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Blizzard on 1v1 Balancing and the new patch - Page 76
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9174 Posts
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On October 08 2010 11:58 Drowsy wrote: I think they're overdoing it with the reaper rush nerf. I'd way rather see banshee cloak, or marauder godliness be dealt with. Reapers are an annoying unit that doesn't add anything to the game other then frustration. They are not necessary for terran to be good. Nerfing marauders would be a much bigger blow. | ||
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Crichton
Japan196 Posts
3) In late-game stalemate/base-trade situations, this could be a big problem; e.g., a Terran player has three command centers, but all their rax/depots have been taken out; even though they have plenty of supply, they'll have to built a depot before a rax. blegh. I suppose this might make up for being able to float buildings. How do you have 'plenty of supply' if you don't have any Depots? This isn't going to change late-game at all. | ||
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jdr_
United States78 Posts
On October 08 2010 01:20 AssuredVacancy wrote: lol what.... barracks needed for depot hahahaaha I think protosses are the ones sighing in relief. Wow according to browder's stats, zerg is overpowered vs terran in all leagues! If 38% of all players play Terran, and 22% of all players play zerg, that means that on the ladder, Zergs have more practice against Terrans, than Terrans have practice against Zerg. So while most of Terrans matchups are TVT and TVP, Most of zergs matchups are ZVT and ZVP. That's the only reason the numbers are the way they are. Of course 90% of the problems with balance are the ladder maps not the actual units. | ||
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eLiE
Canada1039 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
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mcneebs
Canada391 Posts
-depot -rax -depot -rax -depot -rax? I can't go -depot -rax -rax -depot -rax? Can't say I understand that at all if I'm reading it correctly. | ||
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rawb
United States252 Posts
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
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Nub4ever
Canada1981 Posts
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Voros
United States222 Posts
The depot-before-barracks move utterly destroys proxied barracks and ensures that no games will end due to very early Terran pressure. Blizzard might as well implement a patch that prevents players from attacking before the four-minute mark or building cannons more than ten hexes away from a nexus. This isn't a balance change; it's removing a style of play from the Terran playbook. The increase to roach range destroys reaper harass altogether; the additional nerf to reaper speed indicates that the designers have no idea what role this unit should play, as speed delayed that badly will make the unit as useless against Zerg as it is presently is against Protoss and Terran. Under what circumstances would I purchase Reaper speed if I have to construct a factory first? If Reapers can't be used for proxy cheese or in TvZ prior to the arrival of speed roaches, what exactly can they be used for? Is the reaper's new role that of a 50/50 scout who might get lucky and kill a worker or two? If the developers want TvZ to feature even more marauders and banshees, they're certainly headed in the right direction. | ||
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SlayerOfYou
58 Posts
On October 08 2010 01:43 Seam wrote: Wait, then what are they supposed to change by? If not numbers than what? Go by whichever race gets the most whine? That is the point. After the 1.1 patch tvz was at 50%. But because of Zerg being the race with the most whiners they released a patch that seems a little too much. I honestly dont mind reapers not being a factor, all i used them for was scouting anyway. And as a terran personally i dont mind the Roach range that much as my unit comp is ususally marines mauraders medivacs and tanks. I do however feel sorry for protoss with the roach range upgrade as it will make their early expansions that much harder. Meh, i feel like the depo before raks thing seems retarded but as i play standard anyway n always do 10 depo 11 raks it doesnt really matter. However i feel like it is a little lame for those fun situations where ur base is destroyed and u r trying to make a come back and all u have is a bunch of lifted buildings and oh wait now i need to make a depo before making my tier 1 units again. Ohwel, not too many complaints to me except i am a bit concerned about those unsaid 'other changes' suposedly being applied with it. Just dont really feel as though the game needs that much to be changed. Maybe a little tweaking here n there. | ||
Wunder
United Kingdom2950 Posts
Fungal Growth/Roach Range is very interesting and unfortunately with the huge Reaper nerfs I highly doubt we will ever see them used in early game, as Marauders are still much more useful in taking out buildings, and are more sturdy/armored. Poor Reaper. | ||
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MeteorRise
Canada611 Posts
But i think that the main problem with balance right now is the maps, imo they need better quality map makers and some new sweet maps in the pool right now. | ||
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Archmage
United States169 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On October 08 2010 11:20 fusihunter wrote: Don't know why you're all complaining about Reaper speed coming from factory..... We need a lair for roach speed, and with jet packs you're still faster.. Because there is absolutely no reason to ever make speed reapers when you have a factory and could just make medivacs instead, and fill them up with units that can actually fight. Its like if youd put lings and ultras on almost the same tier, and have the ultras cost almost the same as the lings. Reapers will NEVER be used now - before speed upgrade they are completely useless and by the time you have a factory, zerg will have no problem defending the reapers, I am pretty sure, as you were completely unable to slow him down in the early game (no speed reapers remember?). Oh in addition, reapers take FOREVER to build... | ||
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Somi
Pakistan123 Posts
Tho I agree that Nitro should be left untouched or just 25/25 increase in cost..factory option just doesnt makes sense at all. Tho in short term it'll just make Prot vs Terran even more skewed? I'm not sure, dun follow PvT. | ||
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Slago
Canada726 Posts
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
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