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On April 17 2011 03:32 GagnarTheUnruly wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 03:29 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
Jeez another one? This is starting to get old, of course this is no fault of NASL's just overall disappointing. Not exactly true. One of the things they're paid (big money) for is to organize matches. This is the third match this week that is a forfeit due to scheduling errors. Once in a while this is going to happen, but this scheduling problem is a systematic one. NASL is entirely to blame.
I think if they played 5 days, rest 1 day, they could have rescheduled some of the matched during the rest day.
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On April 17 2011 05:59 Zanno wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 05:50 eXigent. wrote:On April 17 2011 05:47 Zanno wrote:
why not just have a make-up day at the end of the season at this point That would be a great idea. If they set aside 1 week after all the group play, for all of the W.O's to be played. The downside to doing that is that more players will assume they can put the NASL on the back burner over another tournament happening at the sametime, and still be able to make up their matches later on. This would most certainly lead to some amount of abuse, and alot of work for the NASL people to deal with. i think it's desireable to the current arrangement, because this will cause scoring drama down the road the way the scoring works in NASL is you get 2 points for a 2-0, and -2 points for an 0-2, then 1 and -1 for 2-1 and 1-2. for example, if one player goes 4-5 and another goes 4-4, the player who missed his match could win depending on the win % i'd say an absolute worst case scenario would be if there was a situation where the player who wins the group goes 8-0 and the second place player goes 8-1 with a walkover on the first place player you can see how messy this can get you could penalize them by not televising the matches, but at the rate the walkovers are piling up this isnt the correct solution
Yeah I see what your saying, and that can certainly become quite a problem indeed. Its too bad they didnt think of these things ahead of time. They should of started their recordings like 3-4 weeks BEFORE the actual leagye started, so that they were constantly 4 weeks ahead of their current broadcast, and wouldnt run into these sort of problems (including the filimg 1 day before then hoping the encoding goes perfectly within the next 24hours). It just seems that they dont leave themselves much room for errors to happen, which as everyone knows with that many variables, they are bound to come about sooner or later. Overall it would be nice to see them try and film 3-4 weeks in advance if at all possible.
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Oh, that's too bad. :/
These things are unavoidable in a league with so many players from all different regions in addition to its ambitiously packed schedule, but they still suck.
You just know the NASL guys are most miffed about this. These games are the lifeblood of the league and the main appeal, losing any of them is a blow.
On April 17 2011 06:08 Pixilated wrote:Wow, this is starting to become a real problem. I was so excited for all three of the games that have been canceled so far... D: These cancellations plus the lag issues in some of the other games (where the casters joined as observers and they couldn't tell the players to pause), combined with the poor VOD system/spoiler-filled website is starting to make me regret the $25 I paid for this. Maybe GSL is the way to go. 
Well, since you already paid the money perhaps it would behoove you to wait how the league develops from here. Remember, we're at day 3 out of 50. 
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On April 17 2011 06:08 Pixilated wrote:Wow, this is starting to become a real problem. I was so excited for all three of the games that have been canceled so far... D: These cancellations plus the lag issues in some of the other games (where the casters joined as observers and they couldn't tell the players to pause), combined with the poor VOD system/spoiler-filled website is starting to make me regret the $25 I paid for this. Maybe GSL is the way to go.
To quote Charlie Sheen... "'I already got your money, dude!"
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On April 17 2011 05:01 Mohdoo wrote:
I posted this in another thread that ended up being a duplicate, which is why it got locked, so posting here:
This is getting to be too much. NASL wants to maintain their integrity as an organization by being firm with this stuff, but they are accomplishing the opposite. By having 3 matches so far not even happen, they are really hurting their prestige.
