Is leveling blacksmith crafting really worth it?
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NotSorry
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NotSorry
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Tobberoth
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HQuality
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from hell u can start crafting, but even then it's not worth alot. From inferno you can go imo | ||
lordofsoup
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Tal0n
United States175 Posts
but the best item you can possibly have is certainly going to come from a drop. | ||
dsousa
United States1363 Posts
The gold cost to make each item at higher levels really hurts, because you can easily make 5 to 8 bad items in a row. So now I'm leveling them, but not gambling on crafting gear, I'm just stockpiling mats. | ||
Isualin
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
Heres why. The blacksmith costs will constantly keep your account poor, and you could just sell items etc etc. Im level 60 in inferno and leveled both the jeweler and blacksmith just to find out if it truly was worth it... And heres the short story its not until you get here... As only does crafting become worth it, when you start finding the level 60 rare/legendary plans to build. and simply dump all your trash into crafting one of those.Even then the higher level crafting is still expensive several thousand gold to craft an item that could be trash(but legendaries/rares could be better) as opposed to just killing something for a rare.... The jeweler combining is pointless, as simply put you can use the auction house and pick up the gem for less than the cost to combine, as the higher level gems drop later on like crazy just like the chipped, and its not worth spending hundreds to combine when for a cheaper price you could just buy the gem on the auction house. Im in inferno act 2 and i have stacks of flawless squares... However once you start getting higher i think they stop dropping and plans are needed, not sure. But all i know is i cant combine them to the higher stuff without the plans. But the trick to finding out if the plans are worth it is key, as i cant find them lol... as they seem incredibly rare. and the ones that appear on the auction house cost several million... But the plans do guarantee some form of that item. Which is the only aspect of the auction house that may be worth it. Crafting legendaries and super rares(more affixes) seem worth it. and that's the only opinion that i can give that could potentially make crafting worth it. | ||
Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
But like people said there might be a treasure at the end of the rainbow, or not. | ||
Velocirapture
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
If you already leveled him than you can sometimes try to craft something u need but if he has low level leave him be. I am 44 and i regret leveling him, AH is so much better and more cost efficient. | ||
Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
As for Jeweler, it's pretty meh and only worth it once you get super rare gem drop plans from Inferno, otherwise just use him to remove gems from equipment to replace with better ones that drop or you can buy for less than it costs to make. | ||
Amui
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RaiZ
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![]() But hey i'm not in inferno yet so take it with a grain of salt. | ||
Latham
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I crafted a lv 36 Xbow with 90 DPS, lo and behold lv 38 Xbows already have 120 DPS. Complete waste of time/money/items. Get your gear on the AH if you don't get any good drops yourself. Only jeweler is worth leveling up, because jewels are actually worth the time and money you put in. | ||
C[h]ili
Germany167 Posts
As far as I know, the four highest gems can only be made via the jeweler. But even in that case it seem doubtable whether it is worth upgrading the jeweler - because with the AH; we have an easy to use market to buy gems. I would presume that we will ultimativly have a large supply of jewelers capable of crafting the highest gems. Competition will then assure that we only need to pay the 15% transaction cost surchage on cost. I am not yet in Inferno, but upgrading the Blacksmith seems ultimately worth it. Looks like this will be the only way to access super high end items. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States44811 Posts
That being said, the Auction House seems to be a lot more useful than craft-gambling. | ||
ZergOwaR
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Stabby.aus
Australia94 Posts
So unless you're going to be trying to get perfect gear, you are probably best advised to save your money and just buy gear off the gold AH. | ||
KroN
Germany438 Posts
