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[Int] MorroW: "We need new maps"

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Malnor
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany35 Posts
February 12 2011 10:04 GMT
#1
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Stefan '(Z)MorroW' Andersson finished second in his group at Assembly Winter 2011. Asked after the groupstage he explains differences between Europe and Korea and demands new maps to be implemented.


Speaking of builts in general: Do European builts differ a lot from the Korean or American or are there just small details?

MorroW: It used to be kind of divided, because we didnt have replays of each other and so on but after GSL came along and so forth we could see each others built and so on. So now the playstyles have merged a bit and Europeans have started playing Korean builts, so its not super different now, but I guess the Koreans have more calculated the builts while the Europeans are more personal, they create their own styles a bit more than the koreans.

So Koreans are not that superior at all as it seems to be like they were in Broodwar?

MorroW: No, they are not that dominant, because its hard to get that dominant so fast in a game, because it takes years to become so much better than another part of the world. But Europe is taking Starcraft II very serious, so we have a lot of players practicing very hard, I think Europe can keep up pretty long.

...

What do you think is what Starcraft need to evaluate to the next level?

MorroW: I think the maps mostly, but if you get new maps, then new balance will be needed on them, of course. As a Zerg for example, I spawn close position on Lost Temple for example, its instant loss. And if I spawn cross position then it maybe favors me instead. So many maps are so position dependant.What do You think is what

...

When you look back, as you started playing zerg – was it the right decision to change the race?

MorroW: As far as tournament wins go, I would defenitely have a lot better chances with terran, but I like the switch a lot, it made me a lot happier as a player. And I enjoy practising more and playing for fun. I enjoy playing as zerg more than as terran.

...

Read the full interview over at fragster.de.
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WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
February 12 2011 10:07 GMT
#2
morrow is a cool guy. maps are whats needed, but its challenging developing them. we have the new gsl maps and even our own iccup and motm maps rising up. we just need people/tourneys to start using them. glad hes liking the switch to zerg ^^
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
February 12 2011 10:09 GMT
#3
Yep maps are definetely the problem right now. It's just a question of what's next? gsl maps, new blizz maps or iccup maps?
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Exchange
Profile Joined January 2011
131 Posts
February 12 2011 10:11 GMT
#4
Builts = Builds?
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uSnAmplified
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1029 Posts
February 12 2011 10:13 GMT
#5
Good to see pros are speaking out, but i think blizzard is to stubborn to listen. Their new PTR maps are total abominations.
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biskit
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia355 Posts
February 12 2011 10:14 GMT
#6
Yea new map please. Actually it would be great if they can use the GSTL maps, I would like to see that.

He switches race even though he wins more as Terran. Respect.
Sokalo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States375 Posts
February 12 2011 10:20 GMT
#7
On February 12 2011 19:04 Malnor wrote:
So Koreans are not that superior at all as it seems to be like they were in Broodwar?

MorroW: No, they are not that dominant, because its hard to get that dominant so fast in a game, because it takes years to become so much better than another part of the world. But Europe is taking Starcraft II very serious, so we have a lot of players practicing very hard, I think Europe can keep up pretty long.


That's the first logical answer I've seen given to that question.

Everyone else whines about a low skillcap or that the talented Korean brood war players refuse to switch over.
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Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
February 12 2011 10:39 GMT
#8
On February 12 2011 19:20 Sokalo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 19:04 Malnor wrote:
So Koreans are not that superior at all as it seems to be like they were in Broodwar?

MorroW: No, they are not that dominant, because its hard to get that dominant so fast in a game, because it takes years to become so much better than another part of the world. But Europe is taking Starcraft II very serious, so we have a lot of players practicing very hard, I think Europe can keep up pretty long.


That's the first logical answer I've seen given to that question.

Everyone else whines about a low skillcap or that the talented Korean brood war players refuse to switch over.


