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Of course netizens hate Kespa, that is human behaviour, they are fans of the players not of the corporations, they resent some "mistreat" that Kespa have done before even if it doesnt affect the whole BW scenario like the situation now, let them without BW and all of them wil be begging for another Kespa, at the end it doesnt mean that they are in favour of Blizzard.
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On November 06 2010 13:34 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 09:41 StarStruck wrote:On November 05 2010 16:07 TheRabidDeer wrote:
According to the numbers available, SC2 has already reached and/or surpassed BW popularity. I wont say its a better game, because that is opinion... but in terms of viewership, it is already quite popular. How about we leave such comments for let's say another ten years? There is no point comparing the two based on sales alone. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't work that way. That comment wasnt based on sales, it was based on the number of views for GSL vs the finals between jaedong/flash. Looking purely at sales, then BW is way ahead of SC2 (but this is also because BW has obviously been out for 12 years).
I dont even know how you can infer that conclusion about SC2 reached or surpassed BW popularity when the main way of broadcasting of OGN and MBC are different than GOM, please go and see the TV ratings of that event and then you can conclude something, sorry but It is comparing apples with oranges, if the final of the GSL has less viewers than Boxer vs Nestea or Boxer vs Nada, then you can conclude that it is not even about SC2 but a phenomenom named Boxer. Lets wait and see.
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On November 07 2010 00:38 palexhur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 13:34 TheRabidDeer wrote:On November 06 2010 09:41 StarStruck wrote:On November 05 2010 16:07 TheRabidDeer wrote:
According to the numbers available, SC2 has already reached and/or surpassed BW popularity. I wont say its a better game, because that is opinion... but in terms of viewership, it is already quite popular. How about we leave such comments for let's say another ten years? There is no point comparing the two based on sales alone. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't work that way. That comment wasnt based on sales, it was based on the number of views for GSL vs the finals between jaedong/flash. Looking purely at sales, then BW is way ahead of SC2 (but this is also because BW has obviously been out for 12 years). I dont even know how you can infer that conclusion about SC2 reached or surpassed BW popularity when the main way of broadcasting of OGN and MBC are different than GOM, please go and see the TV ratings of that event and then you can conclude something, sorry but It is comparing apples with oranges, if the final of the GSL has less viewers than Boxer vs Nestea or Boxer vs Nada, then you can conclude that it is not even about SC2 but a phenomenom named Boxer. Lets wait and see.
GSL1 finals vod has 1.9 Million views. Koreans are interested in Sc2
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On November 07 2010 00:59 AyJay wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 00:38 palexhur wrote:On November 06 2010 13:34 TheRabidDeer wrote:On November 06 2010 09:41 StarStruck wrote:On November 05 2010 16:07 TheRabidDeer wrote:
According to the numbers available, SC2 has already reached and/or surpassed BW popularity. I wont say its a better game, because that is opinion... but in terms of viewership, it is already quite popular. How about we leave such comments for let's say another ten years? There is no point comparing the two based on sales alone. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't work that way. That comment wasnt based on sales, it was based on the number of views for GSL vs the finals between jaedong/flash. Looking purely at sales, then BW is way ahead of SC2 (but this is also because BW has obviously been out for 12 years). I dont even know how you can infer that conclusion about SC2 reached or surpassed BW popularity when the main way of broadcasting of OGN and MBC are different than GOM, please go and see the TV ratings of that event and then you can conclude something, sorry but It is comparing apples with oranges, if the final of the GSL has less viewers than Boxer vs Nestea or Boxer vs Nada, then you can conclude that it is not even about SC2 but a phenomenom named Boxer. Lets wait and see. GSL1 finals vod has 1.9 Million views. Koreans are interested in Sc2
SC2 is popular in Korea, nothing to disagree about it, but the afirmation that TheRabidDeer made has not base.
