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Is leveling blacksmith crafting really worth it?

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Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
May 21 2012 13:59 GMT
#1
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18086 Posts
May 21 2012 14:05 GMT
#2
Only played the guest pass, but I thought crafted gear was tradeable, at the very least between your own characters. Give str gear to your barbarian and keep crafting until you get good stuff. I got lucky and got dexterity/life regen pants on the first try on my monk. They were also 33 armor at a time when all I was finding lying around was 16 armor, so at level 10 it seems worthwhile (especially as I didn't see anything else to spend gold on).
Hubble
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany248 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 14:12:03
May 21 2012 14:10 GMT
#3
I spend 800k on the blacksmith and the gain was very low. But I think there are legendary recipes dropping in hell and inferno which require a high blacksmith skill. I found one legendary recipe for a axe (ok, the Axe sucked...). So the investment MAY be worth it... some day
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wheelchairs
Profile Joined February 2010
United States145 Posts
May 21 2012 14:12 GMT
#4
i have spent all of my money so far leveling blacksmith and jeweler both, jeweler is cheap to max out, the blacksmith takes forever, Im making some very nice rares with a lot of mods 1/2 way through NM right now. It allows you to make rares for the only parts of your inventory that are lacking. If the mods you roll aren't good, just salvage and re-roll. I am going to max my blacksmith out and see what he can make in hell.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
May 21 2012 14:15 GMT
#5
There are some very end game recipes that are worth it like some 6 mod gloves, but for the most part it's pretty worthless.
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dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
May 21 2012 14:32 GMT
#6
It is not cost efficient at all to level up smith and jeweler till you reach somewhere around end game. Everything you can make from crafting, you can buy for cheaper from AH. Crafting has a place in the game as the highest level gems and some of the best gear can only be made through crafting. But for average joes, crafting just isn't worth it.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
May 21 2012 14:34 GMT
#7
Yea would really wait to level it up til after inferno, use that gold you find on the way to get 1200dps 1handers
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Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
May 21 2012 14:36 GMT
#8
I leveled them up immediately, but looking back, I would recommend only leveling jeweler (since it's really nice to be able to get a better gem from the crap you get early). The money spent on the blacksmith early on is better spent on merchants/AH to get better gear so you can get to the end of hell faster (at which point you make enough money to level blacksmith quite easily).
HQuality
Profile Joined October 2009
2682 Posts
May 21 2012 16:22 GMT
#9
don't recommend to crafting on normal-nightmare - better just sell (bad to vendors, good on AH) and then buy reagents
from hell u can start crafting, but even then it's not worth alot. From inferno you can go imo
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lordofsoup
Profile Joined January 2012
United States159 Posts
May 21 2012 19:04 GMT
#10
I did it, and the Only bright side of leveling it is that I can outfit my level 20 friends with great gear.
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Tal0n
Profile Joined April 2010
United States175 Posts
May 21 2012 19:11 GMT
#11
its similar to looking for drops i would think. there is a really low chance that you get something with amazing stats on it. however when you use the blacksmith, you can pick what item you want in exchange for gold.

but the best item you can possibly have is certainly going to come from a drop.
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 19:19:31
May 21 2012 19:18 GMT
#12
I think crafting would be worth it if it were not for the auction house. Trade makes it so its cheaper to get great gear from the AH because what is junk to you might be gold to someone else.

The gold cost to make each item at higher levels really hurts, because you can easily make 5 to 8 bad items in a row.

So now I'm leveling them, but not gambling on crafting gear, I'm just stockpiling mats.
Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 19:24:48
May 21 2012 19:24 GMT
#13
i think leveling them before hell is a waste of money. you can buy much better items with lower prices from GAH. and the funny thing is combining gems is more expensive than buying them from gah
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KiF1rE
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States964 Posts
May 22 2012 00:29 GMT
#14
As far as items and investment go... Leveling the blacksmith and jeweler is a waste of time until inferno...

Heres why. The blacksmith costs will constantly keep your account poor, and you could just sell items etc etc. Im level 60 in inferno and leveled both the jeweler and blacksmith just to find out if it truly was worth it... And heres the short story its not until you get here... As only does crafting become worth it, when you start finding the level 60 rare/legendary plans to build. and simply dump all your trash into crafting one of those.Even then the higher level crafting is still expensive several thousand gold to craft an item that could be trash(but legendaries/rares could be better) as opposed to just killing something for a rare.... The jeweler combining is pointless, as simply put you can use the auction house and pick up the gem for less than the cost to combine, as the higher level gems drop later on like crazy just like the chipped, and its not worth spending hundreds to combine when for a cheaper price you could just buy the gem on the auction house. Im in inferno act 2 and i have stacks of flawless squares... However once you start getting higher i think they stop dropping and plans are needed, not sure. But all i know is i cant combine them to the higher stuff without the plans.