The real question is: why is this superiority crap being asked in every single foreigner interview? It's like these guys have inferiority complexes, or are baiting some sort of an answer akin to Demuslim's, and thus starting up another shitstorm. The foreigner scene is much stronger today for SC2 than it was 12 years ago for BW, and even back then, the first to dominate/do well were foreigners like Maynard, Giyom and Legionnaire. It took almost three years for the Koreans to actually rise head and shoulders above everyone else. Not to mention that right now, SC2 is still rather weak in Korea, as most of the talent is still being funneled into BW. I'm actually surprised that Korea is doing as well as it is, given the overall situation.

The "low" skillcap or lack of talent are all pieces of the puzzle, as well as the aforementioned overall SC2 situation in Korea and Morrow's answer. They are all factors, but I think every single person who follows the scene knows that; hence, the question is fucking retarded.
Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
February 12 2011 10:49 GMT
#9
everyone's been saying that new maps are needed. that or zerg need to get buffed. but that is beating a dead horse.
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MegaBUD
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada179 Posts
February 12 2011 14:39 GMT
#10
Hahaha.... he wouldnt say that if he was still playing terran...

Sad... very sad...

At least hes not trying ot make a video about balance...

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Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-12 14:44:30
February 12 2011 14:42 GMT
#11
How can someone possible think playing zerg is fun. Its the most frusterating race to play and they are really 1 dimensional :/
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
February 12 2011 14:50 GMT
#12
On February 12 2011 19:20 Sokalo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 19:04 Malnor wrote:
So Koreans are not that superior at all as it seems to be like they were in Broodwar?

MorroW: No, they are not that dominant, because its hard to get that dominant so fast in a game, because it takes years to become so much better than another part of the world. But Europe is taking Starcraft II very serious, so we have a lot of players practicing very hard, I think Europe can keep up pretty long.


That's the first logical answer I've seen given to that question.

Everyone else whines about a low skillcap or that the talented Korean brood war players refuse to switch over.


sc2 hasn't taken off in korea, until it takes off they will never be as dominant as they were in broodwar. i believe about 5 million koreans played sc:bw, just look at the numbers of korean accounts on sc2ranks.
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stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
February 12 2011 14:51 GMT
#13
On February 12 2011 19:49 Phanekim wrote:
everyone's been saying that new maps are needed. that or zerg need to get buffed. but that is beating a dead horse.


maybe if blizzard noticed the dead horse it wouldnt need to be beaten so much.
hi
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
February 12 2011 15:00 GMT
#14
On February 12 2011 23:51 stroggos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 19:49 Phanekim wrote:
everyone's been saying that new maps are needed. that or zerg need to get buffed. but that is beating a dead horse.


maybe if blizzard noticed the dead horse it wouldnt need to be beaten so much.


blizzard did notice it. they are testing new maps and they said that they will implement new maps more frequently.
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nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
February 12 2011 15:00 GMT
#15
On February 12 2011 23:42 Tabbris wrote:
How can someone possible think playing zerg is fun. Its the most frusterating race to play and they are really 1 dimensional :/


Oh no someone has a different opinion to you :O, im sure all the people who play zerg and whine, whine because they find zerg fun which is what makes them not wanna switch.
Marklar667
Profile Joined March 2010
47 Posts
February 12 2011 15:01 GMT
#16
On February 12 2011 23:39 MegaBUD wrote:
Hahaha.... he wouldnt say that if he was still playing terran...

Sad... very sad...

At least hes not trying ot make a video about balance...


Your post made me sick to my stomach :S
Azuroz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1630 Posts
February 12 2011 15:05 GMT
#17
On February 12 2011 23:39 MegaBUD wrote:
Hahaha.... he wouldnt say that if he was still playing terran...

Sad... very sad...

At least hes not trying ot make a video about balance...


you should be happy that morrow isnt like those other whiny zergs out there, even i as a protoss player would love new maps. Many of the current ladder maps are horrible.
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Flaunt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
New Zealand784 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-12 15:08:40
February 12 2011 15:07 GMT
#18
On February 12 2011 23:39 MegaBUD wrote:
Hahaha.... he wouldnt say that if he was still playing terran...

Sad... very sad...

At least hes not trying ot make a video about balance...



You have been banned and warned multiple times and yet you still don't learn, lol.

