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On October 18 2013 06:51 sumsaR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 06:24 Alur wrote:On October 18 2013 06:18 TheSubtleArt wrote:On October 18 2013 06:16 ViZe wrote:
Holy shit this is like a totally different game
I have no idea what change i should point out now since so many are so whack
seriously though I'm majorly disappointed about the nerfs to junglers. I hate fighting for CS with people who last pick carries. Nerfs to pulls are also a fairly significant nerf to safelane support/hard carry farming
The competitive meta is gonna be so different from the one now.
Also seriously wtf about that skywrath aghs. Does that mean i can put down like 6 ults in the same place or do they not stack The mana cost for the ult is gigantic tho Skywrath + OD, game was good. The ulti doesn't proc the arcane aura though. It's 0 cost. His other spells still will, though, so you could get an extra ulti out if you're lucky with procs.
You realise you're contradicting yourself either way, right? If the ulti was actually free, you wouldn't need essence aura to get an extra one.
As I'm sure a million people have pointed out by now, Sky's ult is hilariously expensive. So expensive, in fact, that I'm not sure essence aura would be sufficient.
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so many shit changes, not playing this. ah well
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On October 18 2013 06:57 Belisarius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 06:51 sumsaR wrote:On October 18 2013 06:24 Alur wrote:On October 18 2013 06:18 TheSubtleArt wrote:On October 18 2013 06:16 ViZe wrote:
Holy shit this is like a totally different game
I have no idea what change i should point out now since so many are so whack
seriously though I'm majorly disappointed about the nerfs to junglers. I hate fighting for CS with people who last pick carries. Nerfs to pulls are also a fairly significant nerf to safelane support/hard carry farming
The competitive meta is gonna be so different from the one now.
Also seriously wtf about that skywrath aghs. Does that mean i can put down like 6 ults in the same place or do they not stack The mana cost for the ult is gigantic tho Skywrath + OD, game was good. The ulti doesn't proc the arcane aura though. It's 0 cost. His other spells still will, though, so you could get an extra ulti out if you're lucky with procs. You realise you're contradicting yourself either way, right? If the ulti was actually free, you wouldn't need essence aura to get an extra one. As I'm sure a million people have pointed out by now, Sky's ult is hilariously expensive. So expensive, in fact, that I'm not sure essence aura would be sufficient.
plus with a od on the team it means the skywrath is a support. last time i checked unless you are stomping the other team you wouldnt be able to afford an aghs on a support until stupidly late game in which the ult str is not that strong anymore.
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Veil of Discord
- Now uses Null Talisman instead of Robe of the Magi (from +12 int to +6 int, +3 str, +3 agi, +3 dmg)
- Magic weakness duration increased from 20 to 25 seconds
Is it me or does this REALLY change veil? Its pretty damn useful as a quick first snowball item once you get a quick 1 or 2 kills for int nukers. The stats are now more useful for int heroes. Veil has always been an underused mini aghanim's. Now it might be AMAZING. Zeus anyone?
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On October 18 2013 06:39 Talin wrote:
I refuse to believe Bloodseeker is going to stay this way.
Disregarding balance, there's still the fact that any lag (think cross server play) is going to make insane difference, it's far too fast for human reaction to be relevant, it's impossible to observe, let alone handle in play.
That much speed seems redundant anyway.
In fairness, most tests have been done under ridiculous conditions.
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I've changed my mind, I am now totally into all of this.
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I really love Dota and all and I can really understand some of these changes..But this is it for me.
If these changes get implemented I'll tryout LOL and if it's too horrible I'll stop playing games entirely.
I don't even see the need behind this..The current patch wasn't even close to being figured out o.o
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WHOAH WAIT
Abaddon
- Borrowed Time no longer activates while Doomed
Niceeeeeee
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On October 18 2013 06:53 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 06:51 sumsaR wrote:On October 18 2013 06:24 Alur wrote:On October 18 2013 06:18 TheSubtleArt wrote:On October 18 2013 06:16 ViZe wrote:
Holy shit this is like a totally different game
I have no idea what change i should point out now since so many are so whack
seriously though I'm majorly disappointed about the nerfs to junglers. I hate fighting for CS with people who last pick carries. Nerfs to pulls are also a fairly significant nerf to safelane support/hard carry farming
The competitive meta is gonna be so different from the one now.