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On November 07 2010 01:02 palexhur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 00:59 AyJay wrote:On November 07 2010 00:38 palexhur wrote:On November 06 2010 13:34 TheRabidDeer wrote:On November 06 2010 09:41 StarStruck wrote:On November 05 2010 16:07 TheRabidDeer wrote:
According to the numbers available, SC2 has already reached and/or surpassed BW popularity. I wont say its a better game, because that is opinion... but in terms of viewership, it is already quite popular. How about we leave such comments for let's say another ten years? There is no point comparing the two based on sales alone. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't work that way. That comment wasnt based on sales, it was based on the number of views for GSL vs the finals between jaedong/flash. Looking purely at sales, then BW is way ahead of SC2 (but this is also because BW has obviously been out for 12 years). I dont even know how you can infer that conclusion about SC2 reached or surpassed BW popularity when the main way of broadcasting of OGN and MBC are different than GOM, please go and see the TV ratings of that event and then you can conclude something, sorry but It is comparing apples with oranges, if the final of the GSL has less viewers than Boxer vs Nestea or Boxer vs Nada, then you can conclude that it is not even about SC2 but a phenomenom named Boxer. Lets wait and see. GSL1 finals vod has 1.9 Million views. Koreans are interested in Sc2 SC2 is popular in Korea, nothing to disagree about it, but the afirmation that TheRabidDeer made has not base.
Ahh ok. Oh well, here's hoping that sc2 could become even bigger 
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Estonia4504 Posts
Not wanting to derail your trains of thought, but how is this relevant to the topic?
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Russian Federation1953 Posts
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On November 07 2010 00:59 AyJay wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 00:38 palexhur wrote:On November 06 2010 13:34 TheRabidDeer wrote:On November 06 2010 09:41 StarStruck wrote:On November 05 2010 16:07 TheRabidDeer wrote:
According to the numbers available, SC2 has already reached and/or surpassed BW popularity. I wont say its a better game, because that is opinion... but in terms of viewership, it is already quite popular. How about we leave such comments for let's say another ten years? There is no point comparing the two based on sales alone. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't work that way. That comment wasnt based on sales, it was based on the number of views for GSL vs the finals between jaedong/flash. Looking purely at sales, then BW is way ahead of SC2 (but this is also because BW has obviously been out for 12 years). I dont even know how you can infer that conclusion about SC2 reached or surpassed BW popularity when the main way of broadcasting of OGN and MBC are different than GOM, please go and see the TV ratings of that event and then you can conclude something, sorry but It is comparing apples with oranges, if the final of the GSL has less viewers than Boxer vs Nestea or Boxer vs Nada, then you can conclude that it is not even about SC2 but a phenomenom named Boxer. Lets wait and see. GSL1 finals vod has 1.9 Million views. Koreans are interested in Sc2
1.9 million only koreans? 
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On November 06 2010 22:03 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 20:46 TheRabidDeer wrote:On November 06 2010 16:42 ShadeR wrote:On November 06 2010 13:34 TheRabidDeer wrote:On November 06 2010 09:41 StarStruck wrote:On November 05 2010 16:07 TheRabidDeer wrote:
According to the numbers available, SC2 has already reached and/or surpassed BW popularity. I wont say its a better game, because that is opinion... but in terms of viewership, it is already quite popular. How about we leave such comments for let's say another ten years? There is no point comparing the two based on sales alone. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't work that way. That comment wasnt based on sales, it was based on the number of views for GSL vs the finals between jaedong/flash. Looking purely at sales, then BW is way ahead of SC2 (but this is also because BW has obviously been out for 12 years). I find that quite difficult to believe. GSL > OSL in viewers? IIRC GSL isn't even on television, how can it possibly have more viewers than the OSL Finals which was in China? I'm not having a go at you but where are you getting your numbers? This is why I hate it when people crop quotes, people miss out on the rest of the posts, this was my original post: "Regardless of this, I will let the views of the GSL be an indicator of how well SC2 is doing as an esport already. 3 million have already watched boxer vs nada (excluding live views) 2 million watched the finals from S1 (excluding live views) since the RO32 each game has been averaging 500k views on the VOD (excluding live views) boxer/nada pull in on average 1.5 million views (excluding live views) Compare this to the flash vs jaedong star league S2 finals at a mere 500k views http://ch.gomtv.com/428/27954/383919 (again, excluding live views, no clue how many watch it on TV...)" Then somebody chimed in and said this: "I don't remember the source but the TV ratings was along the lines of 1.2mil or so?I don't remember the source." Then I said "According to the numbers available, SC2 has already reached and/or surpassed BW popularity. I wont say its a better game, because that is opinion... but in terms of viewership, it is already quite popular." Like I said, according to any numbers that we have access to, SC2 is just as popular as BW in korea (or nearly). So despite knowing that there are vital statistics you cant get a hold of your still willing to conclude that *the numbers* show that SC2 has reached or surpassed BW.... I'm sure someone else can come up some crazy analogy making fun of your conclusion but i just can't begin to fathom your thought process that lead you to these conclusions... You source gomtv showing that the OSL had a mere 500k views, but choose to ignore the fact that it was broadcast live by OGN in Korea and its chinese partner in china. You don't even consider the 10's of thousands of people who rolled up to the venue to truly watch it live.. All in all i suppose my main point is you that can twist numbers around all you want but in the end it's simply ridiculous to try and infer that SC2 which hasn't been out very long and is not even broadcast on television is just as or more popular than BW. PS: I'm not sure what you mean by hating people cropping posts. I quoted your entire comment.