Great interview. MorroW is one of the strongest foreigners at the moment imo.
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ruiyang
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
252 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-12 15:37:15
February 12 2011 15:35 GMT
#19
On February 12 2011 23:39 MegaBUD wrote:
Hahaha.... he wouldnt say that if he was still playing terran...

Sad... very sad...

At least hes not trying ot make a video about balance...


On what do you base this on? He knows both perspectives and trained more with Zerg than he ever did with terran. He even enjoys the game more now. Still he has more tourney wins with Terran than any other EU terran (correct me if im wrong but I believe he has tons of 1st place wins since beta with T). He can actually even beat many top players with terran without practice! One of the last TLopens he took off a game in semifinal from a supergood terran with terran after being down 1-2 as zerg. And as Zerg he has been doin good be nowhere as great as his terran play (which didnt require half the efforr he's putting in now)

OT: love how good you became at Z morrow! Keep up the hard work! Or switch back to T and show how you can still perform as u did before :DDD anyway, ur a great player!
SushilS
Profile Joined November 2010
2115 Posts
February 12 2011 16:02 GMT
#20
MoRRow for President.... GG against TLO!
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leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
February 12 2011 16:10 GMT
#21
Haha morrow contradicted himself! Won close pos LT! But it is true that it's an instant loss most of the times.
banelings
pHelix Equilibria
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1134 Posts
February 12 2011 16:14 GMT
#22
What an awesome guy, and so young.
Also how he said it makes him happier as a player playing Zerg. Its smart.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
February 12 2011 16:29 GMT
#23
On February 12 2011 23:39 MegaBUD wrote:
Hahaha.... he wouldnt say that if he was still playing terran...

Sad... very sad...

At least hes not trying ot make a video about balance...


Uhm, he was one of the few terrans that actually admitted imbalances (reapers and such).
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
February 12 2011 16:36 GMT
#24
Morrow's interviews are always good read.
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Healingproof
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden81 Posts
February 12 2011 17:04 GMT
#25
On February 12 2011 19:14 biskit wrote:
Yea new map please. Actually it would be great if they can use the GSTL maps, I would like to see that.

He switches race even though he wins more as Terran. Respect.

Eeexcept he didnt win more as terran lol. He won one big tournament (IEM) because he abused the broken reaper + this was PRE PATCH before terran got nerfed to the ground. Fact still remains that last time i checked the top 200 EU, morrow was r1. He was never even in the top10 EU when he played terran PRE NERF. He's doing far better as zerg and I think that the reason he is REALLY switching is the patch that nerfed terran soo hard and buffed z soo hard. IF it is like he says, that he switched cause of zerg being more fun, then that's a weeird coincident. He swaps races one week after the patch come "cause he thinks zergs more fun" not cause the game simply changed and zerg became a better race than terran.
Aragos
Profile Joined October 2010
France182 Posts
February 12 2011 17:09 GMT
#26
Nice interview !
eltese
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden369 Posts
February 12 2011 17:34 GMT
#27

Eeexcept he didnt win more as terran lol. He won one big tournament (IEM) because he abused the broken reaper + this was PRE PATCH before terran got nerfed to the ground. Fact still remains that last time i checked the top 200 EU, morrow was r1. He was never even in the top10 EU when he played terran PRE NERF. He's doing far better as zerg and I think that the reason he is REALLY switching is the patch that nerfed terran soo hard and buffed z soo hard. IF it is like he says, that he switched cause of zerg being more fun, then that's a weeird coincident. He swaps races one week after the patch come "cause he thinks zergs more fun" not cause the game simply changed and zerg became a better race than terran.



He actually stated in interviews that he did abuse the hell out of the reaper when that was more profitable. The reason he stated was to both "shut up the whiners" and that terran was so fucking easy. And yeah he won some online tourneys as terran after the patch so I dont know where you have gotten your facts.

I like his interviews, he actually explains stuff very good.
Siraz
Profile Joined June 2010
United States18 Posts
February 12 2011 17:38 GMT
#28
On February 13 2011 02:04 Healingproof wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 19:14 biskit wrote:
Yea new map please. Actually it would be great if they can use the GSTL maps, I would like to see that.

