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On June 08 2012 08:44 dAPhREAk wrote:
blizzard should just put a cap on how much gold you can get per day/week/month. that will do something to curb these bots. i am sure that 99% of the people playing are below a certain amount (maybe a million a day) and the rest are bots. i see the markets getting flooded with gold and then AH just being stupid for people who dont want to shell out money.
Not really. I can make 10 million a day and I work a job atm (unless you mean gold dropped on the ground) . Also, these bots aren't on single accounts, they're all separate accounts and the amount of gold each earn isn't that much compared to each person, it's just that there's a lot of accounts, and they, as a person, don't put effort beyond making the script.
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On June 08 2012 05:03 johnnywup wrote:
lol he spent $6000 to do this. sad imo ><
hes gonna make THOUSANDS in return. I dont see how that is sad at all.. smart imo
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On June 08 2012 08:48 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 08:47 NotSorry wrote:
1mil a day is way to low, you can legit vase farm for 600-700k an hour i read in the other thread that this was limited recently. not sure that was true though. regardless, breaking vases for an hour is stupid.
It was limited awhile ago, but is still by far the best means in the game to farm gold. It's fucking stupid but until blizz changes the game to not make it the most efficient means of farming people will continue to do it, either legit or with scripts. The 600-700k is post nerfs.
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Nice to see the botter's view on things.
I'd be very interested in knowing what the ratio is between "gold sold that was farmed" and "gold sold that was stolen from account compromise". But I don't think anyone actually has or could even reasonably speculate on that data..
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Simple fixes, buff elite pack drops, buff boss drops, buff NV stacks, remove chests/mass vase spots that are within 20-30sec of a wp/check point. Of course it will still be bottable, but at least writing a combat bot takes a hell of a lot more work than the current half page script that is the best farming in the game.
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On June 08 2012 08:52 NotSorry wrote:
Simple fixes, buff elite pack drops, buff boss drops, buff NV stacks, remove chests/mass vase spots that are within 20-30sec of a wp/check point.
They've already announced buffs to both elite pack drops and boss drops with 5 stacks of NV for 1.03, and they've been consistently nerfing farming spots shortly after they become popular.
It's not really a suggestion if you just list the things they're doing, after they've begun doing them.
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Which vases are we talking about? Royal crypts? That gives me about 5-6k gold in under 2 minutes only.... kinda sucks. That's with gold find gear too.
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On June 08 2012 08:54 dmfg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 08:52 NotSorry wrote:
Simple fixes, buff elite pack drops, buff boss drops, buff NV stacks, remove chests/mass vase spots that are within 20-30sec of a wp/check point. They've already announced buffs to both elite pack drops and boss drops with 5 stacks of NV for 1.03, and they've been consistently nerfing farming spots shortly after they become popular. It's not really a suggestion if you just list the things they're doing, after they've begun doing them.
no they buffing nv with relation to elite packs, they are further nerfing boss drops and still have yet to touch many of the most popular farming spots. 1 extra rare per elite pack after 5stacks is nothing that going to come close to making it more efficient than vase/chest farming, so they need a big nerf on that end as well.
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On June 08 2012 08:54 trinxified wrote:
Which vases are we talking about? Royal crypts? That gives me about 5-6k gold in under 2 minutes only.... kinda sucks. That's with gold find gear too.
i got 8k last night with no gf gear on. just seeing what the fuss was about. was bored out of my mind and went back to siegebreaker runs.
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On June 08 2012 08:48 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 08:40 Phael wrote:
I'm in favor of a captcha every time you create a game. (Very) slight annoyance for legitimate players - is 10 sec every half hour+ really going to annoy you that much? And gives my gold significantly more buying power. As in there is no way I'd earn more buying power in those 10 sec every 30 min I answer a captcha.
Edit: think of it this way - if, every time you created a game, a captcha popped up and by answering it correctly, you are gifted with 100,000 gold. Would you not want that? your last point is incredibly unfeasible...what is stopping people from just mass creating games and getting 100K every time? it's going to inflate prices to unimaginable levels
I didn't clarify myself.
Current situation: (no captcha) you make 10 games, farm siegebreaker 10 times and make 500k gold in addition to items. We're going to ignore the items here since the botters don't farm items.
You look at a helm that you want on the AH. Because of massive gold injection from botting, it costs 1.5 mil.
With captcha: you make 10 games, farm siegebreaker 10 times and pick up 500k, again. You check the AH for that exact same helm, and it's now going for 500k instead because the amount of gold in the economy is vastly reduced.
By answering that captcha 10 times, you've effectively increased the buying power of your earnings by 1 mil. See why I say answering that captcha is worth 100k?
Obviously numbers are rough, but I'm fairly sure I'm not off to a significant degree.
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On June 08 2012 08:48 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 08:40 Phael wrote:
I'm in favor of a captcha every time you create a game. (Very) slight annoyance for legitimate players - is 10 sec every half hour+ really going to annoy you that much? And gives my gold significantly more buying power. As in there is no way I'd earn more buying power in those 10 sec every 30 min I answer a captcha.