But the trick to finding out if the plans are worth it is key, as i cant find them lol... as they seem incredibly rare. and the ones that appear on the auction house cost several million... But the plans do guarantee some form of that item. Which is the only aspect of the auction house that may be worth it. Crafting legendaries and super rares(more affixes) seem worth it.

and that's the only opinion that i can give that could potentially make crafting worth it.
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
May 22 2012 06:01 GMT
#15
Both smithing and jewelcrafting seem like a total waste of money so far for me, Hell act 2. Stopped making items but still leveling them, not sure if I should stop that as well and just save the gold for AH.

But like people said there might be a treasure at the end of the rainbow, or not.
Velocirapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States983 Posts
May 22 2012 06:09 GMT
#16
The yime when i have loved my blacksmith is when making a new character. Having a steady supply of gear that is on point with level req makes the game way more fun to redo.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-22 06:15:52
May 22 2012 06:15 GMT
#17
Its the equivalent of gambling from D2, you may get something good in the first tries but than youll level him up for 2 levels craft items 50 times and it will give u nothing.

If you already leveled him than you can sometimes try to craft something u need but if he has low level leave him be. I am 44 and i regret leveling him, AH is so much better and more cost efficient.
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Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
May 22 2012 06:17 GMT
#18
Super early on in normal its worth it, and then don't bother crafting anything till Inferno with the plans that drop. Just train it up and don't make anything till Hell/Inferno. Same goes for salvaging, don't bother salvaging items till Hell/Inferno.

As for Jeweler, it's pretty meh and only worth it once you get super rare gem drop plans from Inferno, otherwise just use him to remove gems from equipment to replace with better ones that drop or you can buy for less than it costs to make.
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
May 22 2012 06:28 GMT
#19
There are achievement points for leveling the blacksmith. So leveling him is worthwhile. Actually crafting with him though is 99% of the time a huge gold sink except for very early on when it costs nothing, and endgame, where you can potentially craft endgame gear.
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RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
May 22 2012 06:36 GMT
#20
Blacksmith just sucks for the sole reason of randomness. You may end up paying 10 times than what's the AH is worth. Jewelry is your only reliable source really.
But hey i'm not in inferno yet so take it with a grain of salt.
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Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9563 Posts
May 22 2012 06:52 GMT
#21
Not worth it until Inferno and level 60 gear.
I crafted a lv 36 Xbow with 90 DPS, lo and behold lv 38 Xbows already have 120 DPS. Complete waste of time/money/items.
Get your gear on the AH if you don't get any good drops yourself.

Only jeweler is worth leveling up, because jewels are actually worth the time and money you put in.
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C[h]ili
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany167 Posts
May 22 2012 06:56 GMT
#22
I am in Hell and currently upgrading jewels really just seems to be a waste of money. Honestly, I am supposed to pay more gold for upgrading than I would need for buying the gem in the AH? Making a perfect gem cost 2000 gold using the jeweler, but I could get one for 500 in the AH. Eh, stupid?

As far as I know, the four highest gems can only be made via the jeweler. But even in that case it seem doubtable whether it is worth upgrading the jeweler - because with the AH; we have an easy to use market to buy gems. I would presume that we will ultimativly have a large supply of jewelers capable of crafting the highest gems. Competition will then assure that we only need to pay the 15% transaction cost surchage on cost.

I am not yet in Inferno, but upgrading the Blacksmith seems ultimately worth it. Looks like this will be the only way to access super high end items.

DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44811 Posts
May 22 2012 06:57 GMT
#23
I've gotten some pretty useful low and mid level gear through crafting so far. Haven't gotten to Hell or Inferno just yet, so I can't comment on the high level chances.

That being said, the Auction House seems to be a lot more useful than craft-gambling.
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ZergOwaR
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway280 Posts
May 22 2012 07:04 GMT
#24
well.. most of the time it has been pretty much useless for me.. but since i dont bother with the AH (not that i dont like it.. i just dont want to use it) i have managed at times to get an upgrade for a slot i've had poor drops on for too long a time
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Stabby.aus
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia94 Posts
May 22 2012 07:09 GMT
#25
It's 100% useless until you find recipes that only drop in act3&4 of inferno, that will roll 6 random stats. These items will be the best items that you can find in the whole game, but it's going to take an enormous time to actually roll the proper stats. Also it costs outrageous gold to even craft one.