He switches race even though he wins more as Terran. Respect.

Eeexcept he didnt win more as terran lol. He won one big tournament (IEM) because he abused the broken reaper + this was PRE PATCH before terran got nerfed to the ground. Fact still remains that last time i checked the top 200 EU, morrow was r1. He was never even in the top10 EU when he played terran PRE NERF. He's doing far better as zerg and I think that the reason he is REALLY switching is the patch that nerfed terran soo hard and buffed z soo hard. IF it is like he says, that he switched cause of zerg being more fun, then that's a weeird coincident. He swaps races one week after the patch come "cause he thinks zergs more fun" not cause the game simply changed and zerg became a better race than terran.


Idk look on liquipedia and look at his tournament wins. He has won alot more as terran. When he played Terran he was one of the best in the world. His macro was WAY ahead of almost anyone at the time.

I also don't think that he switched because he thought zerg would be stronger then terran. I mean when the guy switched it took him like 2 days before he even won once as zerg. I remember seeing some of his early replay packs as zerg and oh man was it sad.

I also remember him saying that one of the reasons he wanted to switch was because he liked the challenge of zerg. He felt that as terran there was alot less to work on then as zerg. Its obvious that what motivates Morrow is not so much winning and more of the challenge of playing the "perfect zerg".


I think if there is anyone who can comment on the ZvT with any amount of unbiased perspective it would be Morrow. As he has played both races close to the top.
Healingproof
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden81 Posts
February 12 2011 17:40 GMT
#29
meh idc what he said. If he switched pre patch, fine, he thinks zergs funnier. But when he switches the very moment the patch hits, it becomes obvious.
Healingproof
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden81 Posts
February 12 2011 17:43 GMT
#30
@ Siraz: MorroW said zerg was fine pre patch before they got nerfed, before he played zerg. When the patch hits, BUFFING ZERG, he switchs to zerg and now thinks its T favoured. That's the definition of biased.

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diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
February 12 2011 18:15 GMT
#31
kinda strange he enjoys playing zerg more than terran. i quit the game after putting up with playing the heap of shit that is zerg for half a year. maybe he is a masochist, other than that i cant fathom why he would say zerg is fun. funny thing is, i remember a conversation i had with morrow in beta, where we talked about zerg being badly designed and he told me i should switch to terran D:
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Genome852
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States979 Posts
February 12 2011 18:38 GMT
#32
I think a lot of the Blizzard maps are actually fine - they just need to be enlarged.
CandyHunterz
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada66 Posts
February 12 2011 18:46 GMT
#33
@healing are u serious? so u think Z has an edge over terran right now?
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 12 2011 19:44 GMT
#34
On February 13 2011 03:46 CandyHunterz wrote:
@healing are u serious? so u think Z has an edge over terran right now?


No he's saying that Morrow's views are bias towards the race he plays.
Whether that's true or no [or what he even says] is up for discussion (not really).
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UruzuNine
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada162 Posts
February 12 2011 21:50 GMT
#35
On February 13 2011 03:15 diehilde wrote:
kinda strange he enjoys playing zerg more than terran. i quit the game after putting up with playing the heap of shit that is zerg for half a year. maybe he is a masochist, other than that i cant fathom why he would say zerg is fun. funny thing is, i remember a conversation i had with morrow in beta, where we talked about zerg being badly designed and he told me i should switch to terran D:

I actually think Zerg is fun too. I'm a low-diamond Terran, but I've been starting to get into the Zergy goodness. Then again, I'm not one of these guys looking to get rank 1 in master's league and fly over to Korea to win the GSL, so I'm not as concerned when I lose a game or two, regardless of race.
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
February 12 2011 22:23 GMT
#36
Love the fact he is still playing Zerg purely for enjoyment purposes. One of my favorite players out there at the moment, I really like reading his interviews.
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
February 12 2011 22:30 GMT
#37
On February 13 2011 02:04 Healingproof wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 19:14 biskit wrote:
Yea new map please. Actually it would be great if they can use the GSTL maps, I would like to see that.