So far, the following huge names haven't been able to play their matches:
Naniwa
July
WhiteRa
MC
These players in specific were quite the hype-creators. If the NASL doesn't bend its rules to accommodate a player in the event of this happening again, I'll be extremely disappointed. The NASL needs the players just as badly, if not MORE than the players need them. There are a lot of other tournaments going on with big names, so the NASL is really hurting its image compared to these other tournaments by missing out on these big names playing in their league. I know they have a tight schedule and that there are reasons this happened. But the NASL can change that. I bought my NASL ticket, and although Moon vs Grubby alone was able to make it worth it, I sure as hell expected a lot more.
I realize it is easy to play the blame game, but that isn't even the biggest issue here. It is in NASL's best interest to have all these super hyped games played. Even though players need to be more responsible, without these really hyped matches, the NASL is hurting its self.
Yep, I'm in Australia so NASL scheduling was already difficult for me to be interested but without those players ............ my interest is basically at 0 now.
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Ok I read through this thread and I have to introduce some urgently needed logic into this thread. For starters, schedules are designed to avoid conflicts with other scheduled events. Tournaments, leagues, you name it, there's a lot going on and NASL like any other league would logically keep that in mind the best they can.
That being said, would anyone find it acceptable for a player to skip dreamhack for NASL? would anyone find it acceptable for not to show up to a night of broadcasting on GSL for NASL? I think the overwhelming majority would say no. Therefore, if NASL is ever to be as top tier as the rest, why should it be their duty to schedule around all the other events if the other events aren't going to schedule around NASL?
Ironically too, so many people demanded the BEST matches therefore the BEST players instead of keeping it more North American centric to avoid things like scheduling conflicts.
On April 17 2011 04:55 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 04:41 Pudge_172 wrote:
This is why NASL needs to go to an all offline tournament located in California Yes, let's fly in 50 players for 12 weeks from all over the world so they cannot compete in any other LAN tournaments. That certainly makes sense.
Really? Last time I checked, that's essentially what GSL players do and moreso, that was a large reason BW players would focus entirely on their leagues rather than tournaments overseas.
People are failing to realize if NASL moves matches around it starts conflicting with other events, practice for upcoming matches in other leagues, and so on. The absolute BEST solution is for the players and their managing staff to help determine what they can and cannot play in. Guess what, nowadays we have GSL, MLG, dreamhack and other similar one off tournaments, NASL, and soon forthcoming even another one..the IGN pro league. You simply run into a logistical brickwall of not being able to be involved in all events and leagues.
I understand this is a game played on the internet, but what you have to realize too is that it takes time and delicate handling of schedules. If there's football leagues in 10 countries a player isn't gonna try to participate in all of them because its not feasible. That's why when for example IdrA was playing in GSL he wasn't going to really any tournaments elsewhere because its a matter of feasability.
For the sake of everything at stake, the biggest responsibility is on the players to bend to it all, not the organizations. Otherwise it digs into other events, potential free time and so on. Its reality, its being mature, and not finger pointing because a player didn't think ahead.
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These things happen. Do you guys think the GSL would have delayed their schedule if a player didn't show?
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On April 17 2011 06:46 Wolf wrote:These things happen. Do you guys think the GSL would have delayed their schedule if a player didn't show? + Show Spoiler +
They have rescheduled games for players who travel for other tournaments on multiple occasions
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On April 17 2011 06:52 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:46 Wolf wrote:These things happen. Do you guys think the GSL would have delayed their schedule if a player didn't show? + Show Spoiler + They have rescheduled games for players who travel for other tournaments on multiple occasions
They have? I don't think so. I've watched every single GSL match since season two, so unless it happened in season one, it never happened.
Edit: They may have scheduled it so certain players don't have to play on certain days, but that is because the players came to them with the problem far in advance, which is not the issue here.
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On April 17 2011 06:52 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:46 Wolf wrote:These things happen. Do you guys think the GSL would have delayed their schedule if a player didn't show? + Show Spoiler + They have rescheduled games for players who travel for other tournaments on multiple occasions
This is probably false. In fact, I specifically remember IdrA not being able to attend a foreign tournament because the GSL wouldnt let him reschedule.
