degree of offering blowjobs and free pizza if he isn't picked during this patch either. ...? Yeah, damn Icefrog for making him run really fast. He's clearly super OP now. Can't do anything about that guy. honestly, the global bloodthirst is the main problem RIP juking
Global vision is just insane, especially with even just level 1 bloodthirst. I could see him fitting into more of a 3/4 role now with a silence, an effective immobilizing ult, and then global vision to <50% hp heroes.
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Hey so when you kill creeps after you buyback where does the g go? Does it go to your teammates or what? Does it 'stash' and once the cd is over you get all the money? WHATS HAPPENING
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On October 23 2013 08:55 Thienan567 wrote:
Hey so when you kill creeps after you buyback where does the g go? Does it go to your teammates or what? Does it 'stash' and once the cd is over you get all the money? WHATS HAPPENING
AFAIK, the gold disappears forever.
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Been playing since the patch came out, and it still feels like dota. Some shit is obviously way different, and I have wished I was playing batrider or rubick anytime I matchup against broodmother, and slark feels pretty stupid sometimes, but hey that's just dota. ^^
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On October 23 2013 08:55 Thienan567 wrote:
Hey so when you kill creeps after you buyback where does the g go? Does it go to your teammates or what? Does it 'stash' and once the cd is over you get all the money? WHATS HAPPENING
you don't get gold. you're either killing creeps for pushing lanes out or you're stealing farm for no reason.
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So what in the hell are you going to do with bb now? Just def base/hail mary push? ICEFRAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUD
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Yes, mid-game buybacks are actually a risk now rather than making it impossible to push because you just buyback and they either back off and you farm back that gold in the time you would've spent dead or they stick around and die.
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On October 23 2013 02:09 Nocticate wrote:
Luna can be run as a solo mid and far outscales N'aix
I hear this a lot, but I completely don't understand it. To me running Luna solo mid is complete suicide, she has no way of laning well against dual support ganks or a decent mid.
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On October 23 2013 11:38 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2013 02:09 Nocticate wrote:
Luna can be run as a solo mid and far outscales N'aix
I hear this a lot, but I completely don't understand it. To me running Luna solo mid is complete suicide, she has no way of laning well against dual support ganks or a decent mid.
Luna has amazing base damage and movespeed. Id consider her a tier 2 mid?
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Luna has night vision which is a huge asset to her being able to dodge ganks along with her movement speed.
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On October 23 2013 09:46 Kuroeeah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2013 08:55 Thienan567 wrote:
Hey so when you kill creeps after you buyback where does the g go? Does it go to your teammates or what? Does it 'stash' and once the cd is over you get all the money? WHATS HAPPENING you don't get gold. you're either killing creeps for pushing lanes out or you're stealing farm for no reason.
you still get exp
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On October 23 2013 11:53 Kuroeeah wrote:
Luna has night vision which is a huge asset to her being able to dodge ganks along with her movement speed.
Thanks for the clarification but to me that's not really enough. Even S4 still dies a lot in daytime with tankier mids.
Luna is just so squishy, there are about 30 heroes which can smoke from jungle and make her life miserable not to mention any kind of hero mid with a stun like storm spirit/od/rhasta/enigma/lion. Imagine an offlane BH just moving into mid, the slow/jinada to me seems enough to kill Luna every time with a mediocre mid.
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Both night vision and base damage are positives that don't really make up for the negatives that come along with Luna mid.
She's readily gankable.
Has terrible range, making many matchups bad / impossible for her.
Has nothing aside from high movespeed to lend to rune control (no waveclear A la DK / DP / QoP / Puck etc)
Isn't a great ganker, so has limited use for the runes she might get.
She also scales well with farm and levels, so putting her in a situation where she could fairly frequently get denied one or both is a bigger risk than putting her in a dual / trilane where she can secure some level of farm and levels virtually guaranteed.
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Would you tell me Wisp mid is garbage as well?
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