He switches race even though he wins more as Terran. Respect.

Eeexcept he didnt win more as terran lol. He won one big tournament (IEM) because he abused the broken reaper + this was PRE PATCH before terran got nerfed to the ground. Fact still remains that last time i checked the top 200 EU, morrow was r1. He was never even in the top10 EU when he played terran PRE NERF. He's doing far better as zerg and I think that the reason he is REALLY switching is the patch that nerfed terran soo hard and buffed z soo hard. IF it is like he says, that he switched cause of zerg being more fun, then that's a weeird coincident. He swaps races one week after the patch come "cause he thinks zergs more fun" not cause the game simply changed and zerg became a better race than terran.


He won everything you could win as terran. He announced he would switch BEFORE the balance patch was announced.
Are you gonna base peoples skill off their ladder rankings? Right now in Korea, IMMvp is ranked 20th.

" the game simply changed and zerg became a better race than terran" Hahahaha there you have it. Zerg is a better race than terran?
Watch some tournaments, kid. Every zerg, terran and protoss worth his salt knows zerg has a very hard time against terran, and protoss as well.
Guess why they never wanna send out zerg players in the GSTL?
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
haruk
Profile Joined November 2010
216 Posts
February 12 2011 22:31 GMT
#38
On February 12 2011 19:11 Exchange wrote:
Builts = Builds?


yes please. dependent, too.
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
February 12 2011 22:44 GMT
#39
On February 13 2011 07:31 haruk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 19:11 Exchange wrote:
Builts = Builds?


yes please. dependent, too.


What? OP isn't a native English speaker, so count with a couple of errors. No need comment on it m8.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
Andwhy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States91 Posts
February 13 2011 00:48 GMT
#40
I can see how he thinks zerg is fun. I think their supreme mobility makes them capable of the most trickery, such as feigned attacks and diversions while sacking an expand. It's fun to actually play around in the game.
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
February 13 2011 01:37 GMT
#41
Why doesn't Blizzard use iCCup maps???!!! They're awesome maps they incurage macro games and they just look cool.
But well still nice yo see Morrow making a push about the map issue : D
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
CooDu
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia899 Posts
February 13 2011 01:52 GMT
#42
Nice little interview, MorroW is a solid player I really like the guy - good write up
Just a simple guy, going wherever this journey takes me.
Flyingpants
Profile Joined February 2011
79 Posts
February 13 2011 02:10 GMT
#43
Morrow has self-respect, which is why he plays zerg.
I totally agree, if i wanted to play sim city, i'd get simcity.
Lochat
Profile Joined January 2011
United States270 Posts
February 13 2011 03:09 GMT
#44
On February 13 2011 02:38 Siraz wrote:

I think if there is anyone who can comment on the ZvT with any amount of unbiased perspective it would be Morrow. As he has played both races close to the top.


A top player, playing both races, then making comments about the races obviously doesn't know what he's talking about unless he says something I agree with.

/Forumhero.
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Mwentworth56
Profile Joined January 2011
146 Posts
February 13 2011 03:35 GMT
#45
This was a great interview thank you!

also I think morrow is better with zerg then he was with T but that is just IMO. I dont think the maps we have now are that bad though the only ones I dont like are delta and steppes (I play T BTW)
TSTsniper
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States3 Posts
February 13 2011 03:53 GMT
#46
zerg is fun but i suck with them
need practice buddy
m0s1n0
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany575 Posts
February 13 2011 04:03 GMT
#47
as a spectator i like zerg very much, but as a player i hate it. I lose nearly all my PvZ matches -.-

i´m looking forward to the huk-interview incoming later on today, lets see what he as an protoss says about the maps xD
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Paradice
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand431 Posts
February 13 2011 06:53 GMT
#48
It's great that he has fun playing zerg! Nice interview.
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-13 08:18:50
February 13 2011 08:15 GMT
#49
On February 12 2011 19:07 WniO wrote:
morrow is a cool guy. maps are whats needed, but its challenging developing them. we have the new gsl maps and even our own iccup and motm maps rising up. we just need people/tourneys to start using them. glad hes liking the switch to zerg ^^

The thing is that both GSL and iCCup are changing their maps "on the go" if some bad thing is discovered; Blizzard does not do that. This is the problem IMO ...
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Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
February 13 2011 08:16 GMT
#50
What do you think: Which nation is the strongest in European StarCraft II?

