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On October 04 2010 16:55 kawatan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 16:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 04 2010 16:40 kawatan wrote:
yay proleague is alive and well for at least one more season which will be bad for sc2 and 2012 proleague might just happen Why would it be bad for sc2...both should survive. sc1 pros considering the shift to sc2 might just stay-depriving sc2 of readily available talent. by keeping the sc2 field mediocre it'll follow the same path of sc1 tournaments that were exclusively for women.
Except plenty of players are going over to SC2 including the likes of Oov, Boxer, the already established pros like Cool and Rainbow. SC2 doesn't NEED the SC1 pros, they would only add a boost to the scene.
Also, any new player is likely to play SC2 from here on out, I would think. Learning curve is nowhere near as intense as it is in BW.
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On October 05 2010 02:35 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 16:55 kawatan wrote:On October 04 2010 16:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 04 2010 16:40 kawatan wrote:
yay proleague is alive and well for at least one more season which will be bad for sc2 and 2012 proleague might just happen Why would it be bad for sc2...both should survive. sc1 pros considering the shift to sc2 might just stay-depriving sc2 of readily available talent. by keeping the sc2 field mediocre it'll follow the same path of sc1 tournaments that were exclusively for women. Except plenty of players are going over to SC2 including the likes of Oov, Boxer, the already established pros like Cool and Rainbow. SC2 doesn't NEED the SC1 pros, they would only add a boost to the scene. Also, any new player is likely to play SC2 from here on out, I would think. Learning curve is nowhere near as intense as it is in BW.
well then what we need is for an established sc2 player to move into bw. and if a player cares more about the game than himself, then he'd do it.
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According to how this story is posted, I really don't see the fault in what Gretech is doing. This is assuming there isn't any meaning lost in translation.
They are the sole entity capable of sub contracting the rights to SCBW. OGN realizes this and negotiates quickly: good business model. MBC decides they rather take their chances and ignore the negotiating process risking legal action: poor business model.
It seems like the money really is a non-issue, since the amount really is very small in the corporate world. The bigger issue is just MBC not recognizing the authority of Gretech. If Gretech lets it go, it would set a terrible precedent not only for the remainder of BW but for SC2 as well, which is the future. If they are the only ones with the broadcast rights, they should act like it and protect that fact. If they show weakness or sloppiness in exercising their rights, no one should pay attention to them at all.
They are relatively new in the BW as a corporate entity, but that doesn't exclude them for having the final authority licensed by blizzard. The best thing for the industry, is for the players to recognize this fact and follow suit.
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I wonder what MBC would have to do to get the rights now.
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from what i understand from earlier news articles is that MBC has more then 1 league they want to run.. Which is why GTech asked for a contract per league. So the dislike from MBC was literallty paying double for a year of broadcasting rights for its leagues.
Reading this origional post here aswell seems like its just a persons opionated peice. Who knows what Gom and Kespa/MBC said and how the parties feel about it. At the end of the day they're gunna pay per league or not have a league(s) at all.
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I really hope they can work some thing out soon! As long as OSL and Proleague keep going I'll be happy.
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On October 04 2010 19:10 Kishkumen wrote:
I am I the only one who feels like this situation is way more complicated than I can make judgments about? It seems like lots of people are trying to make things black and white when to me it all looks pretty gray. I guess everyone needs heroes and villains.
Oh yes.
I've been "behind the scenes" of quite a few things that has been printed in the 'press' - not to claim I had anything to do with these things but I had, on these occasions, a extremely good insight on what really happend. Point being, things are always a lot more complicated and deeper then what the we - the public will ever know. It's business and it's rational - unlike some of the comments made here.
On October 05 2010 03:24 cerebralz wrote:
According to how this story is posted, I really don't see the fault in what Gretech is doing. This is assuming there isn't any meaning lost in translation.
They are the sole entity capable of sub contracting the rights to SCBW. OGN realizes this and negotiates quickly: good business model. MBC decides they rather take their chances and ignore the negotiating process risking legal action: poor business model.
It seems like the money really is a non-issue, since the amount really is very small in the corporate world. The bigger issue is just MBC not recognizing the authority of Gretech. If Gretech lets it go, it would set a terrible precedent not only for the remainder of BW but for SC2 as well, which is the future. If they are the only ones with the broadcast rights, they should act like it and protect that fact. If they show weakness or sloppiness in exercising their rights, no one should pay attention to them at all.
They are relatively new in the BW as a corporate entity, but that doesn't exclude them for having the final authority licensed by blizzard. The best thing for the industry, is for the players to recognize this fact and follow suit.
I also think this will become a precedent that will carry over to SC2 - no matter the final outcome.
And this ultimately what Blizzard/Gretech is trying to protect.
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That's pretty lame by Gretech.
I think it was a bit of a sneaky move by MBC to move up their entire schedule, while not trying to negotiate, but I don't see anything wrong with it. If Gretech really cared so much about it, they should have made the deadline a date closer to when negotiations were going on. If MBC continued past that, I could see some justification in their decision. But nope, MBC just altered their schedule to close before the date that they were told they had to stop broadcasting by. It's Gretech's fault for not seeing that as a likely outcome.
I'm curious as to what "small" fee they want OGN to pay. If it's significantly less than the 250k, then I see no reason for them not to take it and let MBC/OGN broadcast.
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I think Gretech shouldn't get upset and cry like little babies just because MBC didn't contact them earlier. No one knew what was going to happen
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On October 04 2010 23:57 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 21:18 Telcontar wrote:
300,000,000 won is about $260,000 right? thats a lot of money... It may sound like a lot but relevant to the situation here it is really not much at all.
