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I'm not using the vortex looking fire bats rune, im using poison, its basically a 75-90 degree frontal cone, if mobs get around you you are not doing damage to them..
Basically the ai will try to get close to you, if all the spaces are ocupied they'll try to go around (you can't damage these), on top of this, some mobs (usually swarmer type enemies) will start acting like fetish do, hitting once, backing out and hitting again 2 or 3 seconds later.
By putting grasp in front of you most mobs don't ever reach you, the AI's quota is never met and they just group up and get hit by the breath.
My char has around 700 AR, 60k hp 3% lifesteal, no LoH. At anything above mp8 mobs shit all over me without some sort of control over where they stand, poison does have a drawback in that the damage starts slow and builds up (but has much better range than fire) so the first few seconds lifesteal is not in full effect.
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Just tried your poison bats out Doko, with grasp, and it was really fun. What other setup do you have with this? Passives and what not?
I just tested it on 10 packs with fire locust, 80% grasp, and those bats, the elites died really fast, only is the tiny rampup time with this though on non-elite packs, but I didnt have bears. But I really liked the playstyle having lots of buttons to push and thinking of positioning yourself with grasp.
Out in the open like in Act 3 machinima of war, how do you deal with those ranged mobs?
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Nice to see you are enjoying your WD 
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On May 15 2013 02:11 crappen wrote:
Just tried your poison bats out Doko, with grasp, and it was really fun. What other setup do you have with this? Passives and what not?
I just tested it on 10 packs with fire locust, 80% grasp, and those bats, the elites died really fast, only is the tiny rampup time with this though on non-elite packs, but I didnt have bears. But I really liked the playstyle having lots of buttons to push and thinking of positioning yourself with grasp.
Out in the open like in Act 3 machinima of war, how do you deal with those ranged mobs?
passives: gruesome feast, grave injustice, blood ritual. First two are obvious, blood ritual is mostly to keep you from going oom too fast when interrupted by knockback or if you have to move a lot for any reason. The starting mana cost for bats is really high. Could remove it with 4p zuni. Don't have it to test
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Bats, voodoo (slam), soul harvest (with whatever), grasp (with whatever), last 2 two are up to you. personally I take dogs and acid rain and dogs/spirit walk for high mp, confusion and sacrifice(pride) for groups. I don't really do act 3 anymore but ranged or not it hardly matters if you drop a grasp on their feet and walk next to them. Dogs help a lot with tanking missiles.
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On May 15 2013 10:41 Doko wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 02:11 crappen wrote:
Just tried your poison bats out Doko, with grasp, and it was really fun. What other setup do you have with this? Passives and what not?
I just tested it on 10 packs with fire locust, 80% grasp, and those bats, the elites died really fast, only is the tiny rampup time with this though on non-elite packs, but I didnt have bears. But I really liked the playstyle having lots of buttons to push and thinking of positioning yourself with grasp.
Out in the open like in Act 3 machinima of war, how do you deal with those ranged mobs?
passives: gruesome feast, grave injustice, blood ritual. First two are obvious, blood ritual is mostly to keep you from going oom too fast when interrupted by knockback or if you have to move a lot for any reason. The starting mana cost for bats is really high. Could remove it with 4p zuni. Don't have it to test Active: Bats, voodoo (slam), soul harvest (with whatever), grasp (with whatever), last 2 two are up to you. personally I take dogs and acid rain and dogs/spirit walk for high mp, confusion and sacrifice(pride) for groups. I don't really do act 3 anymore but ranged or not it hardly matters if you drop a grasp on their feet and walk next to them. Dogs help a lot with tanking missiles.
Cheers. It seems that Blood ritual was not necessary, as I have 4p zuni, and the 2 spells which you said was up to me, I used pestilence and spirit walk. Pestilence is so awesome for pulling, I dont think I can do without this awesome spell. As a passive instead of Blood ritual, I experimented a bit with just Bad Medicine. I dont know if its any good, just seems good on paper. With grasp (Death is life) I get to have dogs out to tank some missiles, its quite nice.
And with my gear and low level MP(3-4) farming, I ended up with Cloud of Bats instead. http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/crippen-2563/hero/1695717
When it comes to gear, Im just completely lost. I have no idea what piece to shift out, and I feel I cant give up any of my Pickup radius, as I have 14 now. I only have 1.5mill as well, hoping for that one item to give me a push. Also heard about some gold duping, so no idea if AH prices are fucked now. Any gear you would recommend me to switch out if I had 10-20mill only? What piece of gear do you guys usually have your pickup radius on?