later when you have your char somewhat equipped and are farming inferno you just craft so long, until you get something crazy with your farm mats. that will maybe take forever, but thats what diablo is like. i think of it somewhat like gambling with gheed in d2... | ||
Arunu
Netherlands111 Posts
(only in act 4 nightmare atm. ) so far i have crafted quite a few things with the smithie and and everytime that #$@#%# gives me int/ str / larger gold radius when on DH and vice versa when on any other chars. It would seem he hates my guts. The cost is pretty steep too for random crafting, at some point i wanted to craft a new set of leggings since mine were getting behind for a while. cost was somewhat around 45 essences and 13 lizard eyes. yeah.... how about no. so i sincerely hope they are worth it when i reach Inferno at a point. | ||
GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
If anyone does make a large profit off the blacksmith, it will be an extremely small minority who "won the lottery". | ||
Latham
9563 Posts
On May 22 2012 16:37 Arunu wrote: I sure hope it's worth it since i levelled both of them to the point i can't go any further without being in the next difficulty. (only in act 4 nightmare atm. ) so far i have crafted quite a few things with the smithie and and everytime that #$@#%# gives me int/ str / larger gold radius when on DH and vice versa when on any other chars. It would seem he hates my guts. The cost is pretty steep too for random crafting, at some point i wanted to craft a new set of leggings since mine were getting behind for a while. cost was somewhat around 45 essences and 13 lizard eyes. yeah.... how about no. so i sincerely hope they are worth it when i reach Inferno at a point. Yeah I gave up on crafting my own gear when 4/5 pieces I craft give me as a DH +str and +int, MAYBE +vit. I've yet to craft a +dexterity piece for myself, and trust me I crafted A LOT. Same with drops. It's a damn miracle if I get meaningful numbers of +dex on gear, and if I do get some +dex, it sure as hell will be a 2h spear/axe weapon. I'm currently dressed in vendor trash and cheap occasion AH underlevel shit. I'm in hell difficulty. It's terrible. I barely have 3K dps act 1. I pretty much vendor everything, even yellows just to scrape enough money to buy some decent gear on the AH, which becomes out leveled in the next 2-5 levels. | ||
HolydaKing
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i myself am trying to play softcore without the AH because my hardcore char is way too easy so far. 15k hp and 2k dps at nightmare act2, yeah i don't nearly die so far. | ||
dAPhREAk
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akatama
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I'm finding it to be the same with the jeweler sadly, i always find gems that require 20k + tomes + 3 lower level gems for 15-20k in the AH (on EU at least; didn't search on other regions). At least they are shared with all the characters on the same region and you only have to do this once. | ||
Ahzz
Finland780 Posts
Good: -Level up only once. your alt can craft items straight from the BS, no need to transfer or anything. -at Lvl 60, you have a chance of getting some good items. For example I crafted 60 all res and 90 all stats boots on my first try. -After you find/buy the blacksmith plans for +6 random properties, you have a chance at godly items... As far as I know, dunno if its 1-3 levels below the gear in inferno act 4, but I know that it will still be GOOD Bad: -Useless on your first playthrough -Huge amounts of money better spent on AH -Usually bad before lvl 60 -Rarely offers improvement for your gear, and even if it theoretically could, you'll probaly need to craft 2-4 before you get that upgrade Conclusion: -Level it up AFTER hitting 60, AFTER you have spare gold. Once you hit 60 you'll be busy spending all your gold on inferno gear people are selling on the AH, because lets face it, hell gear sucks and hell gear doesn't help you beat inferno. | ||
Matoo-
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SCPhineas
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
it hasnt been worth it, but i cant say im broke because of it...im in act 2 hell right now and i could afford all the upgrades i needed on the AH so far and i still have some spare | ||
KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
Maybe the BS was created with early game and late late late game scenarios in mind, since the only people that seem "happy" about their gambles are those like me (noobs TT lol) and those at the top trying to find super gear. | ||
Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On May 22 2012 22:14 KobraKay wrote: Well if you guys were like me and still at level 11, in normal first time playing....level2 BS gives awesome shit :p lol. Tried 3 times and got 3 items way better (like double defense from what Im finding killing monsters) and with stats +det, +vit, +magic find and +exper between them. My DH was happy with his new gear :D Maybe the BS was created with early game and late late late game scenarios in mind, since the only people that seem "happy" about their gambles are those like me (noobs TT lol) and those at the top trying to find super gear. Thing is, the time you spent on the blacksmith, you could have spent actually playing... and when you get to lvl 13 or so, those nice items you spent quite a bit to create will be very lackluster. | ||
