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On October 06 2010 14:22 palexhur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 14:00 AlBundy wrote:On October 06 2010 13:36 palexhur wrote:
When I put the money I make the rules, It is as simple as that, If some employee in my company is promoting other products but mine, I got to tell you He will be fired right there. I am paying the worker from my pocket in order to get profits for the selling of my product not others, that applies at every bussines in the world, including e-sports. Are you talking about KeSPA and NaDa ? I thought KeSPA was a non-profit association... Hmm I might want to re-read all these threads before posting more. From where the money comes?, please be logical, the sponsor companies (Kespa) give the money , if their profit is only advertising (and not some money figures in the annual sheet) for their companies or products , let them be. Btw I am refering to people who says that Kespa has no right to cancel the showmatch of Nada, He and whoever signs a contract with Kespa is tied to that. On the other hand of course if Nada didnt want to renew the contract and want to play pacman, chess, SC2 or whatever, It is his choice. At the end I suposse Kespa felt betrayed because Nada was an icon and He was in a big salary because of that, not because right now He had any real chance of winning anything in the pro-scene.
Well, I guess they have the right to put Nada as retired/amateur, but do they really have to erase Nada record? and 3 years penalty? That feels completely over board, NBA didn't erase Michael Jordan's records when he went to play baseball. He is still welcomed back in the game when he returns. Probably Nada did something else in addition that we don't know of, but still....
I just find it really hard to support any sports organisation like that.
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On October 06 2010 15:07 biskit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 14:20 Loanshark wrote:
It's a shitty game which people only play because it followed the best RTS ever made. The Starcraft 2 scene is what is simply because it has Starcraft in the name. Only reason why the pros switched over. If we changed the names of the units, the name of the game, and the names of Raynor, Zeratul, Kerrigan, Mengsk, no one would give a shit about this game.
Yes, million of people will play Blizzard game even if they change all the names. Tell me which Blizzard game is not ridiculously successful? [...]
Blizz games have been successful, but you can notice a decrease in quality over time.
Check out the WC3 scene, it doesnt even have 10% the amount of hype/skill/spectating value compared to BW. Not to mention is heavily unbalanced (theres not a single player at the top that plays Undead.. Night Elf, Human, n now Orc took turn to be overpowered, but nvr before has all 3 of them been in perfect balance). Hell even a WC3 custom maps is owning the actual game in terms of popularity right now (DotA aka Defense of the Ancients).. It is probably for this reaon (that Blizz cant cash in on DotA's popularity at all) that they made their new shitty rule about all Custom Maps in Starcrap2 now belong to them n shits.
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just because blizzard games are succssful doesnt mean they are all good...
BW was awesome, D2 was Awesome , wc3 was decent , SCII is terrible.
and yes change the the names of SCII characters or just the gamename and sooo 100% sure u would have atleast 50% people less playing it... but i would say even more.
the main reason people play it is because its new and blizzard is throwing money at it and everyone thinks he can make some fast money and because it has Starcraft in his name.
Because if u think about it as some normal RTS game its nothing special and nothign 2 freak out about.
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On October 06 2010 16:04 ffreakk wrote:
Starcrap2 now belong to them n shits.
![[image loading]](http://i53.tinypic.com/2isdzdw.jpg)
User was temp banned for this post.
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Quality is subjective. But if you want to play by the numbers, SC2 got 93 from Metacritics, and 92.29% from gamerankings. BW got 92% from gamerankings (combining PC and Mac version).
The game is not balanced yet. BW wasn't balanced yet either when it first came out.
Starcrap... lol
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Kespa does annoying things like that. All such associations are petty. The English FA for instance annoys me like hell.
But I'm looking at the bigger picture.
At the end of the day, its one organisation (Kespa) that supports/sponsors BW against another that wants to see it shut down (Gretech). I like watching BW. I like the Korean BW proscene. So the choice is very clear to me who I support on this one.
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On October 06 2010 16:27 toogrimtoparty wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 16:04 ffreakk wrote:
Starcrap2 now belong to them n shits.
why do we still have these kinds of posters?
and Ryo,you can't just say that Gretech wants to kill BW off...They just want control over it its not the same thing it just leads to the death of brood war in sometime(not relatively soon) in the future.
nothing that has happened so far really proves that Gretech wants to kill BW.
