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On October 04 2010 16:15 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 15:59 ArvickHero wrote:On October 04 2010 15:55 PrinceXizor wrote:
sounds like kespa trying to help its business partners and gretech not liking mbcs attitude and pulling the plug until mbc drops its attitude. no good can come from a stalemate on either side, and both sc1 and sc2 will suffer until mbc conceeds or gretech does. at least ogn will be good. and thats enough for me. (as it means sc1 will continue) MBC can't concede to anything lol, Gretech is just being a little bitch and wants to find some excuse to kill the BW scene. Bunch of bastards, I'm glad me and all of my friends deleted GOM player from our computers. well sounds like to me both MBC and Gretech are being bitches about each other.......Seems like a normal family to me. Gretech:Dad KeSPA:Mom MBC:Renegade teen son OGN:Younger brother who always gets what he wants. this is my simple yet very crude analogy.
This made me laugh, but it's an interesting point though.
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On October 04 2010 16:21 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 16:15 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 04 2010 15:59 ArvickHero wrote:On October 04 2010 15:55 PrinceXizor wrote:
sounds like kespa trying to help its business partners and gretech not liking mbcs attitude and pulling the plug until mbc drops its attitude. no good can come from a stalemate on either side, and both sc1 and sc2 will suffer until mbc conceeds or gretech does. at least ogn will be good. and thats enough for me. (as it means sc1 will continue) MBC can't concede to anything lol, Gretech is just being a little bitch and wants to find some excuse to kill the BW scene. Bunch of bastards, I'm glad me and all of my friends deleted GOM player from our computers. well sounds like to me both MBC and Gretech are being bitches about each other.......Seems like a normal family to me. Gretech:Dad KeSPA:Mom MBC:Renegade teen son OGN:Younger brother who always gets what he wants. this is my simple yet very crude analogy. Really, MBC didn't do anything bad here, they complied with GOM's rules about not broadcasting games past August and so they did it. They just chose not to go into negotiations while their games were still broadcasting (whereas OGN took the initiative), so GOM gets pissy over it. Why the fuck they do, I don't even know, I can only guess they just want to kill the BW scene. as for analogies, this is mine KeSPA: Mom who raised the family by herself, made a lot of mistakes but was overall decent. Gretech: Crack addict divorced father who just came out of jail and now wants full custody rights to the kids. OGN: Kid who thinks its better to defer to the father to avoid conflict and ensure safety in the future MBC: Kid who refuses to speak with the father.
No, this is the right analogy:
KeSPA: Mom who is an alchoholic, sucks her children dry, beats them for no reason other then to feel in control and ran off with some random guy she picked up in a bar leaving her kids to fend for themselves then came crying back months later.
IEG: Random guy
Gretech: Hard working upstanding real dad who made some mistakes but is overall decent, who tried to help look after the kids, who encouraged them to explore and nurture their talents and expand and go to international college. But Mom didn't like her kids leaving home so she accused dad of abuse and had the courts give her sole custody. But Dad got a great new lawyer who overturned the custody ruling and now he's back, and he ain't taking Mom's shit anymore.
Blizzard: Great new lawyer. Is he good, is he bad? Nobody knows but the fans like him just because he's on the poor Dad's side.
OGN: Eldest son who is smart, capable, and always ends up excelling at everything he does.
MBC: Youngest son who tries really hard but always ends up fumbling things up and making bad decisions.
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On October 04 2010 18:29 nadafanboy42 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 16:21 ArvickHero wrote:On October 04 2010 16:15 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 04 2010 15:59 ArvickHero wrote:On October 04 2010 15:55 PrinceXizor wrote:
sounds like kespa trying to help its business partners and gretech not liking mbcs attitude and pulling the plug until mbc drops its attitude. no good can come from a stalemate on either side, and both sc1 and sc2 will suffer until mbc conceeds or gretech does. at least ogn will be good. and thats enough for me. (as it means sc1 will continue) MBC can't concede to anything lol, Gretech is just being a little bitch and wants to find some excuse to kill the BW scene. Bunch of bastards, I'm glad me and all of my friends deleted GOM player from our computers. well sounds like to me both MBC and Gretech are being bitches about each other.......Seems like a normal family to me. Gretech:Dad KeSPA:Mom MBC:Renegade teen son OGN:Younger brother who always gets what he wants. this is my simple yet very crude analogy. Really, MBC didn't do anything bad here, they complied with GOM's rules about not broadcasting games past August and so they did it. They just chose not to go into negotiations while their games were still broadcasting (whereas OGN took the initiative), so GOM gets pissy over it. Why the fuck they do, I don't even know, I can only guess they just want to kill the BW scene. as for analogies, this is mine KeSPA: Mom who raised the family by herself, made a lot of mistakes but was overall decent. Gretech: Crack addict divorced father who just came out of jail and now wants full custody rights to the kids. OGN: Kid who thinks its better to defer to the father to avoid conflict and ensure safety in the future MBC: Kid who refuses to speak with the father. No, this is the right analogy: KeSPA: Mom who is an alchoholic, sucks her children dry, beats them for no reason other then to feel in control and ran off with some random guy she picked up in a bar leaving her kids to fend for themselves then came crying back months later. IEM: Random Guy Gretech: Hard working upstanding real dad who made some mistakes but is overall decent, who tried to help look after the kids, who encouraged them to explore and nurture their talents and expand and go to international college. But Mom didn't like her kids leaving home so she accused dad of abuse and had the courts give her sole custody. But Dad got a great new lawyer who overturned the custody ruling and now he's back, and he ain't taking Mom's shit anymore. Blizzard: Great new lawyer. Is he good, is he bad? Nobody knows but the fans like him just because he's on the poor Dad's side. OGN: Eldest son who is smart, capable, and always ends up excelling at everything he does. MBC: Youngest son who tries really hard but always ends up fumbling things up and making bad decisions.
