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goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
November 17 2012 14:11 GMT
#3621
I'm a little curious how quickly others are able to farm exp atm. I'm able to get ~67mil exp/hour atm using a somewhat standard ball lightning/hungering arrow type build on act 3 MP0.

Especially versus some of these other builds (e.g. multishot, strafe), how does that compare?
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 17 2012 15:38 GMT
#3622
in mp0 multishot will be faster. especially if you are constrained by movespeed. you can kill elite groups in 2~ multishot crits
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Mana101
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia12 Posts
November 18 2012 03:54 GMT
#3623
Ok, so I'm a bit unsure on what to upgrade next for my DH

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/PKring-6591/hero/18835212

I'm thinking of getting either Inna's pants, Nat's boots or Nat's ring next, but I don't know which will increase my DPS the most. I currently have around 2.5mil. I'd also like to maintain my MF if at all possible
gutshot
Profile Joined February 2011
United States429 Posts
November 18 2012 04:58 GMT
#3624
On November 18 2012 00:38 oneofthem wrote:
in mp0 multishot will be faster. especially if you are constrained by movespeed. you can kill elite groups in 2~ multishot crits

i think it depends on which type of weapon you are using, xbow/manti - multishot, bow/1h xbow - ball lightening
gutshot
Profile Joined February 2011
United States429 Posts
November 18 2012 04:59 GMT
#3625
On November 17 2012 23:11 goodkarma wrote:
I'm a little curious how quickly others are able to farm exp atm. I'm able to get ~67mil exp/hour atm using a somewhat standard ball lightning/hungering arrow type build on act 3 MP0.

Especially versus some of these other builds (e.g. multishot, strafe), how does that compare?

man 67m/h seems a lot, how do you make this happen? i guess not picking up rares at all?
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-18 11:56:20
November 18 2012 11:43 GMT
#3626
On November 18 2012 13:59 gutshot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 23:11 goodkarma wrote:
I'm a little curious how quickly others are able to farm exp atm. I'm able to get ~67mil exp/hour atm using a somewhat standard ball lightning/hungering arrow type build on act 3 MP0.

Especially versus some of these other builds (e.g. multishot, strafe), how does that compare?

man 67m/h seems a lot, how do you make this happen? i guess not picking up rares at all?


Yeah. I don't really bother with rares anymore. Used to pick up amulets and rings still but stopped doing that too. 99.9% of rares aren't worth that much. I would rather be paragon leveling / legendary farming than messing with that.

On November 18 2012 00:38 oneofthem wrote:
in mp0 multishot will be faster. especially if you are constrained by movespeed. you can kill elite groups in 2~ multishot crits


I've played a bit with multishot but I don't seem to be able to do so as efficiently. With both ball of lightning and multishot 1-2 shots and all trash dies, but the shot pattern of multishot is something I never got accustomed to (especially the shorter range...). I'm not convinced that you can speed run better with it. With ball of lightning I can shoot a shot a direction toward enemies I just vaulted past (that would be out of range of multishot), and keep going knowing that they died.

I understand how theoretically ball lightning might be better for bows and multi for x-bow due to attack speed differences, but it seems to work better for me. What kind of xp/hour can you get with multishot build? The only vid I could find using it got like 45mil/hour .
spetial
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States688 Posts
November 21 2012 18:44 GMT
#3627
This is my DH OiGimchi. She wants to upgrade but isnt sure where to start. I only have 2mil gold atm and Im wondering where to start the upgrade process. Id like to go for Innas + Nats + mempo + lacuni + vile ward + witching hour. Is that gonna take too long to put the Geebees together? Should I just buy a better bow first or better ammy/rings? arghhh
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JustJonny
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada294 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 00:54:16
November 21 2012 19:26 GMT
#3628
i am also in need of another gear check if someone would be so kind. i was thinking of saving for a lower end witching hour. i have ~17 million right now so it wouldn't take all that long. is that a good direction? any other thoughts?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/JustJonny-1849/hero/5453646

edit - disregard. bit the bullet and picked up witching hour (+14500 damage, - 5700 life, -63AR) and a new pair of boots to get 60AR back. god i'm awful at saving my gold
gutshot
Profile Joined February 2011
United States429 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-21 20:23:12
November 21 2012 20:20 GMT
#3629
On November 18 2012 20:43 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 13:59 gutshot wrote:
On November 17 2012 23:11 goodkarma wrote:
I'm a little curious how quickly others are able to farm exp atm. I'm able to get ~67mil exp/hour atm using a somewhat standard ball lightning/hungering arrow type build on act 3 MP0.