Edit: think of it this way - if, every time you created a game, a captcha popped up and by answering it correctly, you are gifted with 100,000 gold. Would you not want that? your last point is incredibly unfeasible...what is stopping people from just mass creating games and getting 100K every time? it's going to inflate prices to unimaginable levels
I hope that it was an exaggeration. My interpretation is that if you farm an entire act instead of a single chest, you make about 100k.
Captchas: if they implement it, sure it'll cause a shitstorm. Blizzard has done many things in the past which have caused a shitstorm, why not do it again, as long as they explain their reasons well. Surely people aren't gonna quit a game just because they implemented a captcha -_-
Edit: Ninja'd. At least I got the point right.
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On June 08 2012 08:10 W2 wrote:
Maybe disallow the transfer of gold when you open the trade box? Means you can no longer do deals outside the auction house. So then botters would be stuck with useless gold that they can't get out of their accounts. They also won't be able to consolidate the money from all 100 accounts either.
This is the best idea in the thread so far. If Blizzard removed this (which I didn't even know you could do), the only thing botters would be able to do is sell random accounts with XX gold in their stash.
Edit: Also, captchas are a terrible idea. Also also, it's looking more and more like the RMAH itself is a terrible idea.
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On June 08 2012 08:58 Phael wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 08:48 Doraemon wrote:On June 08 2012 08:40 Phael wrote:
I'm in favor of a captcha every time you create a game. (Very) slight annoyance for legitimate players - is 10 sec every half hour+ really going to annoy you that much? And gives my gold significantly more buying power. As in there is no way I'd earn more buying power in those 10 sec every 30 min I answer a captcha.
Edit: think of it this way - if, every time you created a game, a captcha popped up and by answering it correctly, you are gifted with 100,000 gold. Would you not want that? your last point is incredibly unfeasible...what is stopping people from just mass creating games and getting 100K every time? it's going to inflate prices to unimaginable levels I didn't clarify myself. Current situation: (no captcha) you make 10 games, farm siegebreaker 10 times and make 500k gold in addition to items. We're going to ignore the items here since the botters don't farm items. You look at a helm that you want on the AH. Because of massive gold injection from botting, it costs 1.5 mil. With captcha: you make 10 games, farm siegebreaker 10 times and pick up 500k, again. You check the AH for that exact same helm, and it's now going for 500k instead because the amount of gold in the economy is vastly reduced. By answering that captcha 10 times, you've effectively increased the buying power of your earnings by 1 mil. See why I say answering that captcha is worth 100k? Obviously numbers are rough, but I'm fairly sure I'm not off to a significant degree.
You vastly overrate the effects of botting. Even though people with over hundreds of accounts exist, that still only makes up for maximum 20% of what everyone else is finding. A 1.5 mill item right now would never become so cheap. Also, upper mid tier items are actually beginning to be cheaper thanks to massive crafting. Only the items worth 5 mill+ or so are actually becoming more expensive.
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On June 08 2012 08:58 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 08:54 trinxified wrote:
Which vases are we talking about? Royal crypts? That gives me about 5-6k gold in under 2 minutes only.... kinda sucks. That's with gold find gear too. i got 8k last night with no gf gear on. just seeing what the fuss was about. was bored out of my mind and went back to siegebreaker runs.
it's boring as fuck, that's why people write a 15line script to do it for them. To break 700k an hour you need a max 25% movespeed DH with high gold pick up range
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On June 08 2012 08:56 NotSorry wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 08:54 dmfg wrote:On June 08 2012 08:52 NotSorry wrote:
Simple fixes, buff elite pack drops, buff boss drops, buff NV stacks, remove chests/mass vase spots that are within 20-30sec of a wp/check point. They've already announced buffs to both elite pack drops and boss drops with 5 stacks of NV for 1.03, and they've been consistently nerfing farming spots shortly after they become popular. It's not really a suggestion if you just list the things they're doing, after they've begun doing them. no they buffing nv with relation to elite packs, they are further nerfing boss drops and still have yet to touch many of the most popular farming spots. 1 extra rare per elite pack after 5stacks is nothing that going to come close to making it more efficient than vase/chest farming, so they need a big nerf on that end as well.
Yeah chest and vase farming both need nerfing (thought they nerfed vases already?). I'm hoping that in next patch, all resplendent chests will be locked and tied to a nearby elite pack and will not unlock until the pack is completely killed..
The problem isn't really with boss/elite drops, since those aren't currently bottable. The problem is with the exploitative, bottable techniques which need to be nerfed to the point where human farming elites is more efficient than botting the exploits.
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they did 1 wave of nerfing vases, but it wasn't nearly enough and is still clearly the best farming in game
Boss are bottable up to hell(there is 4-5stack azmo and diablo bots, the stacks vary due to the randomness of spawns along the way), and with some gold find gear you can still make bank, but not on the level of vase/chest running. Which is going to get even worse in the next patch because they are buffing act 4 Hell drops to current Inferno act 1 levels.