Other people decided to crop my post so that in the end all you saw was that part of it, which means you didnt see the whole message resulting in your post.
My only point in this post, and I even outright say that I dont have all of the numbers, that based on the information that we have SC2 is doing fantastic for only being out for a couple of months and having no TV channels.
I have twisted no numbers, I have shown all numbers that I have and the source of all of the numbers. If there is more information about that event (or other recent BW events) then feel free to post them. All I know is that 3.3 million koreans watched boxer vs nada online with the VOD (not live) and that there are only about 49 million south koreans in total, so that has to be a pretty significant number.
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
lol. didn't read, don't care about sc2. give me more proleague and finally, JvF pls.
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On November 07 2010 04:57 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 22:03 ShadeR wrote:On November 06 2010 20:46 TheRabidDeer wrote:On November 06 2010 16:42 ShadeR wrote:On November 06 2010 13:34 TheRabidDeer wrote:On November 06 2010 09:41 StarStruck wrote:On November 05 2010 16:07 TheRabidDeer wrote:
According to the numbers available, SC2 has already reached and/or surpassed BW popularity. I wont say its a better game, because that is opinion... but in terms of viewership, it is already quite popular. How about we leave such comments for let's say another ten years? There is no point comparing the two based on sales alone. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't work that way. That comment wasnt based on sales, it was based on the number of views for GSL vs the finals between jaedong/flash. Looking purely at sales, then BW is way ahead of SC2 (but this is also because BW has obviously been out for 12 years). I find that quite difficult to believe. GSL > OSL in viewers? IIRC GSL isn't even on television, how can it possibly have more viewers than the OSL Finals which was in China? I'm not having a go at you but where are you getting your numbers? This is why I hate it when people crop quotes, people miss out on the rest of the posts, this was my original post: "Regardless of this, I will let the views of the GSL be an indicator of how well SC2 is doing as an esport already. 3 million have already watched boxer vs nada (excluding live views) 2 million watched the finals from S1 (excluding live views) since the RO32 each game has been averaging 500k views on the VOD (excluding live views) boxer/nada pull in on average 1.5 million views (excluding live views) Compare this to the flash vs jaedong star league S2 finals at a mere 500k views http://ch.gomtv.com/428/27954/383919 (again, excluding live views, no clue how many watch it on TV...)" Then somebody chimed in and said this: "I don't remember the source but the TV ratings was along the lines of 1.2mil or so?I don't remember the source." Then I said "According to the numbers available, SC2 has already reached and/or surpassed BW popularity. I wont say its a better game, because that is opinion... but in terms of viewership, it is already quite popular." Like I said, according to any numbers that we have access to, SC2 is just as popular as BW in korea (or nearly). So despite knowing that there are vital statistics you cant get a hold of your still willing to conclude that *the numbers* show that SC2 has reached or surpassed BW.... I'm sure someone else can come up some crazy analogy making fun of your conclusion but i just can't begin to fathom your thought process that lead you to these conclusions... You source gomtv showing that the OSL had a mere 500k views, but choose to ignore the fact that it was broadcast live by OGN in Korea and its chinese partner in china. You don't even consider the 10's of thousands of people who rolled up to the venue to truly watch it live.. All in all i suppose my main point is you that can twist numbers around all you want but in the end it's simply ridiculous to try and infer that SC2 which hasn't been out very long and is not even broadcast on television is just as or more popular than BW. PS: I'm not sure what you mean by hating people cropping posts. I quoted your entire comment. Other people decided to crop my post so that in the end all you saw was that part of it, which means you didnt see the whole message resulting in your post. My only point in this post, and I even outright say that I dont have all of the numbers, that based on the information that we have SC2 is doing fantastic for only being out for a couple of months and having no TV channels. I have twisted no numbers, I have shown all numbers that I have and the source of all of the numbers. If there is more information about that event (or other recent BW events) then feel free to post them. All I know is that 3.3 million koreans watched boxer vs nada online with the VOD (not live) and that there are only about 49 million south koreans in total, so that has to be a pretty significant number.