Especially versus some of these other builds (e.g. multishot, strafe), how does that compare?

man 67m/h seems a lot, how do you make this happen? i guess not picking up rares at all?


Yeah. I don't really bother with rares anymore. Used to pick up amulets and rings still but stopped doing that too. 99.9% of rares aren't worth that much. I would rather be paragon leveling / legendary farming than messing with that.

Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 00:38 oneofthem wrote:
in mp0 multishot will be faster. especially if you are constrained by movespeed. you can kill elite groups in 2~ multishot crits


I've played a bit with multishot but I don't seem to be able to do so as efficiently. With both ball of lightning and multishot 1-2 shots and all trash dies, but the shot pattern of multishot is something I never got accustomed to (especially the shorter range...). I'm not convinced that you can speed run better with it. With ball of lightning I can shoot a shot a direction toward enemies I just vaulted past (that would be out of range of multishot), and keep going knowing that they died.

I understand how theoretically ball lightning might be better for bows and multi for x-bow due to attack speed differences, but it seems to work better for me. What kind of xp/hour can you get with multishot build? The only vid I could find using it got like 45mil/hour .


I think you need like 70 crit chance(included the bonus from quiver) for multishot to be comparable to ball lightening and you have to use a xbow even then. of course it may be better than BL at that point but i have never really liked multishot, especially the fact that it has short range as you mentioned/cant hit backwards/cant pierce through mobs.

so whats your plan when you hit p100? isn't it for better farming? are you going to start picking rares again? why not just do that as you level up?
OhNeverMind
Profile Joined October 2010
United States90 Posts
November 22 2012 01:36 GMT
#3630
On November 22 2012 03:44 spetial wrote:
This is my DH OiGimchi. She wants to upgrade but isnt sure where to start. I only have 2mil gold atm and Im wondering where to start the upgrade process. Id like to go for Innas + Nats + mempo + lacuni + vile ward + witching hour. Is that gonna take too long to put the Geebees together? Should I just buy a better bow first or better ammy/rings? arghhh


since movespeed caps at 25 it is somewhat of a waste to try and go for both inna's and lacuni, probably best bet just to pick one and get more survival on the other piece. If I were you I'd focus on increasing your crit chance so that you make better use of crit damage on the manticore. Ammy's are pretty cheap now and you can get high crit chance with crit damage for cheap so I'd upgrade that or your ring with the socket first.

Being able to skip using Sharpshooter really helps open up passives that help farming (like tactical advantage, or vengeance).



WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
November 22 2012 01:57 GMT
#3631
On November 22 2012 10:36 OhNeverMind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 03:44 spetial wrote:
This is my DH OiGimchi. She wants to upgrade but isnt sure where to start. I only have 2mil gold atm and Im wondering where to start the upgrade process. Id like to go for Innas + Nats + mempo + lacuni + vile ward + witching hour. Is that gonna take too long to put the Geebees together? Should I just buy a better bow first or better ammy/rings? arghhh


since movespeed caps at 25 it is somewhat of a waste to try and go for both inna's and lacuni, probably best bet just to pick one and get more survival on the other piece. If I were you I'd focus on increasing your crit chance so that you make better use of crit damage on the manticore. Ammy's are pretty cheap now and you can get high crit chance with crit damage for cheap so I'd upgrade that or your ring with the socket first.

Being able to skip using Sharpshooter really helps open up passives that help farming (like tactical advantage, or vengeance).