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swap out your gloves and bracers next.
craft bracers until you have high intel and higher crit chance plus whatever AR/armour/vit/life etc you can get
craft or buy gloves with high int, crit chance and crit damage.
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Thanks DhakhaR. I made some crafts, and what I am wearing is what I got out of it. Didnt get so much vit/life out of it, nor any AR, but for now it would do. Im all out of demonic essence
What I am curious about, is how to get those 240k dps numbers up. Im only at 130k now, and Black Gun's budget WD that is suppose to only cost 200mill, was sitting at 240k dps. What would I need to improve in my gear to reach such dps? I farm MP5 now pretty easy, and fast. I can die at some really hard hitting mobs, but usually the specc allows me to press spirit walk often enough to never let that happen. I also have Spirit Vessel just incase, and I just run around everywhere using pestilence to draw all mobs.
I do not have head with crit, but looking at the AH, that nets me about 12k dps, so not sure where my gear is suffering.
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On May 19 2013 02:24 crappen wrote:Thanks DhakhaR. I made some crafts, and what I am wearing is what I got out of it. Didnt get so much vit/life out of it, nor any AR, but for now it would do. Im all out of demonic essence What I am curious about, is how to get those 240k dps numbers up. Im only at 130k now, and Black Gun's budget WD that is suppose to only cost 200mill, was sitting at 240k dps. What would I need to improve in my gear to reach such dps? I farm MP5 now pretty easy, and fast. I can die at some really hard hitting mobs, but usually the specc allows me to press spirit walk often enough to never let that happen. I also have Spirit Vessel just incase, and I just run around everywhere using pestilence to draw all mobs. I do not have head with crit, but looking at the AH, that nets me about 12k dps, so not sure where my gear is suffering.
my 200mil wd does 240k sheet dps when at 5 soul harvest stacks and bbv slam dance.  without that, he's at about 150k dps w/o soj.
and i checked the skorn prices yesteray: i purchased mine for 8.5m, but since then, the prices for this kind of skorn seem to have ramped up quite a bit - a similar one would at least cost 30m now, maybe even more.
edit: your gloves, even though they have awesome vit, are a huge bummer to your dps. you can get much more out of the gloves. additionally, your helm is ofc lacking cc and your chest has way too low vit. (this is where you can compensate the vit that you lose on the gloves! )
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your amu is very bad. just craft some vit amus, you will soon roll one that is an improvment over your current one. dont worry too much about cc or cd until you have a much higher overall gear level.
its a bit of an issue that you only have ~1m atm, crafting a better amu might take 10-30 tries if you are unlucky. but this is by far the biggest gap in your gear, so i think this is still worth it, compared to marginal upgrades on other gearslots.
edit: and stay the hell away from mp1 for now! you WILL die there with this gear.
edit2: and change pierce the veil for another passive. pierce the veil is total garbage for 99% of wds out there. maybe it would also be helpful to read one or two guides about wds.
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On May 19 2013 07:34 Black Gun wrote:your amu is very bad. just craft some vit amus, you will soon roll one that is an improvment over your current one. dont worry too much about cc or cd until you have a much higher overall gear level. its a bit of an issue that you only have ~1m atm, crafting a better amu might take 10-30 tries if you are unlucky. but this is by far the biggest gap in your gear, so i think this is still worth it, compared to marginal upgrades on other gearslots. edit: and stay the hell away from mp1 for now! you WILL die there with this gear. edit2: and change pierce the veil for another passive. pierce the veil is total garbage for 99% of wds out there. maybe it would also be helpful to read one or two guides about wds.