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Of course, forcing less-than-optimal time-slot.. Adding unnecessary trouble even when the other side showed willingness to compromise (MBC did exactly as they are told, but Gretech obviously wasnt happy with that.. OGN had to negotiate cos they couldnt finish their Tourney on time)..
Its like chopping off a guy's limps but keeping him alive.. Sure its not "killing", but making sure that while you live, you dont live very well, nor will you live for very long.. They cant just kill BW straight off. They are not stupid enough to not realise how bad PR it is, and how much potential fans they will be losing.. So from what i see, appearing diplomatic and compromising while secretly strangle the other side to death.. Good business vision from Gretech.
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On October 06 2010 20:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 16:27 toogrimtoparty wrote:On October 06 2010 16:04 ffreakk wrote:
Starcrap2 now belong to them n shits. why do we still have these kinds of posters? and Ryo,you can't just say that Gretech wants to kill BW off...They just want control over it its not the same thing it just leads to the death of brood war in sometime(not relatively soon) in the future. nothing that has happened so far really proves that Gretech wants to kill BW.
You haven't done your homework now have you...
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On October 06 2010 20:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 16:27 toogrimtoparty wrote:On October 06 2010 16:04 ffreakk wrote:
Starcrap2 now belong to them n shits. why do we still have these kinds of posters? and Ryo,you can't just say that Gretech wants to kill BW off...They just want control over it its not the same thing it just leads to the death of brood war in sometime(not relatively soon) in the future. nothing that has happened so far really proves that Gretech wants to kill BW.
"Gretech refuses to sign off on the Proleague because it will compete with the GSL. KeSPA asks to confirm if Gretech is killing Proleague off because it does not benefit Gretech. Gretech answers yes. Negotiations end." - 4th negotiation.
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On October 07 2010 01:11 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 20:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 06 2010 16:27 toogrimtoparty wrote:On October 06 2010 16:04 ffreakk wrote:
Starcrap2 now belong to them n shits. why do we still have these kinds of posters? and Ryo,you can't just say that Gretech wants to kill BW off...They just want control over it its not the same thing it just leads to the death of brood war in sometime(not relatively soon) in the future. nothing that has happened so far really proves that Gretech wants to kill BW. "Gretech refuses to sign off on the Proleague because it will compete with the GSL. KeSPA asks to confirm if Gretech is killing Proleague off because it does not benefit Gretech. Gretech answers yes. Negotiations end." - 4th negotiation.
Facepalm....
forgot about this....my logic is flawed.
apologies.
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On October 07 2010 01:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 01:11 supernovamaniac wrote:On October 06 2010 20:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 06 2010 16:27 toogrimtoparty wrote:On October 06 2010 16:04 ffreakk wrote:
Starcrap2 now belong to them n shits. why do we still have these kinds of posters? and Ryo,you can't just say that Gretech wants to kill BW off...They just want control over it its not the same thing it just leads to the death of brood war in sometime(not relatively soon) in the future. nothing that has happened so far really proves that Gretech wants to kill BW. "Gretech refuses to sign off on the Proleague because it will compete with the GSL. KeSPA asks to confirm if Gretech is killing Proleague off because it does not benefit Gretech. Gretech answers yes. Negotiations end." - 4th negotiation. Facepalm.... forgot about this....my logic is flawed. apologies.
No apologies needed.
We really need one huge thread that sums up all the negotiations, as well as updating the main post when new stuff appens.
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If Blizzard intentionally made SC2 lack all the features that BW lacks (in order to increase the advantage mechanics grants the player), you'd have far more people complaining about how SC2 is years behind instead of a more condensed group of hardcores complaining that SC2 isn't BW2. Blizzard made the right choice for business, if not our hearts.
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Let's ignore all publicly stated reasons for now, and instead only make inferences based on actual agreements and demands. Gretech's okay with Ongamenet broadcasting things. Of course it is - they share the same parent company. And wanting to restrict MBCGame from broadcasting Brood War is virtually the same as restricting all competition with Ongamenet, since it's unlikely another company wants to jump in.