A good Lacuni's is still better than any other bracer because of the 8% attack speed. That said, unless you have a ton of cash to throw around, you won't afford a good Lacuni.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 22 2012 06:04 GMT
#3632
So according to diabloprogress, 316/500 of the top DH use backup plan for preparation. I've been using invigoration this entire time, however it seems that very few other ppl use it (6/500 of top 500). I tried using backup plan, but it feel so much weaker due to unreliability. Why do people use backup plan? The way I see it, you only need enough discipline to last until the next preparation. Invigoration will allow that 100% of the time while backup plan only 30% of the time.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
November 22 2012 06:26 GMT
#3633
On November 22 2012 15:04 Chairman Ray wrote:
So according to diabloprogress, 316/500 of the top DH use backup plan for preparation. I've been using invigoration this entire time, however it seems that very few other ppl use it (6/500 of top 500). I tried using backup plan, but it feel so much weaker due to unreliability. Why do people use backup plan? The way I see it, you only need enough discipline to last until the next preparation. Invigoration will allow that 100% of the time while backup plan only 30% of the time.



I use backup plan because sometimes (although rarely) I do in fact get disc.-deprived when farming act 3. This is mainly due to my fairly small (42) disc pool and my obsession with spamming vault as fast as my finger allows. I normally only run out in large enemy-less stretches where I can't get the disc regen I need from my passives off of mobs. But it does happen, and when it does I find that the additional chance that prep. will be actually be up when I need it is well worth it. A mere 10 extra disc wouldn't be enough to get me out of those spots as quickly.

Since farming is all about speed these days, from an efficiency viewpoint, backup provides that extra disc in the long term so that I can get off more vaults and complete alk runs faster. I can see spots, however where invigoration might be optimal. Like in uber boss gloom tank scenarios where that extra disc in fact needs to be consistent for gloom to be kept up...


Disclaimer: I am more like a top 5000 demon hunter. But that is my thought process for choosing backup plan.

Hope that helps
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 22 2012 06:38 GMT
#3634
On November 22 2012 15:26 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 15:04 Chairman Ray wrote:
So according to diabloprogress, 316/500 of the top DH use backup plan for preparation. I've been using invigoration this entire time, however it seems that very few other ppl use it (6/500 of top 500). I tried using backup plan, but it feel so much weaker due to unreliability. Why do people use backup plan? The way I see it, you only need enough discipline to last until the next preparation. Invigoration will allow that 100% of the time while backup plan only 30% of the time.



I use backup plan because sometimes (although rarely) I do in fact get disc.-deprived when farming act 3. This is mainly due to my fairly small (42) disc pool and my obsession with spamming vault as fast as my finger allows. I normally only run out in large enemy-less stretches where I can't get the disc regen I need from my passives off of mobs. But it does happen, and when it does I find that the additional chance that prep. will be actually be up when I need it is well worth it. A mere 10 extra disc wouldn't be enough to get me out of those spots as quickly.

Since farming is all about speed these days, from an efficiency viewpoint, backup provides that extra disc in the long term so that I can get off more vaults and complete alk runs faster. I can see spots, however where invigoration might be optimal. Like in uber boss gloom tank scenarios where that extra disc in fact needs to be consistent for gloom to be kept up...


Disclaimer: I am more like a top 5000 demon hunter. But that is my thought process for choosing backup plan.

Hope that helps


Thank you for your feedback, I can definitely see lower disc pools benefiting from backup plan, but what about higher disc pools? I am currently sitting at 50 disc, 60 with invigoration. For farming MP0-MP1, I can keep tactical advantage speed boost up persistently between mobs, while for ubers, it gives me just enough to keep gloom up perpetually. I'm wondering if there's a way I can further increase my farming efficiency through backup plan if there's a way to dump a lot of discipline. Since most of the top 500 DH probably have 50+ discipline and are using backup plan, there must be some benefit of using it over invigoration.
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
November 22 2012 08:04 GMT
#3635
Are you Talking top 500 dps or paragon?
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 22 2012 08:13 GMT
#3636
On November 22 2012 17:04 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
Are you Talking top 500 dps or paragon?