Hate to post a oneliner but seriously... lolwut?!
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Thanks for the update. Fucking Gretech being greedy dicks as usual. Still hoping KeSPA bitchslaps them in court, but alas I expect rough times ahead.
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On October 04 2010 18:37 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 18:29 nadafanboy42 wrote:On October 04 2010 16:21 ArvickHero wrote:On October 04 2010 16:15 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 04 2010 15:59 ArvickHero wrote:On October 04 2010 15:55 PrinceXizor wrote:
sounds like kespa trying to help its business partners and gretech not liking mbcs attitude and pulling the plug until mbc drops its attitude. no good can come from a stalemate on either side, and both sc1 and sc2 will suffer until mbc conceeds or gretech does. at least ogn will be good. and thats enough for me. (as it means sc1 will continue) MBC can't concede to anything lol, Gretech is just being a little bitch and wants to find some excuse to kill the BW scene. Bunch of bastards, I'm glad me and all of my friends deleted GOM player from our computers. well sounds like to me both MBC and Gretech are being bitches about each other.......Seems like a normal family to me. Gretech:Dad KeSPA:Mom MBC:Renegade teen son OGN:Younger brother who always gets what he wants. this is my simple yet very crude analogy. Really, MBC didn't do anything bad here, they complied with GOM's rules about not broadcasting games past August and so they did it. They just chose not to go into negotiations while their games were still broadcasting (whereas OGN took the initiative), so GOM gets pissy over it. Why the fuck they do, I don't even know, I can only guess they just want to kill the BW scene. as for analogies, this is mine KeSPA: Mom who raised the family by herself, made a lot of mistakes but was overall decent. Gretech: Crack addict divorced father who just came out of jail and now wants full custody rights to the kids. OGN: Kid who thinks its better to defer to the father to avoid conflict and ensure safety in the future MBC: Kid who refuses to speak with the father. No, this is the right analogy: KeSPA: Mom who is an alchoholic, sucks her children dry, beats them for no reason other then to feel in control and ran off with some random guy she picked up in a bar leaving her kids to fend for themselves then came crying back months later. IEG: Random guy Gretech: Hard working upstanding real dad who made some mistakes but is overall decent, who tried to help look after the kids, who encouraged them to explore and nurture their talents and expand and go to international college. But Mom didn't like her kids leaving home so she accused dad of abuse and had the courts give her sole custody. But Dad got a great new lawyer who overturned the custody ruling and now he's back, and he ain't taking Mom's shit anymore. Blizzard: Great new lawyer. Is he good, is he bad? Nobody knows but the fans like him just because he's on the poor Dad's side. OGN: Eldest son who is smart, capable, and always ends up excelling at everything he does. MBC: Youngest son who tries really hard but always ends up fumbling things up and making bad decisions. Hate to post a oneliner but seriously... lolwut?!
You should know what I'm referencing, lol. :p Had to correct that though, is IEG, got confused with the western company.
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I am I the only one who feels like this situation is way more complicated than I can make judgments about? It seems like lots of people are trying to make things black and white when to me it all looks pretty gray. I guess everyone needs heroes and villains.