1/ Its Boxer vs Nada.. It may be a little exaggerated but these guys are possibly even more famous than SC2 itself.
2/ Im very interested in knowing how you find out that 3.3 million Koreans watched that VoD.
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On November 07 2010 10:04 ffreakk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 04:57 TheRabidDeer wrote:On November 06 2010 22:03 ShadeR wrote:On November 06 2010 20:46 TheRabidDeer wrote:On November 06 2010 16:42 ShadeR wrote:On November 06 2010 13:34 TheRabidDeer wrote:On November 06 2010 09:41 StarStruck wrote:On November 05 2010 16:07 TheRabidDeer wrote:
According to the numbers available, SC2 has already reached and/or surpassed BW popularity. I wont say its a better game, because that is opinion... but in terms of viewership, it is already quite popular. How about we leave such comments for let's say another ten years? There is no point comparing the two based on sales alone. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't work that way. That comment wasnt based on sales, it was based on the number of views for GSL vs the finals between jaedong/flash. Looking purely at sales, then BW is way ahead of SC2 (but this is also because BW has obviously been out for 12 years). I find that quite difficult to believe. GSL > OSL in viewers? IIRC GSL isn't even on television, how can it possibly have more viewers than the OSL Finals which was in China? I'm not having a go at you but where are you getting your numbers? This is why I hate it when people crop quotes, people miss out on the rest of the posts, this was my original post: "Regardless of this, I will let the views of the GSL be an indicator of how well SC2 is doing as an esport already. 3 million have already watched boxer vs nada (excluding live views) 2 million watched the finals from S1 (excluding live views) since the RO32 each game has been averaging 500k views on the VOD (excluding live views) boxer/nada pull in on average 1.5 million views (excluding live views) Compare this to the flash vs jaedong star league S2 finals at a mere 500k views http://ch.gomtv.com/428/27954/383919 (again, excluding live views, no clue how many watch it on TV...)" Then somebody chimed in and said this: "I don't remember the source but the TV ratings was along the lines of 1.2mil or so?I don't remember the source." Then I said "According to the numbers available, SC2 has already reached and/or surpassed BW popularity. I wont say its a better game, because that is opinion... but in terms of viewership, it is already quite popular." Like I said, according to any numbers that we have access to, SC2 is just as popular as BW in korea (or nearly). So despite knowing that there are vital statistics you cant get a hold of your still willing to conclude that *the numbers* show that SC2 has reached or surpassed BW.... I'm sure someone else can come up some crazy analogy making fun of your conclusion but i just can't begin to fathom your thought process that lead you to these conclusions... You source gomtv showing that the OSL had a mere 500k views, but choose to ignore the fact that it was broadcast live by OGN in Korea and its chinese partner in china. You don't even consider the 10's of thousands of people who rolled up to the venue to truly watch it live.. All in all i suppose my main point is you that can twist numbers around all you want but in the end it's simply ridiculous to try and infer that SC2 which hasn't been out very long and is not even broadcast on television is just as or more popular than BW. PS: I'm not sure what you mean by hating people cropping posts. I quoted your entire comment. Other people decided to crop my post so that in the end all you saw was that part of it, which means you didnt see the whole message resulting in your post. My only point in this post, and I even outright say that I dont have all of the numbers, that based on the information that we have SC2 is doing fantastic for only being out for a couple of months and having no TV channels. I have twisted no numbers, I have shown all numbers that I have and the source of all of the numbers. If there is more information about that event (or other recent BW events) then feel free to post them. All I know is that 3.3 million koreans watched boxer vs nada online with the VOD (not live) and that there are only about 49 million south koreans in total, so that has to be a pretty significant number. 1/ Its Boxer vs Nada.. It may be a little exaggerated but these guys are possibly even more famous than SC2 itself. 2/ Im very interested in knowing how you find out that 3.3 million Koreans watched that VoD.
http://ch.gomtv.com/427/28099/391700/4
3,316,442 (Korean VoD's)
And heres the GSL1 finals with a nice 1,922,023 count.
http://ch.gomtv.com/427/28024/386692/4
Not sure why this needs arguing though.