So unless you're going to be trying to get perfect gear, you are probably best advised to save your money and just buy gear off the gold AH.
KroN
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany438 Posts
May 22 2012 07:13 GMT
#26
I think its worth it, but it takes time... so i would also recommend to pick up the pages and books while you level but craft nothing and get it to high level when you are in inferno.

later when you have your char somewhat equipped and are farming inferno you just craft so long, until you get something crazy with your farm mats. that will maybe take forever, but thats what diablo is like.

i think of it somewhat like gambling with gheed in d2...
Arunu
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands111 Posts
May 22 2012 07:37 GMT
#27
I sure hope it's worth it since i levelled both of them to the point i can't go any further without being in the next difficulty.
(only in act 4 nightmare atm. )

so far i have crafted quite a few things with the smithie and and everytime that #$@#%# gives me int/ str / larger gold radius when on DH and vice versa when on any other chars.
It would seem he hates my guts.

The cost is pretty steep too for random crafting, at some point i wanted to craft a new set of leggings since mine were getting behind for a while.
cost was somewhat around 45 essences and 13 lizard eyes.
yeah.... how about no.

so i sincerely hope they are worth it when i reach Inferno at a point.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-22 08:17:58
May 22 2012 07:51 GMT
#28
On Belial in Inferno mode and I haven't used the blacksmith since level 30ish. There's just no reason to risk wasting money and rolling the dice on stats when you can go to the AH and get what you want with certainty. Maybe if you like gambling but the odds are pretty stacked against you.

If anyone does make a large profit off the blacksmith, it will be an extremely small minority who "won the lottery".
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9563 Posts
May 22 2012 07:56 GMT
#29
On May 22 2012 16:37 Arunu wrote:
I sure hope it's worth it since i levelled both of them to the point i can't go any further without being in the next difficulty.
(only in act 4 nightmare atm. )

so far i have crafted quite a few things with the smithie and and everytime that #$@#%# gives me int/ str / larger gold radius when on DH and vice versa when on any other chars.
It would seem he hates my guts.

The cost is pretty steep too for random crafting, at some point i wanted to craft a new set of leggings since mine were getting behind for a while.
cost was somewhat around 45 essences and 13 lizard eyes.
yeah.... how about no.

so i sincerely hope they are worth it when i reach Inferno at a point.


Yeah I gave up on crafting my own gear when 4/5 pieces I craft give me as a DH +str and +int, MAYBE +vit. I've yet to craft a +dexterity piece for myself, and trust me I crafted A LOT.
Same with drops. It's a damn miracle if I get meaningful numbers of +dex on gear, and if I do get some +dex, it sure as hell will be a 2h spear/axe weapon.

I'm currently dressed in vendor trash and cheap occasion AH underlevel shit. I'm in hell difficulty. It's terrible. I barely have 3K dps act 1.

I pretty much vendor everything, even yellows just to scrape enough money to buy some decent gear on the AH, which becomes out leveled in the next 2-5 levels.

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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-22 07:58:02
May 22 2012 07:57 GMT
#30
it's a great thing if you decide that playing the game with the AH is too easy and no fun (until a certain point where it might become mandatory maybe).

i myself am trying to play softcore without the AH because my hardcore char is way too easy so far. 15k hp and 2k dps at nightmare act2, yeah i don't nearly die so far.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
May 22 2012 08:00 GMT
#31
i think jeweler is good. blacksmith has been meh; its given me good items, but nothing groundbreaking that was worth it. for jeweler, you dont really need it, but its nice to have all those beautiful jewels so you can pass them off to your lower level chars when you are leveling them up.
akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
May 22 2012 08:03 GMT
#32
Since I'm not 60 yet, i can't comment on Inferno crafting, but so far it seems a waste. It's cheaper to just buy something you like on the AH or otherwise you risk spending more to make something with the right affixes; heck i even crafted 7-8 items with 5 random properties and none had any dexterity whatsoever.
I'm finding it to be the same with the jeweler sadly, i always find gems that require 20k + tomes + 3 lower level gems for 15-20k in the AH (on EU at least; didn't search on other regions).
At least they are shared with all the characters on the same region and you only have to do this once.
Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
May 22 2012 08:09 GMT
#33
I've been 60 for a while, max blacksmith and inferno act 3.... and I can safely say these facts:

Good:
-Level up only once. your alt can craft items straight from the BS, no need to transfer or anything.
-at Lvl 60, you have a chance of getting some good items. For example I crafted 60 all res and 90 all stats boots on my first try.
-After you find/buy the blacksmith plans for +6 random properties, you have a chance at godly items... As far as I know, dunno if its 1-3 levels below the gear in inferno act 4, but I know that it will still be GOOD