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On October 04 2010 18:29 nadafanboy42 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 16:21 ArvickHero wrote:On October 04 2010 16:15 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 04 2010 15:59 ArvickHero wrote:On October 04 2010 15:55 PrinceXizor wrote:
sounds like kespa trying to help its business partners and gretech not liking mbcs attitude and pulling the plug until mbc drops its attitude. no good can come from a stalemate on either side, and both sc1 and sc2 will suffer until mbc conceeds or gretech does. at least ogn will be good. and thats enough for me. (as it means sc1 will continue) MBC can't concede to anything lol, Gretech is just being a little bitch and wants to find some excuse to kill the BW scene. Bunch of bastards, I'm glad me and all of my friends deleted GOM player from our computers. well sounds like to me both MBC and Gretech are being bitches about each other.......Seems like a normal family to me. Gretech:Dad KeSPA:Mom MBC:Renegade teen son OGN:Younger brother who always gets what he wants. this is my simple yet very crude analogy. Really, MBC didn't do anything bad here, they complied with GOM's rules about not broadcasting games past August and so they did it. They just chose not to go into negotiations while their games were still broadcasting (whereas OGN took the initiative), so GOM gets pissy over it. Why the fuck they do, I don't even know, I can only guess they just want to kill the BW scene. as for analogies, this is mine KeSPA: Mom who raised the family by herself, made a lot of mistakes but was overall decent. Gretech: Crack addict divorced father who just came out of jail and now wants full custody rights to the kids. OGN: Kid who thinks its better to defer to the father to avoid conflict and ensure safety in the future MBC: Kid who refuses to speak with the father. No, this is the right analogy: KeSPA: Mom who is an alchoholic, sucks her children dry, beats them for no reason other then to feel in control and ran off with some random guy she picked up in a bar leaving her kids to fend for themselves then came crying back months later. IEG: Random guy Gretech : Hard working upstanding real dad who made some mistakes but is overall decent, who tried to help look after the kids, who encouraged them to explore and nurture their talents and expand and go to international college. But Mom didn't like her kids leaving home so she accused dad of abuse and had the courts give her sole custody. But Dad got a great new lawyer who overturned the custody ruling and now he's back, and he ain't taking Mom's shit anymore. Blizzard: Great new lawyer. Is he good, is he bad? Nobody knows but the fans like him just because he's on the poor Dad's side. OGN: Eldest son who is smart, capable, and always ends up excelling at everything he does. MBC: Youngest son who tries really hard but always ends up fumbling things up and making bad decisions.
I dont usually post one-liner either but seriously lolwut?!?!.. I even took the effort to read your post over. When was it that Gretech who tried to help look after the kids, who encouraged them to explore and nurture their talents and expand and go to international college. ?? I dont recall them doing ANYTHING contructive to the pro-scene at all (other than Blizz making the game and ALREADY got paid for it, maybe).
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51100 Posts
wtf with these right/wrong analogies,I was only giving you my analogy.
I post my opinion since I lack facts.
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On October 04 2010 18:29 nadafanboy42 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 16:21 ArvickHero wrote:On October 04 2010 16:15 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 04 2010 15:59 ArvickHero wrote:On October 04 2010 15:55 PrinceXizor wrote:
sounds like kespa trying to help its business partners and gretech not liking mbcs attitude and pulling the plug until mbc drops its attitude. no good can come from a stalemate on either side, and both sc1 and sc2 will suffer until mbc conceeds or gretech does. at least ogn will be good. and thats enough for me. (as it means sc1 will continue) MBC can't concede to anything lol, Gretech is just being a little bitch and wants to find some excuse to kill the BW scene. Bunch of bastards, I'm glad me and all of my friends deleted GOM player from our computers. well sounds like to me both MBC and Gretech are being bitches about each other.......Seems like a normal family to me. Gretech:Dad KeSPA:Mom MBC:Renegade teen son OGN:Younger brother who always gets what he wants. this is my simple yet very crude analogy. Really, MBC didn't do anything bad here, they complied with GOM's rules about not broadcasting games past August and so they did it. They just chose not to go into negotiations while their games were still broadcasting (whereas OGN took the initiative), so GOM gets pissy over it. Why the fuck they do, I don't even know, I can only guess they just want to kill the BW scene. as for analogies, this is mine KeSPA: Mom who raised the family by herself, made a lot of mistakes but was overall decent. Gretech: Crack addict divorced father who just came out of jail and now wants full custody rights to the kids. OGN: Kid who thinks its better to defer to the father to avoid conflict and ensure safety in the future MBC: Kid who refuses to speak with the father. No, this is the right analogy: KeSPA: Mom who is an alchoholic, sucks her children dry, beats them for no reason other then to feel in control and ran off with some random guy she picked up in a bar leaving her kids to fend for themselves then came crying back months later. IEG: Random guy Gretech: Hard working upstanding real dad who made some mistakes but is overall decent, who tried to help look after the kids, who encouraged them to explore and nurture their talents and expand and go to international college. But Mom didn't like her kids leaving home so she accused dad of abuse and had the courts give her sole custody. But Dad got a great new lawyer who overturned the custody ruling and now he's back, and he ain't taking Mom's shit anymore. Blizzard: Great new lawyer. Is he good, is he bad? Nobody knows but the fans like him just because he's on the poor Dad's side. OGN: Eldest son who is smart, capable, and always ends up excelling at everything he does. MBC: Youngest son who tries really hard but always ends up fumbling things up and making bad decisions.