Also seriously wtf about that skywrath aghs. Does that mean i can put down like 6 ults in the same place or do they not stack The mana cost for the ult is gigantic tho Skywrath + OD, game was good. The ulti doesn't proc the arcane aura though. It's 0 cost. His other spells still will, though, so you could get an extra ulti out if you're lucky with procs. It's 0 cooldown. It costs 800 mana, the most expensive spell in the game.
On October 18 2013 06:57 Belisarius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 06:51 sumsaR wrote:On October 18 2013 06:24 Alur wrote:On October 18 2013 06:18 TheSubtleArt wrote:On October 18 2013 06:16 ViZe wrote:
Holy shit this is like a totally different game
I have no idea what change i should point out now since so many are so whack
seriously though I'm majorly disappointed about the nerfs to junglers. I hate fighting for CS with people who last pick carries. Nerfs to pulls are also a fairly significant nerf to safelane support/hard carry farming
The competitive meta is gonna be so different from the one now.
Also seriously wtf about that skywrath aghs. Does that mean i can put down like 6 ults in the same place or do they not stack The mana cost for the ult is gigantic tho Skywrath + OD, game was good. The ulti doesn't proc the arcane aura though. It's 0 cost. His other spells still will, though, so you could get an extra ulti out if you're lucky with procs. You realise you're contradicting yourself either way, right? If the ulti was actually free, you wouldn't need essence aura to get an extra one. As I'm sure a million people have pointed out by now, Sky's ult is hilariously expensive. So expensive, in fact, that I'm not sure essence aura would be sufficient.
It was a simple typo. It was supposed to be "cd" instead of "cost". Seemed to be easy enough to figure out considering the cost is 800 and the cd is 0?
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On October 18 2013 06:59 aintz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 06:57 Belisarius wrote:On October 18 2013 06:51 sumsaR wrote:On October 18 2013 06:24 Alur wrote:On October 18 2013 06:18 TheSubtleArt wrote:On October 18 2013 06:16 ViZe wrote:
Holy shit this is like a totally different game
I have no idea what change i should point out now since so many are so whack
seriously though I'm majorly disappointed about the nerfs to junglers. I hate fighting for CS with people who last pick carries. Nerfs to pulls are also a fairly significant nerf to safelane support/hard carry farming
The competitive meta is gonna be so different from the one now.
Also seriously wtf about that skywrath aghs. Does that mean i can put down like 6 ults in the same place or do they not stack The mana cost for the ult is gigantic tho Skywrath + OD, game was good. The ulti doesn't proc the arcane aura though. It's 0 cost. His other spells still will, though, so you could get an extra ulti out if you're lucky with procs. You realise you're contradicting yourself either way, right? If the ulti was actually free, you wouldn't need essence aura to get an extra one. As I'm sure a million people have pointed out by now, Sky's ult is hilariously expensive. So expensive, in fact, that I'm not sure essence aura would be sufficient. plus with a od on the team it means the skywrath is a support. last time i checked unless you are stomping the other team you wouldnt be able to afford an aghs on a support until stupidly late game in which the ult str is not that strong anymore.
Dude, think.
OD is the carry right now, because he has more damage than Skywrath.
With the Aghanims effect, Skywrath's damage potential goes through the roof, soaring in the sky and slowly entering space.
OD can do like 900 Damage to everyone in an aoe with a 3 minute cooldown along with ~100-160 pure damage per hit.
Skywrath with 1 item and OD standing next to him can do 1200 in an aoe as often as the player can click on the ground.
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Majority of these changes are amazing if you think about it for few minutes. :D
I can't wait to see the pros talk about new version and what will new strategies be. I am excited!