To sort of put it in context,
KeSPA charged IEG something like 1,700,000,000 won for 3 years of broadcasting rights
KeSPA/IEG charged OGN/MBC 750,000,000 won each for 3 years of broadcasting rights of Proleague. (250,000,000 per year)
The 300,000,000 won is supposed to cover not just Proleague but OSL and MSL too. It also allows Gretech to broadcast the games made on there.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=51025
Just to put it into perspective of how much money has been being thrown around with broadcasting rights.
Basically you can also see why IEG left the market really quickly after this, because Gretech now has exclusive rights to SC 
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Gretech is doing exactly what any good business would do. They own the rights to broadcasting and they need to set the stage for how broadcasting will work in starcraft. If you even threaten legal action or ignore the rights that gretech has, then you will not be given any respect. I 100% don't support any orginization that threatens to disregard the law.
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Gretech had to do it to reaffirm their position. Of course this isn't good for BW but it was necessary in my opinion. MBC wasn't going to be scott free for breaking the law and ignoring Gretech. If they don't do this, nobody's going to listen to gretech and negotiations will be extended until next year possibly.
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Some notes were left off from OP's post. As a result, it made Gretech look bit more evil than they should really be.
The article's reporter said:
1. Gretech have stated during 5th negotiation that as long as KeSPA and others recognize intellectual property ownership of SC1 to Gretech, Gretech would allow SC1 Proleague for a very small fee. This offer was made by Gretech first. [The article reporter] believes Gretech is more interested in getting IP ownership recognized rather than the money.
2. Reason why Gretech does not want to deal with MBC is because MBC is already deciding what date next season's prelims would start, as well as preparing to force the league while negotiations weren't even complete. So, [reporter believes] Gretech does not wish to acknowledge MBCGame as one of the official Proleague platform because MBCGame does not appear to respect Gretech's IP.
3. [Reporter believes] KeSPA's position can be understood as, not only they will not accept MBCGame being excluded, all IP-related negotiations relating to Proleague/Starleague will be done within KeSPA.
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On October 05 2010 05:45 Selith wrote:
Some notes were left off from OP's post. As a result, it made Gretech look bit more evil than they should really be.
The article's reporter said:
1. Gretech have stated during 5th negotiation that as long as KeSPA and others recognize intellectual property ownership of SC1 to Gretech, Gretech would allow SC1 Proleague for a very small fee. This offer was made by Gretech first. [The article reporter] believes Gretech is more interested in getting IP ownership recognized rather than the money.
2. Reason why Gretech does not want to deal with MBC is because MBC is already deciding what date next season's prelims would start, as well as preparing to force the league while negotiations weren't even complete. So, [reporter believes] Gretech does not wish to acknowledge MBCGame as one of the official Proleague platform because MBCGame does not appear to respect Gretech's IP.
3. [Reporter believes] KeSPA's position can be understood as, not only they will not accept MBCGame being excluded, all IP-related negotiations relating to Proleague/Starleague will be done within KeSPA.
Writing this article at 2am does not help either. I'm here to clean up the OP.
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On October 05 2010 04:32 Legace wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 19:10 Kishkumen wrote:
I am I the only one who feels like this situation is way more complicated than I can make judgments about? It seems like lots of people are trying to make things black and white when to me it all looks pretty gray. I guess everyone needs heroes and villains. Oh yes. I've been "behind the scenes" of quite a few things that has been printed in the 'press' - not to claim I had anything to do with these things but I had, on these occasions, a extremely good insight on what really happend. Point being, things are always a lot more complicated and deeper then what the we - the public will ever know. It's business and it's rational - unlike some of the comments made here.
Believe me, hell is very rational.
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I'm always amazed at how quickly people forget how badly KeSPA crushed GOM into the ground when there was no IP rights.
That has to leave a fowl taste in the mouth.
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I find it very amusing every time someone brings up a corporation and the word "Greed" in the same sentence.
The purpose of a corporation is to...
Wait for it...
Make money for their shareholders.
Now, it may be that "Playing nice" will end up making more money for Gretech's shareholders, then antagonising MBC. If you're going to argue that, argue that, instead of accusing a company of being greedy. That's like accusing water of being wet.
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Seems to me that Gretech only gave OGN the light deal because they know they can still bully around (or try to) MBC/KeSPA. Giving OGN what they want for little fee is a really good PR move that looks good for them but still puts them in a position where they can say MBC is in the wrong for trying to end their stuff before September, and continue to negotiate with KeSPA.
Also Gretech seems really pissed off about MBC ending everything in August; unless Gretech stated that they wanted MBC to continue broadcasting into September with royalties going to Gretech this seems like a really dumb thing to be picky about. They were told they had to end before September and they did.
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On October 05 2010 07:25 Nightfall.589 wrote:
I find it very amusing every time someone brings up a corporation and the word "Greed" in the same sentence.
The purpose of a corporation is to...
Wait for it...
Make money for their shareholders.
Now, it may be that "Playing nice" will end up making more money for Gretech's shareholders, then antagonising MBC. If you're going to argue that, argue that, instead of accusing a company of being greedy. That's like accusing water of being wet.
Just because your goal is to make money for your shareholders doesn't mean that that is valid justification for terrible business ethics.
Some corporations hold themselves to a higher standard, it's about making money, but doing it the right way.
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On October 05 2010 04:54 Milkis wrote:
KeSPA charged IEG something like 1,700,000,000 won for 3 years of broadcasting rights
KeSPA/IEG charged OGN/MBC 750,000,000 won each for 3 years of broadcasting rights of Proleague
Wait, so IEG lost 200M on the deal?
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