The Ideal Party for diablo 3 - Solved - Page 3

On March 03 2012 18:37 dacthehork wrote:

It's actually pretty easy for an expert to solve a system like this and find imbalanced combinations. Also it will be fun to see when they nerf this stuff.

On March 04 2012 04:48 dacthehork wrote:


wrong

Mantra of Conviction +24% damage taken by enemies
2x Hex - +24% damage dealt to hexed enemy
Big Bad Voodoo 1-2x - +30% damage Dealt, +20% attack speed.
Mass Confusion - +20% damage taken
Vision Quest passive - 300% mana regen - 3x the casting of dps mana skill
Blood Ritual - 15% less mana costs for even more spam of high damage mana skill
Guiding Light - +16% damage dealt

266% weapon damage - spell casted 3.45x as often with +16% damage, +30% damage, +20% damage,+24 damage + 24% damage ideally, adds up.

There is no real reason to have more than 1-2 skills to dump mana into for damage on a WD, especially with vision quest, who be casting 1/3rd the normal spells through a variety of meh stuff, just cast the best one 3x as much.

Lashing Tail Kick with stun and Acid Cloud are pretty much the only spenders you need for damage, they dont have cooldowns, so there is no real reason to have two or three spenders.

Vision Quest is a broken passive, blood ritual is pretty broken too. Also this damage is transferred to the dogs, fetishes, etc too. I mean you can make small tweaks depending on the balance of the actual game but this pretty much is abusing everything broken in the game. Also the idea is inferno is ridiculously hard, being able to reliable walk through the difficulty will be very important. Having unkillable tanks for shit like duriel is also key, Basically no downtime, less risk, etc So you can quickly rush through to inferno and farm. Pure damage or "killing" time isn't as important, you only need 1 or so damage skill a player, lashing tail kick / acid cloud. The idea is simply do the most powerful things you can in any format.

I think all three of the last passives mentioned will be revised, (blood ritual, guiding light, and vision quest)

Talking to Wyatt about this a little more and he brought up some good, additional points.

You will not be farming bosses. Bosses won't drop the best loot, they won't even drop really great loot. Part of Inferno and our intent with getting people out into the world and hunting and killing lots of different things is putting the best loot on rare and champion packs, and the great thing about rare and champion packs is they have random affixes. They're like a box of chocolates. Murderous, snarling, blood-soaked chocolates. You're not going up against a boss where you know "Build A" is the best way to minmax against it because it has abilities and resistances X, Y, and Z. What is the best build vs. an "Arcane Enchanted, Teleporter, Frozen, Knockback" skeleton pack? Got that figured out? Cause it's not going to be the best against the next pack you come across, and you're going to want to kill that one just as much.

You might have a specialized build that is super strong against some of these things, and not against others. Your focus is going to be on the balance between taking on all of these possibilities and surviving, and it's that balance that makes for a ton of interesting options and variance.

The one question mark for a lot of people, and maybe even us, is what stops someone from seeing a pack, backing out (or dying) and swapping out to be better equipped to handle it? We agree that shouldn't be the best way to play, but know it's something we can solve pretty easily, even if it's just making the swapping cooldown longer in later difficulties.

In any case, his point was that you could absolutely make the best build against one type of enemy, and that build could completely fail against another. It's not D2 where you pump all your points into one ability, we're going for some depth in our combat, but it's your choice of tools (and there are a lot of them) that will define your character versus another.

On March 07 2012 03:15 Gescom wrote:
OP has autism, not his fault.

On March 07 2012 06:44 cLutZ wrote:
I do not know that this is the perfect team, I don't have the skills or time to know that. What I certainly agree with is that the Monk is a fundamentally flawed class, much like the Ret Paladin during Vanilla and TBC WoW.

If you recall, the Ret Paladin was a joke, however it also was a rollface pubstomping machine because of Seal of Command, particularly after the introduction of Crusader Strike. In other words, it was balanced on the blade of a knife. The monk has many of the same characteristics: IMO it will either be a fairly weak or fairly OP class depending on item level and the numbers on its auras and skills at release.

The OP recognizes the ability of the Monk to be overpowered, but IMO with a couple of alterations to scaling it is just as likely to be a complete joke.

On March 07 2012 06:44 cLutZ wrote:
I do not know that this is the perfect team, I don't have the skills or time to know that. What I certainly agree with is that the Monk is a fundamentally flawed class, much like the Ret Paladin during Vanilla and TBC WoW.

If you recall, the Ret Paladin was a joke, however it also was a rollface pubstomping machine because of Seal of Command, particularly after the introduction of Crusader Strike. In other words, it was balanced on the blade of a knife. The monk has many of the same characteristics: IMO it will either be a fairly weak or fairly OP class depending on item level and the numbers on its auras and skills at release.

The OP recognizes the ability of the Monk to be overpowered, but IMO with a couple of alterations to scaling it is just as likely to be a complete joke.

On March 04 2012 08:00 dacthehork wrote:


April 17th.

There is only resistances, no immunities.

On March 09 2012 11:51 inReacH wrote:


Quoted from a Blizzard employee, just as punctuation on your perm ban

On March 09 2012 21:52 gugarutz wrote:


you cant compare this, wow is a game based on group play and especially vanilla wasn't balanced on a class/player level but on a group level, and compared to nowadays very badly back then^^ (for example druids got a spot in raids ONLY for innervate which they had to spec for so they where forced into that spec etc etc.)

and in wow blizzard is imo balancing weird on purpose so it keeps the player interested, one patch this class is op another patch another op class (expect warlocks lol - always op)

While dac might have gone overboard with the theorycrafting, I don't believe for a second that Blizzard will solve the min/max issues. They've been making that claim forever in WoW and they've never even gotten close to it. There will be a most efficient build for every class that covers the most number of bases, and it'll become a cookie cutter for everyone else.

On March 18 2012 22:58 Kenpark wrote:


I dont think it is a big problem if there are cookie cutter builds. In WoW you had to spec in a certain way to get into raids, But this isnt WoW. You wont need every char minmaxed or specific group setups or even skype to beat the content.