Bad:
-Useless on your first playthrough
-Huge amounts of money better spent on AH
-Usually bad before lvl 60
-Rarely offers improvement for your gear, and even if it theoretically could, you'll probaly need to craft 2-4 before you get that upgrade

Conclusion:
-Level it up AFTER hitting 60, AFTER you have spare gold. Once you hit 60 you'll be busy spending all your gold on inferno gear people are selling on the AH, because lets face it, hell gear sucks and hell gear doesn't help you beat inferno.
Matoo-
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada1397 Posts
May 22 2012 08:53 GMT
#34
Came reading this thread after sinking all my money into BS so far (I'm just a lvl 20 barb though, must've spent around 40k) and finding it quite useless. Well at least I know I won't anymore.
SCPhineas
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands119 Posts
May 22 2012 12:18 GMT
#35
I've been upgrading my blacksmith a lot, it's far into lv8 now, but I don't think it's worth it. Just keep your money, use it on the AH to get decked out for inferno or something. After that you can go ahead and upgrade the bs with leftover money.
Sif_
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil3106 Posts
May 22 2012 12:51 GMT
#36
ive leveled my bs and jc from the start, haha...

it hasnt been worth it, but i cant say im broke because of it...im in act 2 hell right now and i could afford all the upgrades i needed on the AH so far and i still have some spare
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4231 Posts
May 22 2012 13:14 GMT
#37
Well if you guys were like me and still at level 11, in normal first time playing....level2 BS gives awesome shit :p lol. Tried 3 times and got 3 items way better (like double defense from what Im finding killing monsters) and with stats +det, +vit, +magic find and +exper between them. My DH was happy with his new gear :D


Maybe the BS was created with early game and late late late game scenarios in mind, since the only people that seem "happy" about their gambles are those like me (noobs TT lol) and those at the top trying to find super gear.
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Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-22 13:17:53
May 22 2012 13:17 GMT
#38
On May 22 2012 22:14 KobraKay wrote:
Well if you guys were like me and still at level 11, in normal first time playing....level2 BS gives awesome shit :p lol. Tried 3 times and got 3 items way better (like double defense from what Im finding killing monsters) and with stats +det, +vit, +magic find and +exper between them. My DH was happy with his new gear :D


Maybe the BS was created with early game and late late late game scenarios in mind, since the only people that seem "happy" about their gambles are those like me (noobs TT lol) and those at the top trying to find super gear.

Thing is, the time you spent on the blacksmith, you could have spent actually playing... and when you get to lvl 13 or so, those nice items you spent quite a bit to create will be very lackluster.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
May 22 2012 13:23 GMT
#39
I have leveled it up to ermmm needed inferno to get the drops. (whatever level that is i forget) It is ok, pretty expensive but like someone else said its good for helping friends out with gear, as they can d/e there drops and give you the mats and it just costs you a couple 1k gold to create a nice level 25 legendary with (if lucky first go) imba stats for them. I havent seen anything i don't like on it yet and i think it worth it. I have my mate leveling Jewel Crafting with me too so its all good for us two, swap stuff between eachother. He DEs all his blues i give him all my jewels i find etc. Then when we need new gems for gear i crafted we swap and stuff good deal xD
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KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4231 Posts
May 22 2012 13:31 GMT
#40
On May 22 2012 22:17 Tobberoth wrote:
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On May 22 2012 22:14 KobraKay wrote:
Well if you guys were like me and still at level 11, in normal first time playing....level2 BS gives awesome shit :p lol. Tried 3 times and got 3 items way better (like double defense from what Im finding killing monsters) and with stats +det, +vit, +magic find and +exper between them. My DH was happy with his new gear :D


Maybe the BS was created with early game and late late late game scenarios in mind, since the only people that seem "happy" about their gambles are those like me (noobs TT lol) and those at the top trying to find super gear.

Thing is, the time you spent on the blacksmith, you could have spent actually playing... and when you get to lvl 13 or so, those nice items you spent quite a bit to create will be very lackluster.


What time? It takes less than a minute to do everything I've done with the BS. You make it sound like it took forever =/

And maybe in 3 levels everything is better but untill then, I have way better gear than I used to. When I get to level 13 or 14 my gear will be all different probably. That doesn't mean that right now, the stuff I got isn't better than what I had.

It took me less time to get those 3 items than to post this.
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Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
May 22 2012 13:33 GMT
#41
On May 22 2012 22:31 KobraKay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 22:17 Tobberoth wrote:
On May 22 2012 22:14 KobraKay wrote:
Well if you guys were like me and still at level 11, in normal first time playing....level2 BS gives awesome shit :p lol. Tried 3 times and got 3 items way better (like double defense from what Im finding killing monsters) and with stats +det, +vit, +magic find and +exper between them. My DH was happy with his new gear :D


Maybe the BS was created with early game and late late late game scenarios in mind, since the only people that seem "happy" about their gambles are those like me (noobs TT lol) and those at the top trying to find super gear.