MorroW: In Europe it's Sweden and Ukraine I guess.

What about Germany?

MorroW: Germany is great of course, but Sweden has a lot of good players that are established and also many up-and-coming players, so I have to say Sweden.


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sc2lime
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada513 Posts
February 13 2011 08:21 GMT
#51
I'm very impressed with how good Morrow is with zerg now. I can still remember when people thought Morrow could not be as good as he was with Terran. Mad props to him.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
February 13 2011 08:56 GMT
#52
Would love to see Blizzard implement higher quality maps but MorroW is right in that they'd have to look at rebalancing the game for bigger maps... which is something I can't imagine Blizzard will do well
Tesla12
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia71 Posts
February 13 2011 11:57 GMT
#53
great read! Tnx!
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Cri du Chat
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany606 Posts
February 13 2011 12:04 GMT
#54
On February 13 2011 17:16 Krehlmar wrote:
What do you think: Which nation is the strongest in European StarCraft II?

MorroW: In Europe it's Sweden and Ukraine I guess.

What about Germany?

MorroW: Germany is great of course, but Sweden has a lot of good players that are established and also many up-and-coming players, so I have to say Sweden.


YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH


Just wait for the return of Mondragon. He will be our Savior!!! :D

But yeah, at the moment sweden certainly has the most impressive lineup in europe ;(
cutler
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany609 Posts
February 13 2011 12:13 GMT
#55
Since he was involved in this matchifxing story i am not sure what to think about him.
At least he is one of the players that like to give Interviews and share his thoughts about the current state of the game. I have to admit i enjoyed reading the interview...
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-13 12:49:16
February 13 2011 12:46 GMT
#56
On February 13 2011 21:04 Cri du Chat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2011 17:16 Krehlmar wrote:
What do you think: Which nation is the strongest in European StarCraft II?

MorroW: In Europe it's Sweden and Ukraine I guess.

What about Germany?

MorroW: Germany is great of course, but Sweden has a lot of good players that are established and also many up-and-coming players, so I have to say Sweden.


YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH


Just wait for the return of Mondragon. He will be our Savior!!! :D

But yeah, at the moment sweden certainly has the most impressive lineup in europe ;(


TLO, socke, insolence, darkforce, goody, hasuobs all consistently strong players, I would say germany and sweden are on a similar level overall.


On February 13 2011 21:13 cutler wrote:
Since he was involved in this matchifxing story i am not sure what to think about him.
At least he is one of the players that like to give Interviews and share his thoughts about the current state of the game. I have to admit i enjoyed reading the interview...

The matchfixing story wasn't so much a story as a big nothing, seeing as an admin had given his approval after they requested to be able to leave WO and/or drop games in the finals.
Meatpuppet
Profile Joined January 2011
United States86 Posts
February 13 2011 14:22 GMT
#57
what's with all the typos?
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vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
February 13 2011 15:07 GMT
#58
On February 13 2011 17:16 Krehlmar wrote:
What do you think: Which nation is the strongest in European StarCraft II?

MorroW: In Europe it's Sweden and Ukraine I guess.

What about Germany?

MorroW: Germany is great of course, but Sweden has a lot of good players that are established and also many up-and-coming players, so I have to say Sweden.


