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On May 22 2012 08:41 NB wrote:
btw, FA doesnt block mobs enrage timer. Meaning that champions still 1 shot you if you cant kill them fast enough. Enrage in D3 works like a negative buff on the player instead of a giant dmg buff on the mobs.
This is annoying indeed. You also need enough DPS to kill the butcher in 2 minutes or you just die with a FA build. That's not so hard with ray of frost, cold blooded and glass cannon though.
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On May 22 2012 07:55 hkf wrote:
Let me put it simply.
FORCE ARMOR WILL NOT BE NERFED
Why?
Look at wizards skills.
Look at all other class skills.
Look back at wizards skills again.
What's the difference? Every other class has at least one 'active' damage reduction skill.
If you nerf FA to uselessness, what do wizards have? Diamond skin that goes away in .1 seconds? Would wizard damage have to be buffed to sky high levels to compensate? Most likely.
You can play a wizard just fine with the energy armor rune + 40% to all resistances. That is still a great buff to surviveability and if you do get a sensible amount of vitality you can play inferno probably as well as the other classes. That is very hard though as the mobs just do insane damage if you don't break the game in some way.
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I don't have much understanding about Wizard(wizard alt @ lv 41), but the way in hell and inferno is using some kind of abusive build only? I know about the Force armor build and now the Crit build.
For those that in inferno, do you think that Wizard will be about to play with a more normal build (+vit + int + resistance) given that you farm/buy enough items for such build?
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On May 22 2012 19:07 Caphe wrote:
I don't have much understanding about Wizard(wizard alt @ lv 41), but the way in hell and inferno is using some kind of abusive build only? I know about the Force armor build and now the Crit build.
For those that in inferno, do you think that Wizard will be about to play with a more normal build (+vit + int + resistance) given that you farm/buy enough items for such build?
i'm in A2 inferno and i am doing fine with a "normal" build, though i do have to run around enemies a lot more than i'd like to. i have 40k hp // 14k dps
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On May 22 2012 19:07 Caphe wrote:
I don't have much understanding about Wizard(wizard alt @ lv 41), but the way in hell and inferno is using some kind of abusive build only? I know about the Force armor build and now the Crit build.
For those that in inferno, do you think that Wizard will be about to play with a more normal build (+vit + int + resistance) given that you farm/buy enough items for such build?
the FA+crit+life steal is extremely abusive and requires a lot of money investments into gears shopping.
Without crit or life steal, the basic life regen (with the passive skill) + diamond skin + FA is already way enough for you to solo any boss in inferno (i just solo butcher last night). The problem with buying vit + int is that you have to share the items slots for 2 stats instead of 1. So instead of getting 1000 int, you get 500 int and 500 vit. Worst part is: boss and champions still 1 shot you regardless of your HP in inferno. I tried to party killing butcher before solo it... our DH and wiz has 20k 30k HP and all die to 1 pudge hit...
The point is: FA is extremely cost efficient atm and its your choice to invest moneys to abuse it to the extreme or not.
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On May 22 2012 19:21 Inori wrote:
I think they will eventually add a cooldown to FA proc, like bring back 35% health once every 5 seconds..
That probably wouldn't stop the build from being OP against bosses though, since they hit so slow.
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On May 22 2012 19:17 ZoW wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 19:07 Caphe wrote:
I don't have much understanding about Wizard(wizard alt @ lv 41), but the way in hell and inferno is using some kind of abusive build only? I know about the Force armor build and now the Crit build.
For those that in inferno, do you think that Wizard will be about to play with a more normal build (+vit + int + resistance) given that you farm/buy enough items for such build?
i'm in A2 inferno and i am doing fine with a "normal" build, though i do have to run around enemies a lot more than i'd like to. i have 40k hp // 14k dps
Do you mind link your "normal" build?
I'm started on Act 2 inferno yesterday and it went pretty good but it nice to know what everyone else are using for Act 2.
You seems to have much more HP than i do as well.
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On May 22 2012 19:27 xrayEU wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 19:17 ZoW wrote:On May 22 2012 19:07 Caphe wrote:
I don't have much understanding about Wizard(wizard alt @ lv 41), but the way in hell and inferno is using some kind of abusive build only? I know about the Force armor build and now the Crit build.