Thing is, the time you spent on the blacksmith, you could have spent actually playing... and when you get to lvl 13 or so, those nice items you spent quite a bit to create will be very lackluster.


What time? It takes less than a minute to do everything I've done with the BS. You make it sound like it took forever =/

And maybe in 3 levels everything is better but untill then, I have way better gear than I used to. When I get to level 13 or 14 my gear will be all different probably. That doesn't mean that right now, the stuff I got isn't better than what I had.

It took me less time to get those 3 items than to post this.

I doubt it took that fast, unless you ignore the fact that you had to salvage a ton of items for materials. Items you could have sold to the merchant and then used the money to buy even better gear off the AH.

Crafting is just ridiculously wasteful until inferno where you get recepies which allow you to make items better than what you can find. Crafting before then is a huge money sink which gives you a chance at items about as good as ones you can buy on the AH way cheaper.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
May 22 2012 13:35 GMT
#42
On May 22 2012 22:23 Pandemona wrote:
I have leveled it up to ermmm needed inferno to get the drops. (whatever level that is i forget) It is ok, pretty expensive but like someone else said its good for helping friends out with gear, as they can d/e there drops and give you the mats and it just costs you a couple 1k gold to create a nice level 25 legendary with (if lucky first go) imba stats for them. I havent seen anything i don't like on it yet and i think it worth it. I have my mate leveling Jewel Crafting with me too so its all good for us two, swap stuff between eachother. He DEs all his blues i give him all my jewels i find etc. Then when we need new gems for gear i crafted we swap and stuff good deal xD

Not to burst the bubble or anything, but it's cheaper to buy a few of the best gems off the AH than the gold it costs to upgrade the jewelcrafter to max
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4231 Posts
May 22 2012 13:57 GMT
#43
On May 22 2012 22:33 Tobberoth wrote:
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On May 22 2012 22:31 KobraKay wrote:
On May 22 2012 22:17 Tobberoth wrote:
On May 22 2012 22:14 KobraKay wrote:
Well if you guys were like me and still at level 11, in normal first time playing....level2 BS gives awesome shit :p lol. Tried 3 times and got 3 items way better (like double defense from what Im finding killing monsters) and with stats +det, +vit, +magic find and +exper between them. My DH was happy with his new gear :D


Maybe the BS was created with early game and late late late game scenarios in mind, since the only people that seem "happy" about their gambles are those like me (noobs TT lol) and those at the top trying to find super gear.

Thing is, the time you spent on the blacksmith, you could have spent actually playing... and when you get to lvl 13 or so, those nice items you spent quite a bit to create will be very lackluster.


What time? It takes less than a minute to do everything I've done with the BS. You make it sound like it took forever =/

And maybe in 3 levels everything is better but untill then, I have way better gear than I used to. When I get to level 13 or 14 my gear will be all different probably. That doesn't mean that right now, the stuff I got isn't better than what I had.

It took me less time to get those 3 items than to post this.

I doubt it took that fast, unless you ignore the fact that you had to salvage a ton of items for materials. Items you could have sold to the merchant and then used the money to buy even better gear off the AH.

Crafting is just ridiculously wasteful until inferno where you get recepies which allow you to make items better than what you can find. Crafting before then is a huge money sink which gives you a chance at items about as good as ones you can buy on the AH way cheaper.


Killing monsters and getting blue items to salvage constitutes playing so Im not wasting playing time like you suggested. Of course if you count playing time killing monsters and following the dungeons it took more than 1 minute. But that is playing the game, had I sold the items it would take exactly the same time as salvage. Full back pack come to town sell whites, salvage blues go back to the dungeon. Zero play time loss since even if I didn't salvage I would have sold them and that takes exactly the same time. I didn't change anything to get those pieces. I had the money, I had the materials (you probably overstimate the requirements of low level stuff at the really low level I am lol)...

I get it people that play this game faithfully dont find it useful, that's why I stated that it was probably designed with really early game (or people like me who dont know or dont care or dont want to use the AH, and I would argue that using the AH takes more time than it took to use the BS) and really late game in mind since people in between dont find it usefull.

