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Not worth it until Inferno and level 60 gear. I crafted a lv 36 Xbow with 90 DPS, lo and behold lv 38 Xbows already have 120 DPS. Complete waste of time/money/items. Get your gear on the AH if you don't get any good drops yourself.
Only jeweler is worth leveling up, because jewels are actually worth the time and money you put in.
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I am in Hell and currently upgrading jewels really just seems to be a waste of money. Honestly, I am supposed to pay more gold for upgrading than I would need for buying the gem in the AH? Making a perfect gem cost 2000 gold using the jeweler, but I could get one for 500 in the AH. Eh, stupid?
As far as I know, the four highest gems can only be made via the jeweler. But even in that case it seem doubtable whether it is worth upgrading the jeweler - because with the AH; we have an easy to use market to buy gems. I would presume that we will ultimativly have a large supply of jewelers capable of crafting the highest gems. Competition will then assure that we only need to pay the 15% transaction cost surchage on cost.
I am not yet in Inferno, but upgrading the Blacksmith seems ultimately worth it. Looks like this will be the only way to access super high end items.
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I've gotten some pretty useful low and mid level gear through crafting so far. Haven't gotten to Hell or Inferno just yet, so I can't comment on the high level chances.
That being said, the Auction House seems to be a lot more useful than craft-gambling.
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well.. most of the time it has been pretty much useless for me.. but since i dont bother with the AH (not that i dont like it.. i just dont want to use it) i have managed at times to get an upgrade for a slot i've had poor drops on for too long a time
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It's 100% useless until you find recipes that only drop in act3&4 of inferno, that will roll 6 random stats. These items will be the best items that you can find in the whole game, but it's going to take an enormous time to actually roll the proper stats. Also it costs outrageous gold to even craft one.
So unless you're going to be trying to get perfect gear, you are probably best advised to save your money and just buy gear off the gold AH.
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I think its worth it, but it takes time... so i would also recommend to pick up the pages and books while you level but craft nothing and get it to high level when you are in inferno.
later when you have your char somewhat equipped and are farming inferno you just craft so long, until you get something crazy with your farm mats. that will maybe take forever, but thats what diablo is like.
i think of it somewhat like gambling with gheed in d2...
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I sure hope it's worth it since i levelled both of them to the point i can't go any further without being in the next difficulty. (only in act 4 nightmare atm. )
so far i have crafted quite a few things with the smithie and and everytime that #$@#%# gives me int/ str / larger gold radius when on DH and vice versa when on any other chars. It would seem he hates my guts.
The cost is pretty steep too for random crafting, at some point i wanted to craft a new set of leggings since mine were getting behind for a while. cost was somewhat around 45 essences and 13 lizard eyes. yeah.... how about no.
so i sincerely hope they are worth it when i reach Inferno at a point.
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On Belial in Inferno mode and I haven't used the blacksmith since level 30ish. There's just no reason to risk wasting money and rolling the dice on stats when you can go to the AH and get what you want with certainty. Maybe if you like gambling but the odds are pretty stacked against you.
If anyone does make a large profit off the blacksmith, it will be an extremely small minority who "won the lottery".
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On May 22 2012 16:37 Arunu wrote: I sure hope it's worth it since i levelled both of them to the point i can't go any further without being in the next difficulty. (only in act 4 nightmare atm. )
so far i have crafted quite a few things with the smithie and and everytime that #$@#%# gives me int/ str / larger gold radius when on DH and vice versa when on any other chars. It would seem he hates my guts.
The cost is pretty steep too for random crafting, at some point i wanted to craft a new set of leggings since mine were getting behind for a while. cost was somewhat around 45 essences and 13 lizard eyes. yeah.... how about no.
so i sincerely hope they are worth it when i reach Inferno at a point.
Yeah I gave up on crafting my own gear when 4/5 pieces I craft give me as a DH +str and +int, MAYBE +vit. I've yet to craft a +dexterity piece for myself, and trust me I crafted A LOT. Same with drops. It's a damn miracle if I get meaningful numbers of +dex on gear, and if I do get some +dex, it sure as hell will be a 2h spear/axe weapon.
I'm currently dressed in vendor trash and cheap occasion AH underlevel shit. I'm in hell difficulty. It's terrible. I barely have 3K dps act 1.
I pretty much vendor everything, even yellows just to scrape enough money to buy some decent gear on the AH, which becomes out leveled in the next 2-5 levels.
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it's a great thing if you decide that playing the game with the AH is too easy and no fun (until a certain point where it might become mandatory maybe).
i myself am trying to play softcore without the AH because my hardcore char is way too easy so far. 15k hp and 2k dps at nightmare act2, yeah i don't nearly die so far.
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i think jeweler is good. blacksmith has been meh; its given me good items, but nothing groundbreaking that was worth it. for jeweler, you dont really need it, but its nice to have all those beautiful jewels so you can pass them off to your lower level chars when you are leveling them up.