Just checked, dps, paragon, and heroscore on diabloprogress. They are all quite similar.
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
November 22 2012 08:56 GMT
#3637
I just asked because i don't think that the top dps dhs Run around with 50+ disc.
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
zuqbu
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany797 Posts
November 22 2012 09:27 GMT
#3638
On November 22 2012 10:57 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 10:36 OhNeverMind wrote:
On November 22 2012 03:44 spetial wrote:
This is my DH OiGimchi. She wants to upgrade but isnt sure where to start. I only have 2mil gold atm and Im wondering where to start the upgrade process. Id like to go for Innas + Nats + mempo + lacuni + vile ward + witching hour. Is that gonna take too long to put the Geebees together? Should I just buy a better bow first or better ammy/rings? arghhh


since movespeed caps at 25 it is somewhat of a waste to try and go for both inna's and lacuni, probably best bet just to pick one and get more survival on the other piece. If I were you I'd focus on increasing your crit chance so that you make better use of crit damage on the manticore. Ammy's are pretty cheap now and you can get high crit chance with crit damage for cheap so I'd upgrade that or your ring with the socket first.

Being able to skip using Sharpshooter really helps open up passives that help farming (like tactical advantage, or vengeance).




A good Lacuni's is still better than any other bracer because of the 8% attack speed. That said, unless you have a ton of cash to throw around, you won't afford a good Lacuni.


if by good lacuni, you mean a godly one with >=5% cc and 150 dex, yes. below the few hundred millions you would need to buy such a beast anything else is better. attack speed is about the last stat you want to build up, while it boost your character sheet dps, it does nothing for your damage per hatred spent.
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
November 22 2012 14:49 GMT
#3639
On November 22 2012 18:27 zuqbu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 10:57 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On November 22 2012 10:36 OhNeverMind wrote:
On November 22 2012 03:44 spetial wrote:
This is my DH OiGimchi. She wants to upgrade but isnt sure where to start. I only have 2mil gold atm and Im wondering where to start the upgrade process. Id like to go for Innas + Nats + mempo + lacuni + vile ward + witching hour. Is that gonna take too long to put the Geebees together? Should I just buy a better bow first or better ammy/rings? arghhh


since movespeed caps at 25 it is somewhat of a waste to try and go for both inna's and lacuni, probably best bet just to pick one and get more survival on the other piece. If I were you I'd focus on increasing your crit chance so that you make better use of crit damage on the manticore. Ammy's are pretty cheap now and you can get high crit chance with crit damage for cheap so I'd upgrade that or your ring with the socket first.

Being able to skip using Sharpshooter really helps open up passives that help farming (like tactical advantage, or vengeance).




A good Lacuni's is still better than any other bracer because of the 8% attack speed. That said, unless you have a ton of cash to throw around, you won't afford a good Lacuni.


if by good lacuni, you mean a godly one with >=5% cc and 150 dex, yes. below the few hundred millions you would need to buy such a beast anything else is better. attack speed is about the last stat you want to build up, while it boost your character sheet dps, it does nothing for your damage per hatred spent.

Damage per hatred spent isn't very meaningful anymore. If you can one-shot MP0 mobs, that's enough, and in really high MPs you're more likely to be running a face-tanking build where you'll be holding down the left-click.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
November 22 2012 15:51 GMT
#3640
On November 22 2012 15:04 Chairman Ray wrote:
So according to diabloprogress, 316/500 of the top DH use backup plan for preparation. I've been using invigoration this entire time, however it seems that very few other ppl use it (6/500 of top 500). I tried using backup plan, but it feel so much weaker due to unreliability. Why do people use backup plan? The way I see it, you only need enough discipline to last until the next preparation. Invigoration will allow that 100% of the time while backup plan only 30% of the time.

Invigoration is better if you have 30 max disc, backup plan with 35+.

Invigoration = 10 extra max disc = 33% extra > 30% backup plan expected disc value.

And then invigoration has the added benefit of being consistent.
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