I never stated that it was usefull for everybody or that people should use it all the time. I was just saying that if you were scrubs like me (and probably lucky aswell) at level 11 you could get 3 items (so far) way better than anything else around. Yup probably wouldn't serve for longer than 3 or 4 levels, yes probably the combined 12k or 13k that those costed me (one level upgrade plus the value of salvaged items plus cost of building) would make it cheaper to buy equal or better things in the AH, but you can't say it killed my playing time or that it took playing time away from me, because it didn't. Just that
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Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
May 22 2012 14:08 GMT
#44
On May 22 2012 22:57 KobraKay wrote:
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On May 22 2012 22:33 Tobberoth wrote:
On May 22 2012 22:31 KobraKay wrote:
On May 22 2012 22:17 Tobberoth wrote:
On May 22 2012 22:14 KobraKay wrote:
Well if you guys were like me and still at level 11, in normal first time playing....level2 BS gives awesome shit :p lol. Tried 3 times and got 3 items way better (like double defense from what Im finding killing monsters) and with stats +det, +vit, +magic find and +exper between them. My DH was happy with his new gear :D


Maybe the BS was created with early game and late late late game scenarios in mind, since the only people that seem "happy" about their gambles are those like me (noobs TT lol) and those at the top trying to find super gear.

Thing is, the time you spent on the blacksmith, you could have spent actually playing... and when you get to lvl 13 or so, those nice items you spent quite a bit to create will be very lackluster.


What time? It takes less than a minute to do everything I've done with the BS. You make it sound like it took forever =/

And maybe in 3 levels everything is better but untill then, I have way better gear than I used to. When I get to level 13 or 14 my gear will be all different probably. That doesn't mean that right now, the stuff I got isn't better than what I had.

It took me less time to get those 3 items than to post this.

I doubt it took that fast, unless you ignore the fact that you had to salvage a ton of items for materials. Items you could have sold to the merchant and then used the money to buy even better gear off the AH.

Crafting is just ridiculously wasteful until inferno where you get recepies which allow you to make items better than what you can find. Crafting before then is a huge money sink which gives you a chance at items about as good as ones you can buy on the AH way cheaper.


Killing monsters and getting blue items to salvage constitutes playing so Im not wasting playing time like you suggested. Of course if you count playing time killing monsters and following the dungeons it took more than 1 minute. But that is playing the game, had I sold the items it would take exactly the same time as salvage. Full back pack come to town sell whites, salvage blues go back to the dungeon. Zero play time loss since even if I didn't salvage I would have sold them and that takes exactly the same time. I didn't change anything to get those pieces. I had the money, I had the materials (you probably overstimate the requirements of low level stuff at the really low level I am lol)...

I get it people that play this game faithfully dont find it useful, that's why I stated that it was probably designed with really early game (or people like me who dont know or dont care or dont want to use the AH, and I would argue that using the AH takes more time than it took to use the BS) and really late game in mind since people in between dont find it usefull.

I never stated that it was usefull for everybody or that people should use it all the time. I was just saying that if you were scrubs like me (and probably lucky aswell) at level 11 you could get 3 items (so far) way better than anything else around. Yup probably wouldn't serve for longer than 3 or 4 levels, yes probably the combined 12k or 13k that those costed me (one level upgrade plus the value of salvaged items plus cost of building) would make it cheaper to buy equal or better things in the AH, but you can't say it killed my playing time or that it took playing time away from me, because it didn't. Just that

Well, you're saying it was probably designed for the early game, I'm showing why it can't have been since using the AH or just straight up leveling is faster and more effective. If crafting was designed for the early game, it would have been way cheaper to use and would hold for more than 3-4 levels (ie 20 minutes of play).
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4231 Posts
May 22 2012 14:26 GMT
#45
On May 22 2012 23:08 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 22:57 KobraKay wrote:
On May 22 2012 22:33 Tobberoth wrote:
On May 22 2012 22:31 KobraKay wrote:
On May 22 2012 22:17 Tobberoth wrote:
On May 22 2012 22:14 KobraKay wrote:
Well if you guys were like me and still at level 11, in normal first time playing....level2 BS gives awesome shit :p lol. Tried 3 times and got 3 items way better (like double defense from what Im finding killing monsters) and with stats +det, +vit, +magic find and +exper between them. My DH was happy with his new gear :D


Maybe the BS was created with early game and late late late game scenarios in mind, since the only people that seem "happy" about their gambles are those like me (noobs TT lol) and those at the top trying to find super gear.

Thing is, the time you spent on the blacksmith, you could have spent actually playing... and when you get to lvl 13 or so, those nice items you spent quite a bit to create will be very lackluster.


What time? It takes less than a minute to do everything I've done with the BS. You make it sound like it took forever =/

And maybe in 3 levels everything is better but untill then, I have way better gear than I used to. When I get to level 13 or 14 my gear will be all different probably. That doesn't mean that right now, the stuff I got isn't better than what I had.

It took me less time to get those 3 items than to post this.