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On June 08 2012 09:02 Iranon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 08:10 W2 wrote:
Maybe disallow the transfer of gold when you open the trade box? Means you can no longer do deals outside the auction house. So then botters would be stuck with useless gold that they can't get out of their accounts. They also won't be able to consolidate the money from all 100 accounts either. This is the best idea in the thread so far. If Blizzard removed this (which I didn't even know you could do), the only thing botters would be able to do is sell random accounts with XX gold in their stash. Edit: Also, captchas are a terrible idea. Also also, it's looking more and more like the RMAH itself is a terrible idea.
Botters can still transfer gold using the AH by putting a worthless level 1 item up for like a 200 million buyout. The solution needs to hit the supply line (whether that be the bots themselves, stopping account compromises, or whatever).
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On June 08 2012 09:06 dmfg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 09:02 Iranon wrote:On June 08 2012 08:10 W2 wrote:
Maybe disallow the transfer of gold when you open the trade box? Means you can no longer do deals outside the auction house. So then botters would be stuck with useless gold that they can't get out of their accounts. They also won't be able to consolidate the money from all 100 accounts either. This is the best idea in the thread so far. If Blizzard removed this (which I didn't even know you could do), the only thing botters would be able to do is sell random accounts with XX gold in their stash. Edit: Also, captchas are a terrible idea. Also also, it's looking more and more like the RMAH itself is a terrible idea. Botters can still transfer gold using the AH by putting a worthless level 1 item up for like a 200 million buyout. The solution needs to hit the supply line (whether that be the bots themselves, stopping account compromises, or whatever).
Which would never happen unless they force the authenticator onto people. Honestly don't see why they don't though. Pay 7 dollars to play any blizzard related game 1 time fee sounds somewhat reasonable to me and would also take a lot of load off of their GMs.
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On June 08 2012 09:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 08:58 Phael wrote:On June 08 2012 08:48 Doraemon wrote:On June 08 2012 08:40 Phael wrote:
I'm in favor of a captcha every time you create a game. (Very) slight annoyance for legitimate players - is 10 sec every half hour+ really going to annoy you that much? And gives my gold significantly more buying power. As in there is no way I'd earn more buying power in those 10 sec every 30 min I answer a captcha.
Edit: think of it this way - if, every time you created a game, a captcha popped up and by answering it correctly, you are gifted with 100,000 gold. Would you not want that? your last point is incredibly unfeasible...what is stopping people from just mass creating games and getting 100K every time? it's going to inflate prices to unimaginable levels I didn't clarify myself. Current situation: (no captcha) you make 10 games, farm siegebreaker 10 times and make 500k gold in addition to items. We're going to ignore the items here since the botters don't farm items. You look at a helm that you want on the AH. Because of massive gold injection from botting, it costs 1.5 mil. With captcha: you make 10 games, farm siegebreaker 10 times and pick up 500k, again. You check the AH for that exact same helm, and it's now going for 500k instead because the amount of gold in the economy is vastly reduced. By answering that captcha 10 times, you've effectively increased the buying power of your earnings by 1 mil. See why I say answering that captcha is worth 100k? Obviously numbers are rough, but I'm fairly sure I'm not off to a significant degree. You vastly overrate the effects of botting. Even though people with over hundreds of accounts exist, that still only makes up for maximum 20% of what everyone else is finding. A 1.5 mill item right now would never become so cheap. Also, upper mid tier items are actually beginning to be cheaper thanks to massive crafting. Only the items worth 5 mill+ or so are actually becoming more expensive.
I don't think I'm wrong by that much - I just got the picked up 5 mil gold achievement yesterday and yet I've made close to 50 mil selling stuff I've found only.
But let's say you are right, and that 500k helm is only inflated 20% to 600k. 10 captchas would then be worth 100k. A single captcha is worth 10k.
Is that still not appealing? I don't know about you, but I haven't found a way to make 10k in 10 sec otherwise.
And to the guy above - you can trade money on the AH, just put up a useless item for 10 mil. Blizz takes 15% but still, it's a transfer.
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On June 08 2012 09:02 Iranon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 08:10 W2 wrote:
Maybe disallow the transfer of gold when you open the trade box? Means you can no longer do deals outside the auction house. So then botters would be stuck with useless gold that they can't get out of their accounts. They also won't be able to consolidate the money from all 100 accounts either. This is the best idea in the thread so far. If Blizzard removed this (which I didn't even know you could do), the only thing botters would be able to do is sell random accounts with XX gold in their stash. Edit: Also, captchas are a terrible idea. Also also, it's looking more and more like the RMAH itself is a terrible idea.
They could always transfer gold by selling/buying crap items...
You can't stop botting really without hurting the casual community too much. The best they can do is making botting far less efficient, ie make long sessions and difficult creeps the best for farming gold AND items by far by nerfing vases etc. That way botting becomes very hard or inefficient which would probably suffice to prevent massive inflation.
I don't think blizz will really have to worry about botters though. Inflated virtual gold economy means RMAH gets used more and thus they get a bigger cut. All they have to worry about is the problem getting too big so players will massively stop playing because of it but I doubt that will happen
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