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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 13 2012 21:07 GMT
#3581
if moving faster is not very necessary then you may not have the correct priorities in farming.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
November 13 2012 21:15 GMT
#3582
On November 14 2012 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 05:48 Pokebunny wrote:
On November 14 2012 05:36 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On November 14 2012 04:47 Chairman Ray wrote:
On November 14 2012 04:19 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I have a couple general questions, if someone could help please.

I haven't been able to find solid data for life steal vs life on hit anywhere really, it's all theory. I know that in inferno Life steal is only 20% efficient. I don't want to go out and buy a 60mil weapon to compare, is eventually when you reach 200kdps+ lifesteal better?

And my other question, is which set items are the best if I'm using pieces that cost between 100-200mil. It seems like Inna's Legs, and Natalya boots, and then it changes up a bit. I think I'll be farming mp1 and mp2 a3 for quick farms, so survivability doesn't seem super crucial, currently 45k hp (dead man's quiver is nice vitality boost ^^) and 400AR and reflect damage is the only thing that I really have trouble with. So I see many people use Inna's Belt, and Nat's Cloak, and surprisingly many people don't actually go for the 130 dex bonus from nat's 3-piece. Is it worth buying the ring or helm? Or better go for that one that causes fire damage?

Just trying to have a solid plan on what pieces I need so I don't have to spend hundreds of mils reconfiguring my set after its built due to inefficiency. Thank you


Life steal and life on hit aren't vital stats on a DH. For farming, you get more than enough hp regen from all the health globes. Gloom is also an instant full heal. Also take note that life on hit is nerfed for skills that hit multiple targets. Ball lighting will only heal partially per tick.

For set items, I would recommend Inna's pants, and 2 piece nats (no helm and ring), and eventually get the ring. The helm is quite underwhelming, so you lose a lot of stats just to get a set bonus. A nats helm with crit is super expensive as well. I would go for Andarials or Mempo. Most economical would be a dex andarials with socket. The ring is good, but nats rings with extra offensive stat rolls on it are way too expensive. An soj is also an alternative for farming, but an soj with good stats on it is crazy expensive as well. I would just go for a rare ring for now and let a nats ring be the last item you upgrade to.


I was hoping some solid jewellery would be my final upgrade, guess not haha. And alright, that's what I have right now, but the belt get Inna's or just a regular rare?

Even in MP1+MP2 against damage reflect with extra health, sometimes I am unable to kill them because my health goes too low and I need to heal up. I have some pretty high healing stats, 1k LoH, 1.2k regen/sec, 2.5k life after kill, and I would think that getting a lower end trifecta ammy(current ammy 8crit, 58crit damage, 9ias%, 850 LoH, no dex or vit -.-) with LoH/Lifesteal and mid dex might be good. But that costing around 300mil for what I'm looking for I was thinking of getting Life Steal, which is a significantly cheaper.


Currently I'm just trying to work my dex up without sacrificing too much, as I have 1700dex, and 59% crit (with scoundral follower), and 550% crit damage (two-socket manti ^^).

On November 14 2012 04:49 serum321 wrote:
The ring would be the better option for natalya's 3 pc so you could wear an andy's or preferably mempo's in head if you didn't want to get both the nats ring and helm for 20 extra disc. Nats rings can be pricey though.


Do people really like the discipline that much? I'd much rather have an extra 20 dex than 20 discipline. High ias and evasive fire will bring your hatred up in like 3 seconds, and multishot can fill your discipline very quick, not to mention a couple items that increase its regen.

You'd rather have 20 dex than 20 discipline? Have you ever even played with 45+ max disc? I'm not the world's biggest proponent of paying a large premium for max disc, but... if you can get it in exchange for 20 dex at the same price, I sure as hell would.


Well during farming what benefit does it have. I haven't had the need to use smokescreen once, and I prefer impale + evasive fire as I'm just not close to dying... ever. And my only other spell that uses discipline is vault, so I suppose I can move quicker with more of it, but not very necessary imo.

The only use for it I see it more gloom when fighting reflect mobs.

Not sure its because I just prefer low mp1-2, and I'm doing heart of sin runs, but at this point survival isn't an issue, especially after the nerf when phase beasts only hit 10k~.

Well, there's no reason to use smokescreen period. The point is you literally want to be vaulting or at tactical advantage movespeed 100% of the time that you are not attacking, and still have disc for gloom when you need it.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-13 21:25:33
November 13 2012 21:22 GMT
#3583
On November 14 2012 06:15 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On November 14 2012 05:48 Pokebunny wrote:
On November 14 2012 05:36 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On November 14 2012 04:47 Chairman Ray wrote:
On November 14 2012 04:19 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I have a couple general questions, if someone could help please.

I haven't been able to find solid data for life steal vs life on hit anywhere really, it's all theory. I know that in inferno Life steal is only 20% efficient. I don't want to go out and buy a 60mil weapon to compare, is eventually when you reach 200kdps+ lifesteal better?