I doubt it took that fast, unless you ignore the fact that you had to salvage a ton of items for materials. Items you could have sold to the merchant and then used the money to buy even better gear off the AH.

Crafting is just ridiculously wasteful until inferno where you get recepies which allow you to make items better than what you can find. Crafting before then is a huge money sink which gives you a chance at items about as good as ones you can buy on the AH way cheaper.


Killing monsters and getting blue items to salvage constitutes playing so Im not wasting playing time like you suggested. Of course if you count playing time killing monsters and following the dungeons it took more than 1 minute. But that is playing the game, had I sold the items it would take exactly the same time as salvage. Full back pack come to town sell whites, salvage blues go back to the dungeon. Zero play time loss since even if I didn't salvage I would have sold them and that takes exactly the same time. I didn't change anything to get those pieces. I had the money, I had the materials (you probably overstimate the requirements of low level stuff at the really low level I am lol)...

I get it people that play this game faithfully dont find it useful, that's why I stated that it was probably designed with really early game (or people like me who dont know or dont care or dont want to use the AH, and I would argue that using the AH takes more time than it took to use the BS) and really late game in mind since people in between dont find it usefull.

I never stated that it was usefull for everybody or that people should use it all the time. I was just saying that if you were scrubs like me (and probably lucky aswell) at level 11 you could get 3 items (so far) way better than anything else around. Yup probably wouldn't serve for longer than 3 or 4 levels, yes probably the combined 12k or 13k that those costed me (one level upgrade plus the value of salvaged items plus cost of building) would make it cheaper to buy equal or better things in the AH, but you can't say it killed my playing time or that it took playing time away from me, because it didn't. Just that

Well, you're saying it was probably designed for the early game, I'm showing why it can't have been since using the AH or just straight up leveling is faster and more effective. If crafting was designed for the early game, it would have been way cheaper to use and would hold for more than 3-4 levels (ie 20 minutes of play).


3 or 4 levels accounts for way more than 20 minutes =/ lol at least for me. But ok I'll give you that. I was just replying to when you were stating that it would take away actual playing time and I tried to show that was not the case. The explanation I offered about the low level/early game was based on my experience and was a possibility only, not a fact.

If you say that it doesn't make sense Im not going to argue with you due to lack of experience on my part, so my hypothesis on the design objective of BS is probably invalid and false. I can live with that
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KookyMonster
Profile Joined January 2012
United States311 Posts
May 23 2012 00:02 GMT
#46
It's pretty good for getting good gear to your other heroes/friends. Other than that, you just have to be lucky. I leveled mine and am in inferno. Some legendary plans drop later, and you can also find some in the AH that are pretty good (while some others are pretty terrible and not worth you money). Bottom line is if you like playing multiple heroes, blacksmithing pays off. If you only plan on playing 1 hero, then I would suggest saving your money and spending it in the AH for the exact items you want.
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Wasteweiser
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada522 Posts
May 23 2012 08:41 GMT
#47
Pretty sure Exalted grand will produce the best items in the game from blacksmithing, jewelcrafting seems like a big waste still. I never seem toe ver get a good dice roll on my crafts though, wasted aroun d2 million trying to get one but no luck
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Osteriet
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark149 Posts
May 23 2012 09:56 GMT
#48
i leveled both up and used them solely on the 'fun' aspect. Crafting a rare gives the same feeling as you had in D2 when mephisto was about to go down. 'oh boy oh boy oh boy'.
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
May 23 2012 10:23 GMT
#49
Inferno demon hunter here with maxed crafting (sorry for the wall of text, its useful I promise!) ; ultimately the blacksmith is an end game tool to make money. No point in crafting gear for your low level alts when you can get much better equipment for cheaper on the AH at this point.

Where the real fun comes in is the "Exalted fine" (5 random affixes) and "Exalted grand" (6 random affixes) recipes for specifically Bracers, Shoulders and Gloves. Legs, Boots and Helmets are also quite good but can be found in loot with generally good stats whereas the former are hard to find with good affixes.

Started off crafting shoulders/bracers until I got the "magic" combination of str/vit, dex/vit or int/vit with Magic Find/All Resist affixes. This combination of affixes is very desirable on the AH right now and can easily sell for hundreds of thousands to millions. Gloves can also come with attack speed and Critical modifiers (also very desirable).

There is an initial investment of either finding or simply purchasing the recipes for these items as the base maxed blacksmith only has regular exalted items. Most of the "Fine Exalted" recipes are on the market right now ranging from 200k-800k depending on the item crafted. The "Grand Exalted" recipes are a different beast and rarely surface on the market. I was lucky and managed to snag Grand Exalted Glove recipe for a relatively cheap 4 million. The Grand Shoulder recipe peaked at about 80 million. Take a moment to look through the Grand recipes tab whenever searching the AH for a chance to snag one of these if you can.

