EPTIt's difficult to say anyone's really in this to save E-sports. No matter how you look at it, everyone is trying to preserve their own existence. It just so happens that Gretech is the one asking for money and KeSPA is the one refusing to pay it.
Gretech-Kespa Negotiation Update - Page 7
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Tomred87
United States46 Posts
It's difficult to say anyone's really in this to save E-sports. No matter how you look at it, everyone is trying to preserve their own existence. It just so happens that Gretech is the one asking for money and KeSPA is the one refusing to pay it. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5757 Posts
On October 05 2010 17:31 Tomred87 wrote: correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't KeSPA screw Gretech pretty damn hard in the past? By not sanctioning their league officially or something? And Gretech couldn't upkeep their tournament because of that and had to shut it down? It's difficult to say anyone's really in this to save E-sports. No matter how you look at it, everyone is trying to preserve their own existence. It just so happens that Gretech is the one asking for money and KeSPA is the one refusing to pay it. GOMTV StarLeague was doing fine until Gretech sided with Blizzard, which KeSPA were already at odd with (read about the way Blizzard treated KeSPA in their "negotiations" and what sort of demands they had). Not to mention the fact that several of the teams that withdrew from the league had valid reasons. There were maybe 2-4 teams that 99% boycotted the league out of political reasons (imo justified anyway) - SKT (because Gretech sided with KeSPA) and eSTRO (owned by IEG), OGN and MBC (conflict of interest). | ||
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hitthat
Poland2314 Posts
On October 05 2010 17:31 Tomred87 wrote: correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't KeSPA screw Gretech pretty damn hard in the past? By not sanctioning their league officially or something? And Gretech couldn't upkeep their tournament because of that and had to shut it down? It's difficult to say anyone's really in this to save E-sports. No matter how you look at it, everyone is trying to preserve their own existence. It just so happens that Gretech is the one asking for money and KeSPA is the one refusing to pay it. I though that KeSPA did not refuse to pay, but just didn't agree to change PL schedule? | ||
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suchanx7
Australia14 Posts
all other things aside, kespa is the one who refuses to reveal suggestions document to public, not gretech. its crystal clear which one of them is asking for an excessive demand just stop listening to both and see whats happening | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50637 Posts
On October 05 2010 20:43 suchanx7 wrote: ok none of us really know whats going on between those two. all other things aside, kespa is the one who refuses to reveal suggestions document to public, not gretech. its crystal clear which one of them is asking for an excessive demand just stop listening to both and see whats happening yeah the NDA is killing us...but with PL about to kick off soon we are likely to see the end of that. | ||
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GrazerRinge
999 Posts
On October 05 2010 02:06 Thurokiir wrote: They offered to pay out just above the amount of prizes for a single GSL season. Hardly a "big fee". Hardly a big fee? for a game which is more then a decade old and made sc scene famous as now it is??? for a game which has been the biggest and the best ads for blizzard, if not in the entire history of gaming industry? Without sc, sc2's sale would be at maximum 1/10 of what blizzard already sold. The Blizzard should reconsider this step with gretech seriously. When they kill scbw, its not only a game, but hundreds of gamer are involved who are the real innocent victims. Its just a suggestion: How about when SPL teams have players for scbw AND sc2? e.g.; Day1 of SPL: Ro1, 3,5 and ace => scbw ; Ro2,4,6 => sc2 Day2 of SPL: Ro1, 3,5 and ace => sc2 ; Ro2,4,6 => scbw | ||
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suchanx7
Australia14 Posts
of course he didnt retire, rather he HAS BEEN retired by kespa. cuz he started playing sc2? ok they can dogfight for their turf, like we ever care, but dont touch on pro players seriously, wtf kespa??? and guess what, the rule says kespa bans NaDa from their tourney for 3 yrs. very mature | ||
mustaju
Estonia4504 Posts
On October 05 2010 21:27 suchanx7 wrote: fyi, NaDa is not a progamer as of today of course he didnt retire, rather he HAS BEEN retired by kespa. cuz he started playing sc2? ok they can dogfight for their turf, like we ever care, but dont touch on pro players seriously, wtf kespa??? and guess what, the rule says kespa bans NaDa from their tourney for 3 yrs. very mature Could you give a source? EDIT: To NaDa being banned, and him being retired by Kespa, not him switching to SC2. | ||
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suchanx7
Australia14 Posts
it's on the front page of kespa site and is korean | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