On the other hand, if you take the publicly stated reasoning at face value, Gretech is simply acting like a brat. They demand broadcasters to not broadcast past a certain date without a license, and MBCGame does so...which results in them getting angry at MBCGame. "Oh they're planning another league before getting a license" is not a good reason either, it makes sense for companies (and individuals) to make possible plans for the future even if not all things are in place yet. Did Gretech somehow want MBCGame to stop thinking about future leagues entirely before agreeements were in place?
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I disagree with your theory about restricting all competition with OGN. Gretech also wants ProLeague out of the picture. No PL basically means no BW progaming and in turn no reason for OGN to even exist.
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On October 05 2010 00:23 pR0gR4m3R wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 17:20 GTR wrote:
i guess i'll ask in here since all the translators on staff are away.
a) estro situation (start of october already)
b) savior's sentence for match fixing
c) any interviews post-chuseok for effort?
a) Dunno nothing yet. Seems like house could be still closed. Maybe Artosis/Tasteless could provide us with more "in site" info b) Sentence will be this Oct 6th c) As a big "Neo Messiah" fan, couldnt find any interviews for the last days. Personally I hope he could make like ex-Woongjin´s MVP, when this last one said to leave Stars for retirement, and then, few days later, gets into a Sc2 team and really to play this Oct qualification Regards
Anyone know if savior got the 18 months?
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I ll have to agree w Zona here, most of it anyway..
I am a little doubtful about the part that they are just weeding out competitors of OGN.. I feel that they are trying to deal damage to the whole Brood War scene, not outrightly killing but hurt it bad enough that it ll die on its own quickly.
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On October 06 2010 16:29 biskit wrote:
Quality is subjective. But if you want to play by the numbers, SC2 got 93 from Metacritics, and 92.29% from gamerankings. BW got 92% from gamerankings (combining PC and Mac version).
The game is not balanced yet. BW wasn't balanced yet either when it first came out.
Starcrap... lol
By the same token, let's all go be Red Dead Redemption pros...
We also all know how underrated BW was at the time. What was it they said... "Warcraft in space"..?
I just hope all this can be resolved, HOWEVER that is achieved, in a way which leaves our beloved BW intact. It's not the first time I've felt a real hate for all this corporate rubbish. You want GOM to go away? OFFER THEM SOME REAL MONEY, because that's sadly how it works. $200,000~ is absolute peanuts, just give them something they can use.
And Toogrimtoparty, whoever you are, that was one hilarious fail. First post, quite a heated topic, you paste in some stupid fucking picture and you get yourself instantly temp-banned. God, I hope I'm not the only one who thinks that's funny as hell... Fail at life right there.
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On October 07 2010 01:11 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 20:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 06 2010 16:27 toogrimtoparty wrote:On October 06 2010 16:04 ffreakk wrote:
Starcrap2 now belong to them n shits. why do we still have these kinds of posters? and Ryo,you can't just say that Gretech wants to kill BW off...They just want control over it its not the same thing it just leads to the death of brood war in sometime(not relatively soon) in the future. nothing that has happened so far really proves that Gretech wants to kill BW. "Gretech refuses to sign off on the Proleague because it will compete with the GSL. KeSPA asks to confirm if Gretech is killing Proleague off because it does not benefit Gretech. Gretech answers yes. Negotiations end." - 4th negotiation.
pretty sure it was later clarified from a non-kespa source that gretech just didn't want GSL and proleague airing at the same time.
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On October 07 2010 07:05 ImbaTosS wrote:
By the same token, let's all go be Red Dead Redemption pros...
We also all know how underrated BW was at the time. What was it they said... "Warcraft in space"..?
I don't understand what you mean by "Red Dead Redemption pros" ? (I heard it's a good game, haven't played it)
It's just people's opinions thinking SC2 is crap without being able to prove it by any means because actually the game is lauded universally by the media and a huge commercial success. It is the fastest selling RTS game of all time.
I don't think BW was underrated, it got pretty high rating as it is. And they called it as they see it, Warcraft in space which was the initial intention of developers pre-alpha build.
But yeah, neither my opinion nor the opinion of the mass can change anyone's opinion here. I prefer some objectivity when debating matter, otherwise opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one.
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