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On October 18 2013 07:06 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 06:59 aintz wrote:On October 18 2013 06:57 Belisarius wrote:On October 18 2013 06:51 sumsaR wrote:On October 18 2013 06:24 Alur wrote:On October 18 2013 06:18 TheSubtleArt wrote:On October 18 2013 06:16 ViZe wrote:
Holy shit this is like a totally different game
I have no idea what change i should point out now since so many are so whack
seriously though I'm majorly disappointed about the nerfs to junglers. I hate fighting for CS with people who last pick carries. Nerfs to pulls are also a fairly significant nerf to safelane support/hard carry farming
The competitive meta is gonna be so different from the one now.
Also seriously wtf about that skywrath aghs. Does that mean i can put down like 6 ults in the same place or do they not stack The mana cost for the ult is gigantic tho Skywrath + OD, game was good. The ulti doesn't proc the arcane aura though. It's 0 cost. His other spells still will, though, so you could get an extra ulti out if you're lucky with procs. You realise you're contradicting yourself either way, right? If the ulti was actually free, you wouldn't need essence aura to get an extra one. As I'm sure a million people have pointed out by now, Sky's ult is hilariously expensive. So expensive, in fact, that I'm not sure essence aura would be sufficient. plus with a od on the team it means the skywrath is a support. last time i checked unless you are stomping the other team you wouldnt be able to afford an aghs on a support until stupidly late game in which the ult str is not that strong anymore. Dude, think. OD is the carry right now, because he has more damage than Skywrath. With the Aghanims effect, Skywrath's damage potential goes through the roof, soaring in the sky and slowly entering space. OD can do like 900 Damage to everyone in an aoe with a 3 minute cooldown along with ~100-160 pure damage per hit. Skywrath with 1 item and OD standing next to him can do 1200 in an aoe as often as the player can click on the ground.
combo wont work and if you are afraid of it working just pick pugna. decrpt the skywrath and he kills himself in 2 ults.
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Bruno just tested it on stream, OD + Skywrath combo doesn't work cause Skywrath ulti doesn't have cd cause whatever
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Do pro teams get the changelog before "normal people" ? I mean... they should be prepare for this changes for next tournaments
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On October 18 2013 07:08 aintz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 07:06 Mataza wrote:On October 18 2013 06:59 aintz wrote:On October 18 2013 06:57 Belisarius wrote:On October 18 2013 06:51 sumsaR wrote:On October 18 2013 06:24 Alur wrote:On October 18 2013 06:18 TheSubtleArt wrote:On October 18 2013 06:16 ViZe wrote:
Holy shit this is like a totally different game
I have no idea what change i should point out now since so many are so whack
seriously though I'm majorly disappointed about the nerfs to junglers. I hate fighting for CS with people who last pick carries. Nerfs to pulls are also a fairly significant nerf to safelane support/hard carry farming
The competitive meta is gonna be so different from the one now.
Also seriously wtf about that skywrath aghs. Does that mean i can put down like 6 ults in the same place or do they not stack The mana cost for the ult is gigantic tho Skywrath + OD, game was good. The ulti doesn't proc the arcane aura though. It's 0 cost. His other spells still will, though, so you could get an extra ulti out if you're lucky with procs. You realise you're contradicting yourself either way, right? If the ulti was actually free, you wouldn't need essence aura to get an extra one. As I'm sure a million people have pointed out by now, Sky's ult is hilariously expensive. So expensive, in fact, that I'm not sure essence aura would be sufficient. plus with a od on the team it means the skywrath is a support. last time i checked unless you are stomping the other team you wouldnt be able to afford an aghs on a support until stupidly late game in which the ult str is not that strong anymore. Dude, think. OD is the carry right now, because he has more damage than Skywrath. With the Aghanims effect, Skywrath's damage potential goes through the roof, soaring in the sky and slowly entering space. OD can do like 900 Damage to everyone in an aoe with a 3 minute cooldown along with ~100-160 pure damage per hit. Skywrath with 1 item and OD standing next to him can do 1200 in an aoe as often as the player can click on the ground. combo wont work and if you are afraid of it working just pick pugna. decrpt the skywrath and he kills himself in 2 ults.
Decrepify the skywrath? You do know the range of the spells, do you?