안녕하세요. (사)한국e스포츠협회입니다. 게임단 및 선수 개인 요청에 의한 프로게이머 자격변경 명단을 공지합니다. 감사합니다. # 은퇴 ▶ 관련규정 : 프로게이머 등록규정 _ 제18조 (프로게이머의 자격 취소) ① 프로게이머 또는 준프로게이머가 개인사정으로 자격을 취소하고자 할 때에는 협회에 자격 취소 신청서를 제출하여 자격을 취소할수 있다. ② 자격 취소 신청은 연중 상시로 신청가능하며, 협회는 자격 취소 신청을 통해 자격이 말소된 프로게이머를 홈페이지를 통해 공지한다. ③ 자격 취소를 한 프로게이머는 공인게임대회에 참가할 수 없으며 그 기간은 아래와 같다. 가. 정기적으로 개최되는 프로화 된 리그가 존재하는 종목 : 3년 나. 정기적으로 개최되는 프로화 된 리그가 존재하지 않는 종목 : 1년 ④ 자격 취소를 한 준프로게이머는 1년 동안 자격을 재취득 할 수 없다. ▶ 기준일자 : 2010년 10월 5일 ※ 은퇴 이름 생년월일 등록번호 종목 소속팀 처리 전 처리 후 이윤열 841120 p02-026 스타크래프트 위메이드 FOX 프로게이머 아마추어 Is this what your refering to? Google translate is a bit ambiguous for me =/ | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On October 05 2010 21:27 suchanx7 wrote: fyi, NaDa is not a progamer as of today of course he didnt retire, rather he HAS BEEN retired by kespa. cuz he started playing sc2? ok they can dogfight for their turf, like we ever care, but dont touch on pro players seriously, wtf kespa??? and guess what, the rule says kespa bans NaDa from their tourney for 3 yrs. very mature NaDa retired, he chose to move to SC2 and not renew his contract with WeMade. WeMade offered him another contract, he refused because he didn't want to stay a BW progamer and wanted to move to SC2. The retirement announcement on KeSPA's page is generic, they are not out to get NaDa. Check out the other player retirement announcements and you will see that they are all worded the same (ex 1, 2, 3) | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On October 05 2010 22:03 ShadeR wrote: Is this what your refering to? Google translate is a bit ambiguous for me =/ First para: change in status of progamer (pro to amateur/retired) by personal request. Second paragraph is a list Kespa provisions/articles that states you're ineligible for certain tournaments once the change in status takes effect. Remaining paragraphs are Nada's registration details. Kespa didn't ban him, the request was made by the progamer himself. It's a generic announcement for anyone who wants to retire. Progamers who have gone into army make the same requests. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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suchanx7
Australia14 Posts
NaDa announced he will participate sc2 tourney, not he would quit progamer if kespa didnt kick him out, why did they delete all of NaDa's game scores, records and data? you can find all other retired players' record in kespa site. what d ya think that means? someone is not using his brain... | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5757 Posts
On October 05 2010 23:08 suchanx7 wrote: haha so u actually expected kespa would post "we BANNED NaDa cuz he is siding with blizz"? :D thats cute NaDa announced he will participate sc2 tourney, not he would quit progamer if kespa didnt kick him out, why did they delete all of NaDa's game scores, records and data? you can find all other retired players' record in kespa site. what d ya think that means? someone is not using his brain... Dude, get a grip. To be a progamer, you have to be on a KeSPA sanctioned progaming team. NaDa did not renew his contract with WeMade because they do not have an SC2 line-up. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On October 05 2010 23:57 maybenexttime wrote: Dude, get a grip. To be a progamer, you have to be on a KeSPA sanctioned progaming team. NaDa did not renew his contract with WeMade because they do not have an SC2 line-up. He does have a point though, they completely erased NaDa's records from the site. (Unless it's under a different name than posted in the retirement page) Even Tester still has his record on there, and hes far from being part of a KeSPA sanctioned progaming team. | ||
Selith
United States238 Posts
Just because you "retired" (as long as honorably, unlike Ma Jae Yoon) doesn't mean your records and achievements would be deleted... Edit: In addition, KeSPA recently added a new rule that states, any KeSPA "sanctioned" progamers participating in a non-KeSPA sanctioned games will be banned from playing any KeSPA sanctions gamed for -3 years-. As a result, NaDa will be banned from playing on any KeSPA sanctioned games for next 3 years. | ||
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biskit
Australia355 Posts
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On October 06 2010 05:41 biskit wrote: Also people seem to forget that it was KeSPA who forced NaDa to pull out from his SC2 showmatch with TLO. There is no justification for that, why would an organisation have the power to control which games you're allowed to play. When they play big bucks to employ you, and what ur doing is practically advertising for the direct competitor, i guess that count as reason. Although i thought they should have at least let him finished the match. I dont know i think you are taking "being professional" too lightly. You cant really wear Pepsi T-shirt while advertising for Coca-cola u know? ( assuming you are employed by them ofc). Or does your company holds no right to what you can or cannot wear either? | ||
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biskit
Australia355 Posts
Let him do what he wants, after all they allowed him to fly there and play, no? And later decided to change their mind. | ||
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