For those that in inferno, do you think that Wizard will be about to play with a more normal build (+vit + int + resistance) given that you farm/buy enough items for such build?
i'm in A2 inferno and i am doing fine with a "normal" build, though i do have to run around enemies a lot more than i'd like to. i have 40k hp // 14k dps Do you mind link your "normal" build? I'm started on Act 2 inferno yesterday and it went pretty good but it nice to know what everyone else are using for Act 2. You seems to have much more HP than i do as well.
here
basically i throw down hydra, then kite/cover with the slow/freeze effect of blizzard while spaming shock orbs. as for my hp every equip i have gives some sort of +vit
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Any1 else having problems that FA randomly doesn't work (Most likely bug). Been farming aspects at a4 inferno and a few times i've been 1 shotted even when I have it on. Only remaking game fixes it, if I try again in that game i just keep getting 1 shotted with FA on.
Happened first time today, did the same bosses ton of times yesterday (<12h ago) with it never happening.
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On May 22 2012 20:01 Mammel wrote:
Any1 else having problems that FA randomly doesn't work (Most likely bug). Been farming aspects at a4 inferno and a few times i've been 1 shotted even when I have it on. Only remaking game fixes it, if I try again in that game i just keep getting 1 shotted with FA on.
Happened first time today, did the same bosses ton of times yesterday (<12h ago) with it never happening.
Sorry for asking too much, but what´s your stats and build if you are farming act4 inferno?
I like to compare to others that farming act2-4.
And at the moment i have 14k dps so i think i have the required dps to clear act 2 as solo wiz with the right build?
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On May 22 2012 20:07 xrayEU wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 20:01 Mammel wrote:
Any1 else having problems that FA randomly doesn't work (Most likely bug). Been farming aspects at a4 inferno and a few times i've been 1 shotted even when I have it on. Only remaking game fixes it, if I try again in that game i just keep getting 1 shotted with FA on.
Happened first time today, did the same bosses ton of times yesterday (<12h ago) with it never happening. Sorry for asking too much, but what´s your stats and build if you are farming act4 inferno? I like to compare to others that farming act2-4. And at the moment i have 14k dps so i think i have the required dps to clear act 2 as solo wiz with the right build?
27k dps 0 vita but those bosses are absolute joke and drop nice weapons. 1 with 300k hp (lol) and another one (1 of 3 random ones) with 900-1100k. Theres no trash mobs either, just 2 bosses and reset.
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As of this mornings downtime certain mob types attacks go straight through force armor.... awesome, hope its just a bug, game so hard when you rely on diamond skin cooldown to survive the most basic of things
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On May 22 2012 20:01 Mammel wrote:
Any1 else having problems that FA randomly doesn't work (Most likely bug). Been farming aspects at a4 inferno and a few times i've been 1 shotted even when I have it on. Only remaking game fixes it, if I try again in that game i just keep getting 1 shotted with FA on.
Happened first time today, did the same bosses ton of times yesterday (<12h ago) with it never happening.
maybe you're confused with the enrage timer, i was at first.
If you take too long to kill they get a huge range DoT effect that instantly kills 0 vit wizard builds. Basically you have to kill mobs in a couple minutes or you just die and have to wait a minute for the effect to go away.
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The crit build was already posted a few pages back. Roll back to see the comment 
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On May 22 2012 21:26 Caphe wrote:The crit build was already posted a few pages back. Roll back to see the comment
Thanks, I'll look for it.
These kind of things should be listed in OP.
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On May 22 2012 18:59 Markwerf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 07:55 hkf wrote:
Let me put it simply.
FORCE ARMOR WILL NOT BE NERFED
Why?
Look at wizards skills.
Look at all other class skills.
Look back at wizards skills again.
What's the difference? Every other class has at least one 'active' damage reduction skill.
If you nerf FA to uselessness, what do wizards have? Diamond skin that goes away in .1 seconds? Would wizard damage have to be buffed to sky high levels to compensate? Most likely. You can play a wizard just fine with the energy armor rune + 40% to all resistances. That is still a great buff to surviveability and if you do get a sensible amount of vitality you can play inferno probably as well as the other classes. That is very hard though as the mobs just do insane damage if you don't break the game in some way.
If this FA 'bug' is indeed a stealth nerf pretty much gonna be done with wizards :\
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On May 22 2012 21:26 Caphe wrote:The crit build was already posted a few pages back. Roll back to see the comment
A bit skeptical on that build. Try and do anything (anything at all) to inferno elite/champion packs with that build. You will be dead man in 5 sec.
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ok FA is nerfed it seems.
From what i can tell and hear FA in inferno now only works if the hit wouldn't one hit you.
In other words it seems to be completely useless now.
1 hour ago i was doing just fine, now i get 1 shotted by white mobs with diamond skin up. Have to completely retool build i guess.
Edit: if it's true then I guess high armor, high resistance, high vitality with prismatic armor is the way to go then. You should be able to get about the same surviveability as other classes. Too bad I don't have any such gear though 
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