oh i wont die, im pretty gawd at games you know :D
but thanks for the gear tips, crafting isnt possible at this point, i dont have a bunch of millions lying around, i just restarted hardcore completly with around 40k gold starting. think i did pretty well for this so far, lol^^
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On May 20 2013 04:59 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 07:34 Black Gun wrote:your amu is very bad. just craft some vit amus, you will soon roll one that is an improvment over your current one. dont worry too much about cc or cd until you have a much higher overall gear level. its a bit of an issue that you only have ~1m atm, crafting a better amu might take 10-30 tries if you are unlucky. but this is by far the biggest gap in your gear, so i think this is still worth it, compared to marginal upgrades on other gearslots. edit: and stay the hell away from mp1 for now! you WILL die there with this gear. edit2: and change pierce the veil for another passive. pierce the veil is total garbage for 99% of wds out there. maybe it would also be helpful to read one or two guides about wds. oh i wont die, im pretty gawd at games you know :D but thanks for the gear tips, crafting isnt possible at this point, i dont have a bunch of millions lying around, i just restarted hardcore completly with around 40k gold starting. think i did pretty well for this so far, lol^^
yes, you certainly did. but its simply a fact that your ehp and dps can double with the next 5 millions (or so) that you spend, so i would be super careful for now.
and i stay with my prediction: if you continued to farm on mp1 with this gear, you would die within the next few weeks. but as i said above: you will quickly find the gold for upgrades.
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On May 20 2013 07:59 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 04:59 KalWarkov wrote:On May 19 2013 07:34 Black Gun wrote:your amu is very bad. just craft some vit amus, you will soon roll one that is an improvment over your current one. dont worry too much about cc or cd until you have a much higher overall gear level. its a bit of an issue that you only have ~1m atm, crafting a better amu might take 10-30 tries if you are unlucky. but this is by far the biggest gap in your gear, so i think this is still worth it, compared to marginal upgrades on other gearslots. edit: and stay the hell away from mp1 for now! you WILL die there with this gear. edit2: and change pierce the veil for another passive. pierce the veil is total garbage for 99% of wds out there. maybe it would also be helpful to read one or two guides about wds. oh i wont die, im pretty gawd at games you know :D but thanks for the gear tips, crafting isnt possible at this point, i dont have a bunch of millions lying around, i just restarted hardcore completly with around 40k gold starting. think i did pretty well for this so far, lol^^ yes, you certainly did. but its simply a fact that your ehp and dps can double with the next 5 millions (or so) that you spend, so i would be super careful for now. and i stay with my prediction: if you continued to farm on mp1 with this gear, you would die within the next few weeks. but as i said above: you will quickly find the gold for upgrades.
ye, i will be super careful. i progressed to butcher, but instead of killing him in mp1, i left the game and i w8 for small upgrades to kill him in mp0
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So I made some updates to my character, namely new chest with more vitality (with a little less int unfortunately, gear is pretty expensive), and crafted some new gloves that gave me 5.8k more dps, but lost a lot of vitality. Still I am at around 54k hp.
How is my resistance btw? Im not sure what sweet spot I should put my resistance and even armor in. Does dodge have any say in all this? I have 16% dodge now.
Also if I where to look for a new weapon, which is unlikely now since I need to wait for a new item that sells for hundreds of mills, how much emphasis should I place on life steal percentage, and crit damage?
And thank you so much for guiding me, my WD has gotten tons of improvements thanks to your guidance, and Wakadodo that had me going. But your WD 200mill budget char is the one I have been looking at mostly when figuring out things.
edit: Yes I am still crafting gloves at every turn, hoping for a good trifecta
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Wow, your Roflaren is gearing up fast!
As for AR and armor. While buffed on SH, GF and Horrify-freigthning aspect it's still very possible to die if one wants to in MP10. All I can really say is something like, 60k hp, 600AR and 4k armour are nice goals(I dont even follow this at all times). Dodge is of course nice, but its not possible in an efficient enough manner to be viable imo.
Get good #s on both crit dmg and LS. The item will retain it's value better then something with uneven stats in my experience. Only accept "bonus affix'" to be low-average. If you think finding a weapon will take time. Then I strongly recommend you look at the AH often to get a feel for the items worth. That way you will eventually make a good deal.
Frankly, that is the best tip I can give anyone who wants to spend a substantial time with D3.
The better deals you make, the better you will do, in everything.
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i think a decent amu for your neck with cc / cd / as or at least 2 of these stats would be nice,
also a weapon with cd and a socket would be great as well!
new Pants with 2 sockets would also be nice to get some extra int
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you can easily craft some bracers and shoulders that are better than yours.
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Just leveled my WD to 60 and equipped him. Pretty funny how cheap you can get gear. I build it off 10m Budget 87k dps/300k EHP Guide.
http://d3up.com/b/775148
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The Zuni Chest is not bad for the money. At least I didn't waste alot of money, because I probably will not play the WD more than 1-2 Levels.
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