I liked the other analogies better 
People talk about Kespa sucking but they've managed to run the BW scene in Korea for 10+ years without too many hiccups/injustices and it is still going strong, an achievement in itself. Sure, you have some shit going around like disqualifying Leta, GoRush, and the free agent crap, but free agent got scrapped and those controversial calls really didn't affect anything in the long term.
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On October 04 2010 19:10 Kishkumen wrote:
I am I the only one who feels like this situation is way more complicated than I can make judgments about? It seems like lots of people are trying to make things black and white when to me it all looks pretty gray. I guess everyone needs heroes and villains.
it does look pretty gray but i think its clear that Kespa is obviously the lesser evil here. sure kespa has fucked up a bit in the past (leta, gorush, free agency, etc) but what has gretech done for esports? jack shit. You can argue that OGN/MBC/the players have done much more for esports than Kespa, but Gretech is just barging in here trying to kill the entire BW scene and failing that, at least earn a fat load of money that they don't even deserve.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51100 Posts
its easier for people to just see things in black and white,but its clear to me that neither of them are necessarily greater or lesser evils......Currently i feel like Gretech is on a personal vendetta on KeSPA for fucking with them in the past but I really doubt they want to kill off BW just like that...Probably just poisoning them slowly,making it look like its a natural death.
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sweet sweet news ..
im hoping to hear those gretech fan boys read their opinions regarding the matter. just goes to show that kespa is reasonable while gretech is acting all childish/greedy.
edit: oh wait theres a gretech fan boy now .. and a blind one at that??
gretech doing decent? its not even half decent.
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We should just relax and enjoy the next Proleague, OSL and MSL. Just let the business guys do their business. If you hate Gretech then just don't use their products, that is the best we can do about it. Posting angry posts will not solve any problems at all.
Ah by the way, don't worry about the death of BW, it has government and military support, that means it has the support of the police and the army. Something like that cannot die lol.
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Aside from fucking us fans over, can you imagine how it would feel for the actual players if Gretech successfully killed off BW? They have pretty much devoted their life to playing this game for fucks sake. Goddamnit.
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On October 04 2010 20:06 Holgerius wrote:Aside from fucking us fans over, can you imagine how it would feel for the actual players if Gretech successfully killed off BW? They have pretty much devoted their life to playing this game for fucks sake. Goddamnit.
true .. i heard that idra doesn't like kespa but seeing how these things are happening, gretech is much worse(?) .. i dont know ..
we should just all wait for the PL to kick in and see how its going to appeal to the mass. The death of BW will not be by the hands of companies but by the fans themselves .. if people doesn't like BW anymore, then its done :D
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On October 04 2010 20:19 aimaimaim wrote:
we should just all wait for the PL to kick in and see how its going to appeal to the mass. The death of BW will not be by the hands of companies but by the fans themselves .. if people doesn't like BW anymore, then its done :D
I agree with this. BW wont die just because Gretech decides to shut down broadcasting. Im pretty damn sure KeSPA will find another way to get out on the air. The only thing that can shut down BW is when the fans start abandoning it.
If you look at it right now, i think the BW-fans are more resolved to keep the game alive than ever.
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so... in a nutshell, OGN has got the greenlight for broadccasting SC:BW, but since that MBC is acting kinda like a douche by not acknowledging Gretechs latest new found authority, Gretech decides to be a douche to them to punish both OGN and MBC because they are both represented by KeSPA, am i understanding this correctly?
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On October 04 2010 20:57 Shizuru~ wrote:
so... in a nutshell, OGN has got the greenlight for broadccasting SC:BW, but since that MBC is acting kinda like a douche by not acknowledging Gretechs latest new found authority, Gretech decides to be a douche to them to punish both OGN and MBC because they are both represented by KeSPA, am i understanding this correctly?
from the looks of it only MBC...not even KeSPA..
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300,000,000 won is about $260,000 right? thats a lot of money...
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"Although Gretech allowed everyone to broadcast Starcraft matches until August, OGN has come to an agreement for Starleague Season 2. On the other hand, MBC used the period and ended all leagues before September, avoiding legal issues." MBC didnt break any rules. The doucheness is soley on Greedtechs part.
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