Anyway, this make pugna potentially a must ban before picking skywrath. I so want to see this.
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I love some of the changes to junging, Shadow Blade, etc. but other ones are so extremely absurd I hope they get snuffed in the testing phase. Some don't make sense (Death Prophet players were not complaining that much about the base damage of her ultimate), others are awfully weak (all of Void's changes), and some could snowball into absolute silliness (Batrider didn't need all those nerfs with how nerfed stacking will be, relax Nightstalker).
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I'm still going through the notes. Just wanted to comment. That Enigma aghs buff. I mean I know people try to get midnight pulse down before bhole as it is. Imagine getting that down and then aghs bhole on top. Enigma might actually be able to rampage off a 5 man bhole.
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On October 18 2013 07:09 Sbrubbles wrote:
Bruno just tested it on stream, OD + Skywrath combo doesn't work cause Skywrath ulti doesn't have cd cause whatever
Because the cooldown is 0. Arcane aura doesn't work on some stuff with no cooldown.
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On October 18 2013 07:10 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 07:08 aintz wrote:On October 18 2013 07:06 Mataza wrote:On October 18 2013 06:59 aintz wrote:On October 18 2013 06:57 Belisarius wrote:On October 18 2013 06:51 sumsaR wrote:On October 18 2013 06:24 Alur wrote:On October 18 2013 06:18 TheSubtleArt wrote:On October 18 2013 06:16 ViZe wrote:
Holy shit this is like a totally different game
I have no idea what change i should point out now since so many are so whack
seriously though I'm majorly disappointed about the nerfs to junglers. I hate fighting for CS with people who last pick carries. Nerfs to pulls are also a fairly significant nerf to safelane support/hard carry farming
The competitive meta is gonna be so different from the one now.
Also seriously wtf about that skywrath aghs. Does that mean i can put down like 6 ults in the same place or do they not stack The mana cost for the ult is gigantic tho Skywrath + OD, game was good. The ulti doesn't proc the arcane aura though. It's 0 cost. His other spells still will, though, so you could get an extra ulti out if you're lucky with procs. You realise you're contradicting yourself either way, right? If the ulti was actually free, you wouldn't need essence aura to get an extra one. As I'm sure a million people have pointed out by now, Sky's ult is hilariously expensive. So expensive, in fact, that I'm not sure essence aura would be sufficient. plus with a od on the team it means the skywrath is a support. last time i checked unless you are stomping the other team you wouldnt be able to afford an aghs on a support until stupidly late game in which the ult str is not that strong anymore. Dude, think. OD is the carry right now, because he has more damage than Skywrath. With the Aghanims effect, Skywrath's damage potential goes through the roof, soaring in the sky and slowly entering space. OD can do like 900 Damage to everyone in an aoe with a 3 minute cooldown along with ~100-160 pure damage per hit. Skywrath with 1 item and OD standing next to him can do 1200 in an aoe as often as the player can click on the ground. combo wont work and if you are afraid of it working just pick pugna. decrpt the skywrath and he kills himself in 2 ults. Decrepify the skywrath? You do know the range of the spells, do you? Anyway, this make pugna potentially a must ban before picking skywrath. I so want to see this.
even if you dont decrep skywraith he still takes 2k damage from casting 2 ults which is absurb.
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On October 18 2013 06:59 Twiggs wrote:Show nested quote +
Veil of Discord
- Now uses Null Talisman instead of Robe of the Magi (from +12 int to +6 int, +3 str, +3 agi, +3 dmg)
- Magic weakness duration increased from 20 to 25 seconds
Is it me or does this REALLY change veil? Its pretty damn useful as a quick first snowball item once you get a quick 1 or 2 kills for int nukers. The stats are now more useful for int heroes. Veil has always been an underused mini aghanim's. Now it might be AMAZING. Zeus anyone?
the change was expected to create parity between null talisman/wraith band/bracer. The build up is slightly easier but costs 20 more gold than the old version, and is still more expensive than drums or aquila. imo on heros that would build a null talisman, there are better items to work towards rather than veil usually and there are better/cheaper utility + survival items for magic dmg based supports.
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