And my other question, is which set items are the best if I'm using pieces that cost between 100-200mil. It seems like Inna's Legs, and Natalya boots, and then it changes up a bit. I think I'll be farming mp1 and mp2 a3 for quick farms, so survivability doesn't seem super crucial, currently 45k hp (dead man's quiver is nice vitality boost ^^) and 400AR and reflect damage is the only thing that I really have trouble with. So I see many people use Inna's Belt, and Nat's Cloak, and surprisingly many people don't actually go for the 130 dex bonus from nat's 3-piece. Is it worth buying the ring or helm? Or better go for that one that causes fire damage?

Just trying to have a solid plan on what pieces I need so I don't have to spend hundreds of mils reconfiguring my set after its built due to inefficiency. Thank you


Life steal and life on hit aren't vital stats on a DH. For farming, you get more than enough hp regen from all the health globes. Gloom is also an instant full heal. Also take note that life on hit is nerfed for skills that hit multiple targets. Ball lighting will only heal partially per tick.

For set items, I would recommend Inna's pants, and 2 piece nats (no helm and ring), and eventually get the ring. The helm is quite underwhelming, so you lose a lot of stats just to get a set bonus. A nats helm with crit is super expensive as well. I would go for Andarials or Mempo. Most economical would be a dex andarials with socket. The ring is good, but nats rings with extra offensive stat rolls on it are way too expensive. An soj is also an alternative for farming, but an soj with good stats on it is crazy expensive as well. I would just go for a rare ring for now and let a nats ring be the last item you upgrade to.


I was hoping some solid jewellery would be my final upgrade, guess not haha. And alright, that's what I have right now, but the belt get Inna's or just a regular rare?

Even in MP1+MP2 against damage reflect with extra health, sometimes I am unable to kill them because my health goes too low and I need to heal up. I have some pretty high healing stats, 1k LoH, 1.2k regen/sec, 2.5k life after kill, and I would think that getting a lower end trifecta ammy(current ammy 8crit, 58crit damage, 9ias%, 850 LoH, no dex or vit -.-) with LoH/Lifesteal and mid dex might be good. But that costing around 300mil for what I'm looking for I was thinking of getting Life Steal, which is a significantly cheaper.


Currently I'm just trying to work my dex up without sacrificing too much, as I have 1700dex, and 59% crit (with scoundral follower), and 550% crit damage (two-socket manti ^^).

On November 14 2012 04:49 serum321 wrote:
The ring would be the better option for natalya's 3 pc so you could wear an andy's or preferably mempo's in head if you didn't want to get both the nats ring and helm for 20 extra disc. Nats rings can be pricey though.


Do people really like the discipline that much? I'd much rather have an extra 20 dex than 20 discipline. High ias and evasive fire will bring your hatred up in like 3 seconds, and multishot can fill your discipline very quick, not to mention a couple items that increase its regen.

You'd rather have 20 dex than 20 discipline? Have you ever even played with 45+ max disc? I'm not the world's biggest proponent of paying a large premium for max disc, but... if you can get it in exchange for 20 dex at the same price, I sure as hell would.


Well during farming what benefit does it have. I haven't had the need to use smokescreen once, and I prefer impale + evasive fire as I'm just not close to dying... ever. And my only other spell that uses discipline is vault, so I suppose I can move quicker with more of it, but not very necessary imo.

The only use for it I see it more gloom when fighting reflect mobs.

Not sure its because I just prefer low mp1-2, and I'm doing heart of sin runs, but at this point survival isn't an issue, especially after the nerf when phase beasts only hit 10k~.

Well, there's no reason to use smokescreen period. The point is you literally want to be vaulting or at tactical advantage movespeed 100% of the time that you are not attacking, and still have disc for gloom when you need it.


Fair enough.

God dammit, Blizzard can't change the time they are doing internal testing from 1pm to 3pm after 1pm PST can they? Dammit -__-. The two free hours I had today. Very irresponsible from them ...
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serum321
Profile Joined January 2012
United States606 Posts
November 13 2012 22:03 GMT
#3584
Do people really like the discipline that much? I'd much rather have an extra 20 dex than 20 discipline. High ias and evasive fire will bring your hatred up in like 3 seconds, and multishot can fill your discipline very quick, not to mention a couple items that increase its regen.


Well it all depends on your setup, I was lucky to get an uber nat's ring and I didn't have a nice mempo or socketed andy's so it was worth it to me to lose about 8k from the rare helmet I was wearing to get 20 extra disc. The fear on nat's helm actually is pretty nice also.
Marshall_D
Profile Joined November 2008
United States196 Posts
November 14 2012 01:32 GMT
#3585
I really like the nats boots nats ring combo, as well as the innas pants and chest combo.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/MarshallD-1209/hero/1084764
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
November 14 2012 16:58 GMT
#3586
On November 14 2012 10:32 Marshall_D wrote:
I really like the nats boots nats ring combo, as well as the innas pants and chest combo.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/MarshallD-1209/hero/1084764



Why don't you be a man and kill Diablo already?
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
Like a Boss
Profile Joined January 2011
502 Posts
November 15 2012 00:20 GMT
#3587
Is Strafe bugged? It's suppose to do 156% damage and its doing less damage than hungering arrow which does 115% damage, like way less damage.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
November 15 2012 00:25 GMT
#3588
On November 15 2012 09:20 Like a Boss wrote:
Is Strafe bugged? It's suppose to do 156% damage and its doing less damage than hungering arrow which does 115% damage, like way less damage.

