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On October 11 2010 23:01 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Well considering that three foreigners that belong to the better players of the western scene (though arguably are not really top-notch) failed to qualify I find it hard to believe that there is no increasing skill gap between Na/EU and Korea.
You are forming conclusions based on a sample of two, of which one has only been in Korea for a few days. I assume you followed statistics in school so you can figure out how shortsighted that is. Please don't do things like this it is very annoying for everyone.
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On October 11 2010 22:55 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +- There is a lower number(ratio) of foreign players advancing compared to last season, what're the thoughts of foreign players?
Dario: I do not believe that is because of increased skill-difference between Koreans and Foreigners. Many famous over-sea players did not participate, and players like myself and Greg Fields (Idra) are not with a pro-team. I believe there will be a better result in season 3 if pro-players playing in Europe participates. I doubt the interview went like this. It's important to realize for everyone that English interviews translated from Korean done with a foreigner will most likely have a bunch of inaccuracies that slipped in somewhere. Can't take too much from them.
Yea there are bunch of mistranslations as almost always if it goes English - Korean(translator)-Korean(press) - English
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On October 11 2010 23:01 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Well considering that three foreigners that belong to the better players of the western scene (though arguably are not really top-notch) failed to qualify I find it hard to believe that there is no increasing skill gap between Na/EU and Korea.
haypro really hasn't done anything as of late in terms of being a competitive zerg, jinro failed to qualify before, and artosis really isn't of the same caliber as some of the players in the tournament. and then a bunch of wouldn't it be fun foreigners who came over and didn't qualify just like alot of the wouldn't it be fun koreans.
So i'd give jinro the most likely chance of qualifying of the three "big" foreigners (Jinro, Haypro, Artosis) and he still hasn't adapted to korean style yet. i figured haypro wouldn't have a shot as a zerg unused to korean playstyle (since you need to be comfortable with what the opponent is doing as a zerg), and artosis, eh he can just cast the damn thing and be awesome that way.
So we are 2/2 on the foreigners Who actually have a shot at it. Haypro will get alot better by season 3 and be able to make it then, ret will have issues, huk probably will make it.
There just are alot less foreigners who are familiar with korean sc2 which has a bunch of different timings, and for zerg especially that takes some effort to overcome.
Also, Go TLO ^^
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On October 11 2010 23:01 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Well considering that three foreigners that belong to the better players of the western scene (though arguably are not really top-notch) failed to qualify I find it hard to believe that there is no increasing skill gap between Na/EU and Korea.
Riiight and Tester and Top really didn't deserve to win either
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I think it'd be sweet to see some Korean signs with TLO written on them! :D
Thanks for translating the translated interview!
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Boxer vs TLO, can the game be more epic than that first set with oGshyperdub?
Regardless, go TLO!
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FK yea! I woke up just wanting to know if TLO had qualified! :D I am really really happy, and cant wait to see some live games!! This is awesome 
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way to go!
TLO FIGHTIIIIIIIIIING!
im hoping for jinro & haypro to qualify next time too
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On October 11 2010 23:01 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Well considering that three foreigners that belong to the better players of the western scene (though arguably are not really top-notch) failed to qualify I find it hard to believe that there is no increasing skill gap between Na/EU and Korea.
you could say that there is an increasing skill gap between korean and nonkorean sc2 scenes. but its not because nonkorean players practiced less or played less well than last gsl. it is because many extremely good players missed gsl1, so the competition has increased for the korean participants of gsl1 just the same.
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I really love the Korean nickname for TLO.
Nostradario fighting!
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On October 11 2010 22:58 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +
- Any player you want to head-to-head against in main rounds?
Dario: Would be an honor to play against Lim-Yo-Hwan (Slayers_Boxer), but I'll be sure to give it my best whoever my opponent may become.
pointed out a mistake.. TLO HWAITING!!!!
honour doesnt have a 'u' in america
that said, TLO, i expect to see you win it (or at least i'd love to see it anyway)
wait wait wait
On October 11 2010 23:07 Liquid`TLO wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 22:55 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:- There is a lower number(ratio) of foreign players advancing compared to last season, what're the thoughts of foreign players?
Dario: I do not believe that is because of increased skill-difference between Koreans and Foreigners. Many famous over-sea players did not participate, and players like myself and Greg Fields (Idra) are not with a pro-team. I believe there will be a better result in season 3 if pro-players playing in Europe participates. I doubt the interview went like this. It's important to realize for everyone that English interviews translated from Korean done with a foreigner will most likely have a bunch of inaccuracies that slipped in somewhere. Can't take too much from them. Yea there are bunch of mistranslations as almost always if it goes English - Korean(translator)-Korean(press) - English
i somehow get the feeling you were there during the interview, can you tell us anything that was incorrect?
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I definitely do hope that TLO was present during his own interview. lol
Yeah I'm curious to know too..
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Look you really can't compare the number of Koreans and foreigners unless you take into account the number of each that entered the competition and the percentage of them that qualified for the ro64. Looking at it this way you see that the foreigners actually do it better as the Koreans.
So as an example:
500 koreans entered the prelim and 62 qualified = 12.4%
5 foreigners entered the prelim and 2 qualified = 40%
The only realistic way to determen if there is a skill gap between the two is by having the 100 top foreigners enter the prelims and the 100 top Koreans and see what the percentages are then.
And on top of that the prelims should be held in Kenya or something like that so both groups had to adjust equally to a new and strange culture.
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GJ TLO, I'm excited to see you play! I'm sure you'll go farther this time around! :D
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On October 11 2010 23:01 Irrational_Animal wrote:
Well considering that three foreigners that belong to the better players of the western scene (though arguably are not really top-notch) failed to qualify I find it hard to believe that there is no increasing skill gap between Na/EU and Korea.
I don't wanna offend anyone but my take on the situation is this:
TLO and IdrA are 2 of the top non koreans (maybe number 1 maybe not...) and both performed very well in the first GSL neither being totally outplayed in any way.
Jinro/Haypro (perhaps artosis but I dunno how good he really is) are good players but to my knowledge they're hardly the top non koreans neither has performed very well in any tournaments lately though I'd love to see the liquid guys storm the GSL and take it all. Jinro and Haypro just don't seem like the best to me, good? sure but far from the best inside or outside of korea I can only hope they will rise.
So saying that 3 of the better players of the western scene failed to qualify is perhaps an overexaggeration while they are good none of them have been at the top in sc2 at any point to my knowledge.
I think the situation will be much more clear with future GSL's especially HuKs arrival seeing as he is definately one of the top non koreans but since players like Select/QxC/Dimaga are not entering the GSL it seems unfair to assume the western scene is falling behind already.
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Select already announced he plans to come next month. However, I honestly wouldn't really call him a 'foreigner' per-se.
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This interview was done in Korean-English-Korean, as none of the media people spoke english.
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Nice interview TLO! GL with practicing for the RO 64!!!
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