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I think Germany has as many up-and-coming players as Sweden, but the top players of Sweden are definitely better now (Jinro, Morrow, Sjow, Naniwa, Haypro vs TLO, Socke, Goody, Darkforce).
thesmoosh
Profile Joined September 2010
113 Posts
February 13 2011 15:57 GMT
#59
What matchfixing story?
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-13 18:13:15
February 13 2011 18:05 GMT
#60
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=178790

something blown out of proportion - they asked a tournament admin if they could give credit for wins to the other player after winning a game because morrow or sjow would need 11/16? finals wins to actually win the really nice computer up as a prize, and both he and sjow didn't expect to dominate the other player by such a wide margin. They asked the admin if it was fine if, after playing the game normally, if it was possible to give the credit for the victory to the other player.

the tournament admin said it was fine but it got published as a "scandal" before it ever happened. The tournament host also was contacted by the person who published the story and spoke against the plan. After getting to the tournament, the players aborted the plan, and I believe one of them dropped out of the tournament series entirely, and the other went on to win the prize?

Also, irrelevant to the topic at hand.
CptHero
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada15 Posts
February 13 2011 19:10 GMT
#61
I certainly think Mr. Jinro tips the scales a bit in Sweden's favor after his last two very successful GSL's, but there are so many good players from both areas that it's hard to say. Would love to see more foreigners make it out there, it's just too bad that there aren't smaller tourneys for them if they don't make GSL or what not.

Keep up the good work MorroW!
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
February 13 2011 20:57 GMT
#62
On February 13 2011 21:04 Cri du Chat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2011 17:16 Krehlmar wrote:
What do you think: Which nation is the strongest in European StarCraft II?

MorroW: In Europe it's Sweden and Ukraine I guess.

What about Germany?

MorroW: Germany is great of course, but Sweden has a lot of good players that are established and also many up-and-coming players, so I have to say Sweden.


YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH


Just wait for the return of Mondragon. He will be our Savior!!! :D


he already returned and are competing active again, did you miss the memo ?
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Excalibur
Profile Joined September 2009
United States58 Posts
February 13 2011 21:28 GMT
#63
New maps? Goes without saying. Stale map pools just lead to people getting bored, and I was bored a month ago.

OT:

Morrow is a good guy. I've spoken with him on BWMN quite a bit, and he's almost as skilled at mapping as he is at playing.

GL with Z Morrow. I've got every confidence in you.
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dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1437 Posts
February 14 2011 02:44 GMT
#64
The funny thing is he said he could win just as many tournaments playing as zerg before he switched and that zergs were just QQing.

Then now he says he def would have had a better chance playing terran.
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Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
February 14 2011 04:57 GMT
#65
On February 14 2011 04:10 CptHero wrote:
I certainly think Mr. Jinro tips the scales a bit in Sweden's favor after his last two very successful GSL's, but there are so many good players from both areas that it's hard to say. Would love to see more foreigners make it out there, it's just too bad that there aren't smaller tourneys for them if they don't make GSL or what not.

Keep up the good work MorroW!


I like what he's saying. I'm always quite impressed by MorroW's comments on these sort of things.
He's still a pretty young guy, but already sounds quite wise ^^

And with the Sweden - Germany thing. Sweden doesn't even have 1/8th of the German population, so if you count good player / capita, we're doing quite well at the moment.
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starcraft2rush
Profile Joined February 2011
306 Posts
February 14 2011 06:40 GMT
#66
I agree with what Morrow said here. The GSL Team leagues were the biggest showcase of how better maps can greatly improve the quality of games from a spectating point of view anyway. GL in the future morrow, mad props for sticking it out as zerg.
ch4ppi
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany802 Posts
February 14 2011 14:55 GMT
#67
nice interview, many valid points.
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
February 14 2011 14:57 GMT
#68
On February 14 2011 11:44 dogabutila wrote:
The funny thing is he said he could win just as many tournaments playing as zerg before he switched and that zergs were just QQing.

Then now he says he def would have had a better chance playing terran.


The funny thing is that you can't back up your statement with an exact quote/link, because it's wrong.
dkim
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States255 Posts
February 14 2011 17:06 GMT
#69
So Koreans are not that superior at all as it seems to be like they were in Broodwar?

MorroW: No, they are not that dominant

has this guy played a lot of koreans? which I don't think he has, how is he saying it like he has koreans figured out. I know everyone who moved to korea and laddered/competed, they all say koreans > europe,us, and etc. like huk who goes to EU and ladders for few days to reach #1, in his interview he says otherwise.
Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
February 14 2011 17:08 GMT
#70
On February 14 2011 23:57 vdale wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 11:44 dogabutila wrote:
The funny thing is he said he could win just as many tournaments playing as zerg before he switched and that zergs were just QQing.