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The latest in a long line of blizzard ripping apart anyone who wants to profit off of stuff that belongs to them. Blizzard makes great games, but they protect their properties. Just ask the modding community how ethically wonderful Blizzard is.
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On November 07 2010 05:11 _Quasar_ wrote:
lol. didn't read, don't care about sc2. give me more proleague and finally, JvF pls.
ok a few things:
1)Please read.
2)Nobody said anything about sc2 other than its ratings which is very high.
3)Blizzard won't deny PL(they care enough about the public to not riot against them)
4)you're a masochist....you just want to see Jaedong get raped by Flash over and over again.
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On November 07 2010 05:11 _Quasar_ wrote:
lol. didn't read, don't care about sc2. give me more proleague and finally, JvF pls.
You should care. You will realize later on why.
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On November 07 2010 10:36 SwiftSpear wrote:
The latest in a long line of blizzard ripping apart anyone who wants to profit off of stuff that belongs to them. Blizzard makes great games, but they protect their properties. Just ask the modding community how ethically wonderful Blizzard is. Yes, it is Blizzard being unethical, not the people profiting off of stuff that doesn't belong to them.
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On November 07 2010 04:21 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 00:59 AyJay wrote:On November 07 2010 00:38 palexhur wrote:On November 06 2010 13:34 TheRabidDeer wrote:On November 06 2010 09:41 StarStruck wrote:On November 05 2010 16:07 TheRabidDeer wrote:
According to the numbers available, SC2 has already reached and/or surpassed BW popularity. I wont say its a better game, because that is opinion... but in terms of viewership, it is already quite popular. How about we leave such comments for let's say another ten years? There is no point comparing the two based on sales alone. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't work that way. That comment wasnt based on sales, it was based on the number of views for GSL vs the finals between jaedong/flash. Looking purely at sales, then BW is way ahead of SC2 (but this is also because BW has obviously been out for 12 years). I dont even know how you can infer that conclusion about SC2 reached or surpassed BW popularity when the main way of broadcasting of OGN and MBC are different than GOM, please go and see the TV ratings of that event and then you can conclude something, sorry but It is comparing apples with oranges, if the final of the GSL has less viewers than Boxer vs Nestea or Boxer vs Nada, then you can conclude that it is not even about SC2 but a phenomenom named Boxer. Lets wait and see. GSL1 finals vod has 1.9 Million views. Koreans are interested in Sc2 1.9 million only koreans?
When the Korean vod has 1.9 million views on a Korean website and there are English versions of the vod out there, I think it is safe to say that at least 90% of the viewers are from Korea.
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On November 07 2010 04:21 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 00:59 AyJay wrote:On November 07 2010 00:38 palexhur wrote:On November 06 2010 13:34 TheRabidDeer wrote:On November 06 2010 09:41 StarStruck wrote:On November 05 2010 16:07 TheRabidDeer wrote:
According to the numbers available, SC2 has already reached and/or surpassed BW popularity. I wont say its a better game, because that is opinion... but in terms of viewership, it is already quite popular. How about we leave such comments for let's say another ten years? There is no point comparing the two based on sales alone. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't work that way. That comment wasnt based on sales, it was based on the number of views for GSL vs the finals between jaedong/flash. Looking purely at sales, then BW is way ahead of SC2 (but this is also because BW has obviously been out for 12 years). I dont even know how you can infer that conclusion about SC2 reached or surpassed BW popularity when the main way of broadcasting of OGN and MBC are different than GOM, please go and see the TV ratings of that event and then you can conclude something, sorry but It is comparing apples with oranges, if the final of the GSL has less viewers than Boxer vs Nestea or Boxer vs Nada, then you can conclude that it is not even about SC2 but a phenomenom named Boxer. Lets wait and see. GSL1 finals vod has 1.9 Million views. Koreans are interested in Sc2 1.9 million only koreans?
Separate vods and commentary for the two communities (Korean and non-korean) so yeah, pretty safe to assume it's mostly Koreans.
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Unfortunately(or fortunately) this will likely come out on Blizzard's favour.
Korea has good copyright laws regarding original developers due to K-pop culture being so wide spread in east Asia. If they actually battle it out in court, it is highly likely that Blizzard will get better deal out of this.
Since it seems like KeSPA is trying to delay the inevitable as long as possible and being uncooperative in general, I hope they get dismantled after this event, and a new organization (not headed by blizzard) of sort takes over. Come on, its about damn time they put SC2 on tv already.
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