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Since I'm not 60 yet, i can't comment on Inferno crafting, but so far it seems a waste. It's cheaper to just buy something you like on the AH or otherwise you risk spending more to make something with the right affixes; heck i even crafted 7-8 items with 5 random properties and none had any dexterity whatsoever. I'm finding it to be the same with the jeweler sadly, i always find gems that require 20k + tomes + 3 lower level gems for 15-20k in the AH (on EU at least; didn't search on other regions). At least they are shared with all the characters on the same region and you only have to do this once.
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I've been 60 for a while, max blacksmith and inferno act 3.... and I can safely say these facts:
Good: -Level up only once. your alt can craft items straight from the BS, no need to transfer or anything. -at Lvl 60, you have a chance of getting some good items. For example I crafted 60 all res and 90 all stats boots on my first try. -After you find/buy the blacksmith plans for +6 random properties, you have a chance at godly items... As far as I know, dunno if its 1-3 levels below the gear in inferno act 4, but I know that it will still be GOOD
Bad: -Useless on your first playthrough -Huge amounts of money better spent on AH -Usually bad before lvl 60 -Rarely offers improvement for your gear, and even if it theoretically could, you'll probaly need to craft 2-4 before you get that upgrade
Conclusion: -Level it up AFTER hitting 60, AFTER you have spare gold. Once you hit 60 you'll be busy spending all your gold on inferno gear people are selling on the AH, because lets face it, hell gear sucks and hell gear doesn't help you beat inferno.
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Came reading this thread after sinking all my money into BS so far (I'm just a lvl 20 barb though, must've spent around 40k) and finding it quite useless. Well at least I know I won't anymore.
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I've been upgrading my blacksmith a lot, it's far into lv8 now, but I don't think it's worth it. Just keep your money, use it on the AH to get decked out for inferno or something. After that you can go ahead and upgrade the bs with leftover money.
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ive leveled my bs and jc from the start, haha...
it hasnt been worth it, but i cant say im broke because of it...im in act 2 hell right now and i could afford all the upgrades i needed on the AH so far and i still have some spare
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Well if you guys were like me and still at level 11, in normal first time playing....level2 BS gives awesome shit :p lol. Tried 3 times and got 3 items way better (like double defense from what Im finding killing monsters) and with stats +det, +vit, +magic find and +exper between them. My DH was happy with his new gear :D
Maybe the BS was created with early game and late late late game scenarios in mind, since the only people that seem "happy" about their gambles are those like me (noobs TT lol) and those at the top trying to find super gear.
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On May 22 2012 22:14 KobraKay wrote: Well if you guys were like me and still at level 11, in normal first time playing....level2 BS gives awesome shit :p lol. Tried 3 times and got 3 items way better (like double defense from what Im finding killing monsters) and with stats +det, +vit, +magic find and +exper between them. My DH was happy with his new gear :D
Maybe the BS was created with early game and late late late game scenarios in mind, since the only people that seem "happy" about their gambles are those like me (noobs TT lol) and those at the top trying to find super gear. Thing is, the time you spent on the blacksmith, you could have spent actually playing... and when you get to lvl 13 or so, those nice items you spent quite a bit to create will be very lackluster.
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I have leveled it up to ermmm needed inferno to get the drops. (whatever level that is i forget) It is ok, pretty expensive but like someone else said its good for helping friends out with gear, as they can d/e there drops and give you the mats and it just costs you a couple 1k gold to create a nice level 25 legendary with (if lucky first go) imba stats for them. I havent seen anything i don't like on it yet and i think it worth it. I have my mate leveling Jewel Crafting with me too so its all good for us two, swap stuff between eachother. He DEs all his blues i give him all my jewels i find etc. Then when we need new gems for gear i crafted we swap and stuff good deal xD
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On May 22 2012 22:17 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 22:14 KobraKay wrote: Well if you guys were like me and still at level 11, in normal first time playing....level2 BS gives awesome shit :p lol. Tried 3 times and got 3 items way better (like double defense from what Im finding killing monsters) and with stats +det, +vit, +magic find and +exper between them. My DH was happy with his new gear :D
Maybe the BS was created with early game and late late late game scenarios in mind, since the only people that seem "happy" about their gambles are those like me (noobs TT lol) and those at the top trying to find super gear. Thing is, the time you spent on the blacksmith, you could have spent actually playing... and when you get to lvl 13 or so, those nice items you spent quite a bit to create will be very lackluster.
What time? It takes less than a minute to do everything I've done with the BS. You make it sound like it took forever =/
And maybe in 3 levels everything is better but untill then, I have way better gear than I used to. When I get to level 13 or 14 my gear will be all different probably. That doesn't mean that right now, the stuff I got isn't better than what I had.
It took me less time to get those 3 items than to post this.
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