The final investment is actually producing these items. There is a crafting cost of about ~40-60k and inferno crafting materials. After a week, these inferno crafting materials are relatively affordable and it is usually better to just buy them on the AH for yourself than to spend time farming and salvaging for what you need. Crafting a gloves, bracers or shoulders is about 110-150k so even if you don't get the best modifiers try to at least sell it for this price (with the 15% AH fee in mind) so you can make another. The jackpot is when you get the "magic" combination of affixes that will let you produce a whole nother round of items (depending on how many free slots you have on your AH que).

This practice of crafting and reselling 5-6 affix high tier Exalted items is not generally viable unless you are in Late Hell-Inferno and have easy access to funds for the initial startup. Alternatively if you have been saving money for quite some time and can max out the blacksmith the process can be started earlier.
Nallen
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom134 Posts
May 23 2012 10:45 GMT
#50
Well I guess that was money badly spent :|
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 23 2012 11:26 GMT
#51
On May 23 2012 19:23 RuskiPanda wrote:
Inferno demon hunter here with maxed crafting (sorry for the wall of text, its useful I promise!) ; ultimately the blacksmith is an end game tool to make money. No point in crafting gear for your low level alts when you can get much better equipment for cheaper on the AH at this point.

Where the real fun comes in is the "Exalted fine" (5 random affixes) and "Exalted grand" (6 random affixes) recipes for specifically Bracers, Shoulders and Gloves. Legs, Boots and Helmets are also quite good but can be found in loot with generally good stats whereas the former are hard to find with good affixes.

Started off crafting shoulders/bracers until I got the "magic" combination of str/vit, dex/vit or int/vit with Magic Find/All Resist affixes. This combination of affixes is very desirable on the AH right now and can easily sell for hundreds of thousands to millions. Gloves can also come with attack speed and Critical modifiers (also very desirable).

There is an initial investment of either finding or simply purchasing the recipes for these items as the base maxed blacksmith only has regular exalted items. Most of the "Fine Exalted" recipes are on the market right now ranging from 200k-800k depending on the item crafted. The "Grand Exalted" recipes are a different beast and rarely surface on the market. I was lucky and managed to snag Grand Exalted Glove recipe for a relatively cheap 4 million. The Grand Shoulder recipe peaked at about 80 million. Take a moment to look through the Grand recipes tab whenever searching the AH for a chance to snag one of these if you can.

The final investment is actually producing these items. There is a crafting cost of about ~40-60k and inferno crafting materials. After a week, these inferno crafting materials are relatively affordable and it is usually better to just buy them on the AH for yourself than to spend time farming and salvaging for what you need. Crafting a gloves, bracers or shoulders is about 110-150k so even if you don't get the best modifiers try to at least sell it for this price (with the 15% AH fee in mind) so you can make another. The jackpot is when you get the "magic" combination of affixes that will let you produce a whole nother round of items (depending on how many free slots you have on your AH que).

This practice of crafting and reselling 5-6 affix high tier Exalted items is not generally viable unless you are in Late Hell-Inferno and have easy access to funds for the initial startup. Alternatively if you have been saving money for quite some time and can max out the blacksmith the process can be started earlier.

This matches my general intuition about Blacksmithing from the beginning (that it's not really viable low-level, but the high demand and low availability of those hard-to-get rare plans would make it viable if you got your hands on one). Thanks for sharing your experiences.
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{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
May 23 2012 11:32 GMT
#52
i did blacksmith for the achievement, retarded reason but well....i didnt find it rewarding in any way ^^
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yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 13:50:05
May 23 2012 13:44 GMT
#53
On May 22 2012 15:09 Velocirapture wrote:
The yime when i have loved my blacksmith is when making a new character. Having a steady supply of gear that is on point with level req makes the game way more fun to redo.


Or you could spend 3000g on Auction House rares every 5-10 levels, which is massively cheaper than leveling BS, not to mention the materials cost of crafting random gear.

I mean if you have fun with the crafting that's fine, but it's the furthest thing from optimal or convenient.

Full back pack come to town sell whites


Whites vendor for like 3 gold. They're not worth picking up.

I understand your impulses, I had the same ones. Sell whites, salvage blues, drool at yellows and put them in the stash for an alt. But if you look at the numbers it doesn't make any sense to do this.

I started a new alt on a different region and just stopped picking up whites, vendored all blues/rares that weren't usable, and bought gear off AH. By level 20 I had over 30k gold and I was in fully gemmed rares, one shotting everything.
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