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Pandemona
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KobraKay
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On May 22 2012 22:17 Tobberoth wrote: Thing is, the time you spent on the blacksmith, you could have spent actually playing... and when you get to lvl 13 or so, those nice items you spent quite a bit to create will be very lackluster. What time? It takes less than a minute to do everything I've done with the BS. You make it sound like it took forever =/ And maybe in 3 levels everything is better but untill then, I have way better gear than I used to. When I get to level 13 or 14 my gear will be all different probably. That doesn't mean that right now, the stuff I got isn't better than what I had. It took me less time to get those 3 items than to post this. | ||
Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On May 22 2012 22:31 KobraKay wrote: What time? It takes less than a minute to do everything I've done with the BS. You make it sound like it took forever =/ And maybe in 3 levels everything is better but untill then, I have way better gear than I used to. When I get to level 13 or 14 my gear will be all different probably. That doesn't mean that right now, the stuff I got isn't better than what I had. It took me less time to get those 3 items than to post this. I doubt it took that fast, unless you ignore the fact that you had to salvage a ton of items for materials. Items you could have sold to the merchant and then used the money to buy even better gear off the AH. Crafting is just ridiculously wasteful until inferno where you get recepies which allow you to make items better than what you can find. Crafting before then is a huge money sink which gives you a chance at items about as good as ones you can buy on the AH way cheaper. | ||
Tobberoth
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On May 22 2012 22:23 Pandemona wrote: I have leveled it up to ermmm needed inferno to get the drops. (whatever level that is i forget) It is ok, pretty expensive but like someone else said its good for helping friends out with gear, as they can d/e there drops and give you the mats and it just costs you a couple 1k gold to create a nice level 25 legendary with (if lucky first go) imba stats for them. I havent seen anything i don't like on it yet and i think it worth it. I have my mate leveling Jewel Crafting with me too so its all good for us two, swap stuff between eachother. He DEs all his blues i give him all my jewels i find etc. Then when we need new gems for gear i crafted we swap and stuff good deal xD Not to burst the bubble or anything, but it's cheaper to buy a few of the best gems off the AH than the gold it costs to upgrade the jewelcrafter to max ![]() | ||
KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
On May 22 2012 22:33 Tobberoth wrote: I doubt it took that fast, unless you ignore the fact that you had to salvage a ton of items for materials. Items you could have sold to the merchant and then used the money to buy even better gear off the AH. Crafting is just ridiculously wasteful until inferno where you get recepies which allow you to make items better than what you can find. Crafting before then is a huge money sink which gives you a chance at items about as good as ones you can buy on the AH way cheaper. Killing monsters and getting blue items to salvage constitutes playing so Im not wasting playing time like you suggested. Of course if you count playing time killing monsters and following the dungeons it took more than 1 minute. But that is playing the game, had I sold the items it would take exactly the same time as salvage. Full back pack come to town sell whites, salvage blues go back to the dungeon. Zero play time loss since even if I didn't salvage I would have sold them and that takes exactly the same time. I didn't change anything to get those pieces. I had the money, I had the materials (you probably overstimate the requirements of low level stuff at the really low level I am lol)... I get it people that play this game faithfully dont find it useful, that's why I stated that it was probably designed with really early game (or people like me who dont know or dont care or dont want to use the AH, and I would argue that using the AH takes more time than it took to use the BS) and really late game in mind since people in between dont find it usefull. I never stated that it was usefull for everybody or that people should use it all the time. I was just saying that if you were scrubs like me (and probably lucky aswell) at level 11 you could get 3 items (so far) way better than anything else around. Yup probably wouldn't serve for longer than 3 or 4 levels, yes probably the combined 12k or 13k that those costed me (one level upgrade plus the value of salvaged items plus cost of building) would make it cheaper to buy equal or better things in the AH, but you can't say it killed my playing time or that it took playing time away from me, because it didn't. Just that ![]() | ||
Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On May 22 2012 22:57 KobraKay wrote: Killing monsters and getting blue items to salvage constitutes playing so Im not wasting playing time like you suggested. Of course if you count playing time killing monsters and following the dungeons it took more than 1 minute. But that is playing the game, had I sold the items it would take exactly the same time as salvage. Full back pack come to town sell whites, salvage blues go back to the dungeon. Zero play time loss since even if I didn't salvage I would have sold them and that takes exactly the same time. I didn't change anything to get those pieces. I had the money, I had the materials (you probably overstimate the requirements of low level stuff at the really low level I am lol)... I get it people that play this game faithfully dont find it useful, that's why I stated that it was probably designed with really early game (or people like me who dont know or dont care or dont want to use the AH, and I would argue that using the AH takes more time than it took to use the BS) and really late game in mind since people in between dont find it usefull. I never stated that it was usefull for everybody or that people should use it all the time. I was just saying that if you were scrubs like me (and probably lucky aswell) at level 11 you could get 3 items (so far) way better than anything else around. Yup probably wouldn't serve for longer than 3 or 4 levels, yes probably the combined 12k or 13k that those costed me (one level upgrade plus the value of salvaged items plus cost of building) would make it cheaper to buy equal or better things in the AH, but you can't say it killed my playing time or that it took playing time away from me, because it didn't. Just that ![]() Well, you're saying it was probably designed for the early game, I'm showing why it can't have been since using the AH or just straight up leveling is faster and more effective. If crafting was designed for the early game, it would have been way cheaper to use and would hold for more than 3-4 levels (ie 20 minutes of play). | ||
KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
On May 22 2012 23:08 Tobberoth wrote: Well, you're saying it was probably designed for the early game, I'm showing why it can't have been since using the AH or just straight up leveling is faster and more effective. If crafting was designed for the early game, it would have been way cheaper to use and would hold for more than 3-4 levels (ie 20 minutes of play). 3 or 4 levels accounts for way more than 20 minutes =/ lol at least for me. But ok I'll give you that. I was just replying to when you were stating that it would take away actual playing time and I tried to show that was not the case. The explanation I offered about the low level/early game was based on my experience and was a possibility only, not a fact. If you say that it doesn't make sense Im not going to argue with you due to lack of experience on my part, so my hypothesis on the design objective of BS is probably invalid and false. I can live with that ![]() | ||
KookyMonster
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RuskiPanda
United States2906 Posts
Where the real fun comes in is the "Exalted fine" (5 random affixes) and "Exalted grand" (6 random affixes) recipes for specifically Bracers, Shoulders and Gloves. Legs, Boots and Helmets are also quite good but can be found in loot with generally good stats whereas the former are hard to find with good affixes. Started off crafting shoulders/bracers until I got the "magic" combination of str/vit, dex/vit or int/vit with Magic Find/All Resist affixes. This combination of affixes is very desirable on the AH right now and can easily sell for hundreds of thousands to millions. Gloves can also come with attack speed and Critical modifiers (also very desirable). There is an initial investment of either finding or simply purchasing the recipes for these items as the base maxed blacksmith only has regular exalted items. Most of the "Fine Exalted" recipes are on the market right now ranging from 200k-800k depending on the item crafted. The "Grand Exalted" recipes are a different beast and rarely surface on the market. I was lucky and managed to snag Grand Exalted Glove recipe for a relatively cheap 4 million. The Grand Shoulder recipe peaked at about 80 million. Take a moment to look through the Grand recipes tab whenever searching the AH for a chance to snag one of these if you can. The final investment is actually producing these items. There is a crafting cost of about ~40-60k and inferno crafting materials. After a week, these inferno