Especially versus some of these other builds (e.g. multishot, strafe), how does that compare?
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
Especially versus some of these other builds (e.g. multishot, strafe), how does that compare? | ||
oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Mana101
Australia12 Posts
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/PKring-6591/hero/18835212 I'm thinking of getting either Inna's pants, Nat's boots or Nat's ring next, but I don't know which will increase my DPS the most. I currently have around 2.5mil. I'd also like to maintain my MF if at all possible ![]() | ||
gutshot
United States429 Posts
On November 18 2012 00:38 oneofthem wrote: in mp0 multishot will be faster. especially if you are constrained by movespeed. you can kill elite groups in 2~ multishot crits i think it depends on which type of weapon you are using, xbow/manti - multishot, bow/1h xbow - ball lightening | ||
gutshot
United States429 Posts
On November 17 2012 23:11 goodkarma wrote: I'm a little curious how quickly others are able to farm exp atm. I'm able to get ~67mil exp/hour atm using a somewhat standard ball lightning/hungering arrow type build on act 3 MP0. Especially versus some of these other builds (e.g. multishot, strafe), how does that compare? man 67m/h seems a lot, how do you make this happen? i guess not picking up rares at all? | ||
goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On November 18 2012 13:59 gutshot wrote: man 67m/h seems a lot, how do you make this happen? i guess not picking up rares at all? Yeah. I don't really bother with rares anymore. Used to pick up amulets and rings still but stopped doing that too. 99.9% of rares aren't worth that much. I would rather be paragon leveling / legendary farming than messing with that. On November 18 2012 00:38 oneofthem wrote: in mp0 multishot will be faster. especially if you are constrained by movespeed. you can kill elite groups in 2~ multishot crits I've played a bit with multishot but I don't seem to be able to do so as efficiently. With both ball of lightning and multishot 1-2 shots and all trash dies, but the shot pattern of multishot is something I never got accustomed to (especially the shorter range...). I'm not convinced that you can speed run better with it. With ball of lightning I can shoot a shot a direction toward enemies I just vaulted past (that would be out of range of multishot), and keep going knowing that they died. I understand how theoretically ball lightning might be better for bows and multi for x-bow due to attack speed differences, but it seems to work better for me. What kind of xp/hour can you get with multishot build? The only vid I could find using it got like 45mil/hour ![]() | ||
spetial
United States688 Posts
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JustJonny
Canada294 Posts
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/JustJonny-1849/hero/5453646 edit - disregard. bit the bullet and picked up witching hour (+14500 damage, - 5700 life, -63AR) and a new pair of boots to get 60AR back. god i'm awful at saving my gold ![]() | ||
gutshot
United States429 Posts
On November 18 2012 20:43 goodkarma wrote: Yeah. I don't really bother with rares anymore. Used to pick up amulets and rings still but stopped doing that too. 99.9% of rares aren't worth that much. I would rather be paragon leveling / legendary farming than messing with that. I've played a bit with multishot but I don't seem to be able to do so as efficiently. With both ball of lightning and multishot 1-2 shots and all trash dies, but the shot pattern of multishot is something I never got accustomed to (especially the shorter range...). I'm not convinced that you can speed run better with it. With ball of lightning I can shoot a shot a direction toward enemies I just vaulted past (that would be out of range of multishot), and keep going knowing that they died. I understand how theoretically ball lightning might be better for bows and multi for x-bow due to attack speed differences, but it seems to work better for me. What kind of xp/hour can you get with multishot build? The only vid I could find using it got like 45mil/hour ![]() I think you need like 70 crit chance(included the bonus from quiver) for multishot to be comparable to ball lightening and you have to use a xbow even then. of course it may be better than BL at that point but i have never really liked multishot, especially the fact that it has short range as you mentioned/cant hit backwards/cant pierce through mobs. so whats your plan when you hit p100? isn't it for better farming? are you going to start picking rares again? why not just do that as you level up? | ||
OhNeverMind
United States90 Posts
On November 22 2012 03:44 spetial wrote: This is my DH OiGimchi. She wants to upgrade but isnt sure where to start. I only have 2mil gold atm and Im wondering where to start the upgrade process. Id like to go for Innas + Nats + mempo + lacuni + vile ward + witching hour. Is that gonna take too long to put the Geebees together? Should I just buy a better bow first or better ammy/rings? arghhh since movespeed caps at 25 it is somewhat of a waste to try and go for both inna's and lacuni, probably best bet just to pick one and get more survival on the other piece. If I were you I'd focus on increasing your crit chance so that you make better use of crit damage on the manticore. Ammy's are pretty cheap now and you can get high crit chance with crit damage for cheap so I'd upgrade that or your ring with the socket first. Being able to skip using Sharpshooter really helps open up passives that help farming (like tactical advantage, or vengeance). | ||
WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On November 22 2012 10:36 OhNeverMind wrote: since movespeed caps at 25 it is somewhat of a waste to try and go for both inna's and lacuni, probably best bet just to pick one and get more survival on the other piece. If I were you I'd focus on increasing your crit chance so that you make better use of crit damage on the manticore. Ammy's are pretty cheap now and you can get high crit chance with crit damage for cheap so I'd upgrade that or your ring with the socket first. Being able to skip using Sharpshooter really helps open up passives that help farming (like tactical advantage, or vengeance). A good Lacuni's is still better than any other bracer because of the 8% attack speed. That said, unless you have a ton of cash to throw around, you won't afford a good Lacuni. | ||
Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On November 22 2012 15:04 Chairman Ray wrote: So according to diabloprogress, 316/500 of the top DH use backup plan for preparation. I've been using invigoration this entire time, however it seems that very few other ppl use it (6/500 of top 500). I tried using backup plan, but it feel so much weaker due to unreliability. Why do people use backup plan? The way I see it, you only need enough discipline to last until the next preparation. Invigoration will allow that 100% of the time while backup plan only 30% of the time. I use backup plan because sometimes (although rarely) I do in fact get disc.-deprived when farming act 3. This is mainly due to my fairly small (42) disc pool and my obsession with spamming vault as fast as my finger allows. I normally only run out in large enemy-less stretches where I can't get the disc regen I need from my passives off of mobs. But it does happen, and when it does I find that the additional chance that prep. will be actually be up when I need it is well worth it. A mere 10 extra disc wouldn't be enough to get me out of those spots as quickly. Since farming is all about speed these days, from an efficiency viewpoint, backup provides that extra disc in the long term so that I can get off more vaults and complete alk runs faster. I can see spots, however where invigoration might be optimal. Like in uber boss gloom tank scenarios where that extra disc in fact needs to be consistent for gloom to be kept up... Disclaimer: I am more like a top 5000 demon hunter. But that is my thought process for choosing backup plan. Hope that helps ![]() | ||
Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On November 22 2012 15:26 goodkarma wrote: I use backup plan because sometimes (although rarely) I do in fact get disc.-deprived when farming act 3. This is mainly due to my fairly small (42) disc pool and my obsession with spamming vault as fast as my finger allows. I normally only run out in large enemy-less stretches where I can't get the disc regen I need from my passives off of mobs. But it does happen, and when it does I find that the additional chance that prep. will be actually be up when I need it is well worth it. A mere 10 extra disc wouldn't be enough to get me out of those spots as quickly. Since farming is all about speed these days, from an efficiency viewpoint, backup provides that extra disc in the long term so that I can get off more vaults and complete alk runs faster. I can see spots, however where invigoration might be optimal. Like in uber boss gloom tank scenarios where that extra disc in fact needs to be consistent for gloom to be kept up... Disclaimer: I am more like a top 5000 demon hunter. But that is my thought process for choosing backup plan. Hope that helps ![]() Thank you for your feedback, I can definitely see lower disc pools benefiting from backup plan, but what about higher disc pools? I am currently sitting at 50 disc, 60 with invigoration. For farming MP0-MP1, I can keep tactical advantage speed boost up persistently between mobs, while for ubers, it gives me just enough to keep gloom up perpetually. I'm wondering if there's a way I can further increase my farming efficiency through backup plan if there's a way to dump a lot of discipline. Since most of the top 500 DH probably have 50+ discipline and are using backup plan, there must be some benefit of using it over invigoration. | ||
InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3468 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On November 22 2012 17:04 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: Are you Talking top 500 dps or paragon? Just checked, dps, paragon, and heroscore on diabloprogress. They are all quite similar. | ||
InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3468 Posts
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zuqbu
Germany797 Posts
On November 22 2012 10:57 WolfintheSheep wrote: A good Lacuni's is still better than any other bracer because of the 8% attack speed. That said, unless you have a ton of cash to throw around, you won't afford a good Lacuni. if by good lacuni, you mean a godly one with >=5% cc and 150 dex, yes. below the few hundred millions you would need to buy such a beast anything else is better. attack speed is about the last stat you want to build up, while it boost your character sheet dps, it does nothing for your damage per hatred spent. | ||
WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On November 22 2012 18:27 zuqbu wrote: if by good lacuni, you mean a godly one with >=5% cc and 150 dex, yes. below the few hundred millions you would need to buy such a beast anything else is better. attack speed is about the last stat you want to build up, while it boost your character sheet dps, it does nothing for your damage per hatred spent. Damage per hatred spent isn't very meaningful anymore. If you can one-shot MP0 mobs, that's enough, and in really high MPs you're more likely to be running a face-tanking build where you'll be holding down the left-click. | ||
Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On November 22 2012 15:04 Chairman Ray wrote: So according to diabloprogress, 316/500 of the top DH use backup plan for preparation. I've been using invigoration this entire time, however it seems that very few other ppl use it (6/500 of top 500). I tried using backup plan, but it feel so much weaker due to unreliability. Why do people use backup plan? The way I see it, you only need enough discipline to last until the next preparation. Invigoration will allow that 100% of the time while backup plan only 30% of the time. Invigoration is better if you have 30 max disc, backup plan with 35+. Invigoration = 10 extra max disc = 33% extra > 30% backup plan expected disc value. And then invigoration has the added benefit of being consistent. | ||
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