Then now he says he def would have had a better chance playing terran.


The funny thing is that you can't back up your statement with an exact quote/link, because it's wrong.

Yes I dont remember him ever saying that either. He has complained about protoss but thats another thing entirely.
ProfessorCold
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States41 Posts
February 14 2011 18:42 GMT
#71
MorroW: As a Zerg for example, I spawn close position on Lost Temple for example, its instant loss. And if I spawn cross position then it maybe favors me instead. So many maps are so position dependant.

I think that the claim that your position automatically determines the outcome of the game is somewhat premature. It's not like you can't do anything to change your fate at all. Obviously, MorroW has played a lot more than me, and so he knows what he's talking about more than me, but I still feel that it's impossible for him to have tried every possibility.
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SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
February 14 2011 19:40 GMT
#72
On February 15 2011 02:06 dkim wrote:
So Koreans are not that superior at all as it seems to be like they were in Broodwar?

MorroW: No, they are not that dominant

has this guy played a lot of koreans? which I don't think he has, how is he saying it like he has koreans figured out. I know everyone who moved to korea and laddered/competed, they all say koreans > europe,us, and etc. like huk who goes to EU and ladders for few days to reach #1, in his interview he says otherwise.


maybe you should read the question again? Does the question say "are the korean ladder harder than the NA/EU"? No, they asked him if koreans are as dominant as they were in bw, which they CLEARLY are not.
-,-
dkim
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States255 Posts
February 14 2011 19:46 GMT
#73
and he knows about korean's playing style how? because he lost to ret? I really don't remember him ever playing any koreans or k ladder. either way, what I am saying is that he lacks encounters with korean players to make any comment about the subject.
however, huk has reached #1 in both EU and KOR and says pretty much contrary to everything morrow is saying in this interview. sorry if I got the swed fans mad or anything.
SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
February 14 2011 19:51 GMT
#74
not everything is about nationality, some of us do think before we post.
-,-
dkim
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States255 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-14 20:00:41
February 14 2011 19:59 GMT
#75
way to diss me bro, pretty sure nationality was brought by the interviewer's question dumbass.

edit: and hypocrite as well, where are you from?
Moonstruck
Profile Joined February 2011
20 Posts
February 14 2011 22:46 GMT
#76
I think that Morrow is really right.
He spends so much time invested into his gaming
that blizzard should maybe should take in this interview a little more seriously
DamageInq
Profile Joined April 2010
United States283 Posts
February 15 2011 02:58 GMT
#77
That's a true Zerg mullet.

I agree... the biggest step toward a balanced game (specifically for Zergs) is a new map pool
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azarat
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia155 Posts
February 15 2011 14:28 GMT
#78
On February 15 2011 03:42 ProfessorCold wrote:
Show nested quote +
MorroW: As a Zerg for example, I spawn close position on Lost Temple for example, its instant loss. And if I spawn cross position then it maybe favors me instead. So many maps are so position dependant.

I think that the claim that your position automatically determines the outcome of the game is somewhat premature. It's not like you can't do anything to change your fate at all. Obviously, MorroW has played a lot more than me, and so he knows what he's talking about more than me, but I still feel that it's impossible for him to have tried every possibility.


Of course its an exaggeration to say that "<x position> is a free win for <y race> on <z map>!" However, there can be no doubt that certain map spawns can tilt the scales of balance heavily in favour of one race in a matchup, to the point where with equally skilled players and without a massive blunder you can pick the winner of a map with a certain spawn with a high degree of certainty. It's no fun to watch such predetermined games, and equally no fun to play them, especially in a tournament setting.
Smigi
Profile Joined April 2010
United States328 Posts
February 19 2011 18:07 GMT
#79
On February 15 2011 11:58 DamageInq wrote:
That's a true Zerg mullet.

I agree... the biggest step toward a balanced game (specifically for Zergs) is a new map pool


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