crafting materials are relatively affordable and it is usually better to just buy them on the AH for yourself than to spend time farming and salvaging for what you need. Crafting a gloves, bracers or shoulders is about 110-150k so even if you don't get the best modifiers try to at least sell it for this price (with the 15% AH fee in mind) so you can make another. The jackpot is when you get the "magic" combination of affixes that will let you produce a whole nother round of items (depending on how many free slots you have on your AH que). This practice of crafting and reselling 5-6 affix high tier Exalted items is not generally viable unless you are in Late Hell-Inferno and have easy access to funds for the initial startup. Alternatively if you have been saving money for quite some time and can max out the blacksmith the process can be started earlier. | ||
Nallen
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 23 2012 19:23 RuskiPanda wrote: Inferno demon hunter here with maxed crafting (sorry for the wall of text, its useful I promise!) ; ultimately the blacksmith is an end game tool to make money. No point in crafting gear for your low level alts when you can get much better equipment for cheaper on the AH at this point. Where the real fun comes in is the "Exalted fine" (5 random affixes) and "Exalted grand" (6 random affixes) recipes for specifically Bracers, Shoulders and Gloves. Legs, Boots and Helmets are also quite good but can be found in loot with generally good stats whereas the former are hard to find with good affixes. Started off crafting shoulders/bracers until I got the "magic" combination of str/vit, dex/vit or int/vit with Magic Find/All Resist affixes. This combination of affixes is very desirable on the AH right now and can easily sell for hundreds of thousands to millions. Gloves can also come with attack speed and Critical modifiers (also very desirable). There is an initial investment of either finding or simply purchasing the recipes for these items as the base maxed blacksmith only has regular exalted items. Most of the "Fine Exalted" recipes are on the market right now ranging from 200k-800k depending on the item crafted. The "Grand Exalted" recipes are a different beast and rarely surface on the market. I was lucky and managed to snag Grand Exalted Glove recipe for a relatively cheap 4 million. The Grand Shoulder recipe peaked at about 80 million. Take a moment to look through the Grand recipes tab whenever searching the AH for a chance to snag one of these if you can. The final investment is actually producing these items. There is a crafting cost of about ~40-60k and inferno crafting materials. After a week, these inferno crafting materials are relatively affordable and it is usually better to just buy them on the AH for yourself than to spend time farming and salvaging for what you need. Crafting a gloves, bracers or shoulders is about 110-150k so even if you don't get the best modifiers try to at least sell it for this price (with the 15% AH fee in mind) so you can make another. The jackpot is when you get the "magic" combination of affixes that will let you produce a whole nother round of items (depending on how many free slots you have on your AH que). This practice of crafting and reselling 5-6 affix high tier Exalted items is not generally viable unless you are in Late Hell-Inferno and have easy access to funds for the initial startup. Alternatively if you have been saving money for quite some time and can max out the blacksmith the process can be started earlier. This matches my general intuition about Blacksmithing from the beginning (that it's not really viable low-level, but the high demand and low availability of those hard-to-get rare plans would make it viable if you got your hands on one). Thanks for sharing your experiences. | ||
{ToT}ColmA
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yeint
Estonia2329 Posts
On May 22 2012 15:09 Velocirapture wrote: The yime when i have loved my blacksmith is when making a new character. Having a steady supply of gear that is on point with level req makes the game way more fun to redo. Or you could spend 3000g on Auction House rares every 5-10 levels, which is massively cheaper than leveling BS, not to mention the materials cost of crafting random gear. I mean if you have fun with the crafting that's fine, but it's the furthest thing from optimal or convenient. Full back pack come to town sell whites Whites vendor for like 3 gold. They're not worth picking up. I understand your impulses, I had the same ones. Sell whites, salvage blues, drool at yellows and put them in the stash for an alt. But if you look at the numbers it doesn't make any sense to do this. I started a new alt on a different region and just stopped picking up whites, vendored all blues/rares that weren't usable, and bought gear off AH. By level 20 I had over 30k gold and I was in fully gemmed rares, one shotting everything. | ||
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