Strafe does its damage in several smaller hits, like Rapid Fire.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 15 2012 00:58 GMT
#3589
it's not bugged, it just sucks.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Tilorn91
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia218 Posts
November 15 2012 01:01 GMT
#3590
Seeing as how I'm entering the "upgrades now cost 9 digits" zone, I'm looking for advice on what are my priorities and what would be most cost efficient in gain / cost.

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Tilorn-1602/hero/4721668

Thanks!
Butcherski
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland446 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 02:31:28
November 15 2012 01:27 GMT
#3591
On November 15 2012 10:01 Tilorn91 wrote:
Seeing as how I'm entering the "upgrades now cost 9 digits" zone, I'm looking for advice on what are my priorities and what would be most cost efficient in gain / cost.

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Tilorn-1602/hero/4721668

Thanks!



IMO best upgrades would be Innas belt with high dex+vit roll and nats ring with high crit dmg roll

my profile for reference http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Butcherski-2702/hero/438358
"Well Tasteless, i once met a three-toed sloth with good marauder control " - Artosis
PaNiCterrran
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden47 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 15:37:54
November 15 2012 08:09 GMT
#3592
On November 15 2012 10:27 Butcherski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 10:01 Tilorn91 wrote:
Seeing as how I'm entering the "upgrades now cost 9 digits" zone, I'm looking for advice on what are my priorities and what would be most cost efficient in gain / cost.

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Tilorn-1602/hero/4721668

Thanks!



IMO best upgrades would be Innas belt with high dex+vit roll and nats ring with high crit dmg roll

my profile for reference http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Butcherski-2702/hero/438358

Inna's Favor is the way to go imo. You win so much dps and there is not much better unless you want to spent 50 million on The Witching Hour
One One One Build, To Rule Them All!
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
November 15 2012 09:45 GMT
#3593
On November 15 2012 10:01 Tilorn91 wrote:
Seeing as how I'm entering the "upgrades now cost 9 digits" zone, I'm looking for advice on what are my priorities and what would be most cost efficient in gain / cost.

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Tilorn-1602/hero/4721668

Thanks!


inna's belt, replace your left ring with a decent Nat's. Your weapon is pretty bad too. A 1350 dps cd 1sock xbow would give you 10k dps or so.
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
gutshot
Profile Joined February 2011
United States429 Posts
November 15 2012 10:59 GMT
#3594
On November 14 2012 10:32 Marshall_D wrote:
I really like the nats boots nats ring combo, as well as the innas pants and chest combo.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/MarshallD-1209/hero/1084764


how much your nats ring? and your hellfire omg i've had no luck so far making like 20 yet =/
also do you feel comfortable with only 40 disc?
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
November 15 2012 18:09 GMT
#3595
On November 15 2012 19:59 gutshot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 10:32 Marshall_D wrote:
I really like the nats boots nats ring combo, as well as the innas pants and chest combo.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/MarshallD-1209/hero/1084764


how much your nats ring? and your hellfire omg i've had no luck so far making like 20 yet =/
also do you feel comfortable with only 40 disc?

"Only" 40? 30 is cake if you use night stalker..
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HeadHunterzzzz
Profile Joined June 2012
24 Posts
November 15 2012 18:57 GMT
#3596
which are the best stats/dps to farm mp5 or higer mp?
Tilorn91
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia218 Posts
November 15 2012 20:19 GMT
#3597
80mil for a 1340dps 10% as 91chd, one socket good price?
gutshot
Profile Joined February 2011
United States429 Posts
November 15 2012 20:38 GMT
#3598
On November 16 2012 03:09 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 19:59 gutshot wrote:
On November 14 2012 10:32 Marshall_D wrote:
I really like the nats boots nats ring combo, as well as the innas pants and chest combo.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/MarshallD-1209/hero/1084764


how much your nats ring? and your hellfire omg i've had no luck so far making like 20 yet =/
also do you feel comfortable with only 40 disc?

"Only" 40? 30 is cake if you use night stalker..

well Im usually vaulting around for low mp runs, and I feel like one shotting white mobs doesn't really give me advantage of using night stalker =/
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
November 15 2012 20:58 GMT
#3599
If you 1 shot white mobs you should be using vengeance instead of night stalker
Warmonger
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States69 Posts
November 15 2012 21:22 GMT
#3600
On November 16 2012 05:58 ArC_man wrote:
If you 1 shot white mobs you should be using vengeance instead of night stalker


On top of that, I'm a huge fan of Multishot - Suppressive Fire when you have the necessary dps.
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