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On April 17 2011 06:52 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:46 Wolf wrote:These things happen. Do you guys think the GSL would have delayed their schedule if a player didn't show? + Show Spoiler + They have rescheduled games for players who travel for other tournaments on multiple occasions
You don't remember IdrA and Dreamhack, do you. The NASL is no better or worse than the GSL on scheduling.
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On April 17 2011 06:54 Voltaire wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:52 floor exercise wrote:On April 17 2011 06:46 Wolf wrote:These things happen. Do you guys think the GSL would have delayed their schedule if a player didn't show? + Show Spoiler + They have rescheduled games for players who travel for other tournaments on multiple occasions They have? I don't think so. I've watched every single GSL match since season two, so unless it happened in season one, it never happened. Edit: They may have scheduled it so certain players don't have to play on certain days, but that is because the players came to them with the problem far in advance, which is not the issue here.
As I recall, IdrA had to cancel an appearance at some European tournament because GSL wouldn't reschedule his match despite having been made aware of the conflict well in advance. However, that may have just been IdrA - people don't generally like to do favors for assholes after all.
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On April 17 2011 06:57 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 06:54 Voltaire wrote:On April 17 2011 06:52 floor exercise wrote:On April 17 2011 06:46 Wolf wrote:These things happen. Do you guys think the GSL would have delayed their schedule if a player didn't show? + Show Spoiler + They have rescheduled games for players who travel for other tournaments on multiple occasions They have? I don't think so. I've watched every single GSL match since season two, so unless it happened in season one, it never happened. Edit: They may have scheduled it so certain players don't have to play on certain days, but that is because the players came to them with the problem far in advance, which is not the issue here. As I recall, IdrA had to cancel an appearance at some European tournament because GSL wouldn't reschedule his match despite having been made aware of the conflict well in advance.
Yeah, he did.
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Only further illustrates my post about what I was saying how no one else finds it ok (nor does it happen) for players to reschedule other events for NASL, it has to go both way..two way street.
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The IdrA and Dreamhack situation was worse in my opinion, because GSL told him he could attend but then changed their minds. It's unfortunate that all this is going on. No ones really to blame, shit happens (except for the Naniwa situational).
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On April 17 2011 06:46 Wolf wrote:These things happen. Do you guys think the GSL would have delayed their schedule if a player didn't show? + Show Spoiler +
Well you cant really compare NASL to GSL its like comparing division 6 to the World Cup, well allmost the refs in the lower divisions actually get there players to play!!
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On April 17 2011 06:41 Alizee- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2011 04:55 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 17 2011 04:41 Pudge_172 wrote:
This is why NASL needs to go to an all offline tournament located in California Yes, let's fly in 50 players for 12 weeks from all over the world so they cannot compete in any other LAN tournaments. That certainly makes sense. Really? Last time I checked, that's essentially what GSL players do and moreso, that was a large reason BW players would focus entirely on their leagues rather than tournaments overseas.
First, this isn't BW, so what happened in the BW scene means nothing.
The GSL is completely different. It isn't 12 weeks long first of all, and all but two of the players in the GSL (Code S as well as A) are from Korea and live in team houses that are near the studio as far as I know. Hell, the players that are foreigners (HuK and Jinro) live at these team houses as well.
This is not true here. Do you know how difficult and expensive it would be to house 50 players for 12 weeks? There aren't a bunch of team houses in California near the NASL studio. The situation with the GSL in Korea and the NASL situation here are completely different. You really can't compare them.
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i still don't understand why they don't just postpone the match and play it a day late or whatever
even if they don't have time to broadcast it its still better for the league if the games are actually played
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wow. I read " MC plane destroyed" I thought he was shot down. What a relief
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On April 17 2011 03:45 archflames wrote:
mc, what goes around comes around
Oh please... People whining about the proxy 2 gate is so stupid.
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