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ALLEYCAT BLUES51632 Posts
On October 04 2010 21:20 ShadeR wrote:
"Although Gretech allowed everyone to broadcast Starcraft matches until August, OGN has come to an agreement for Starleague Season 2. On the other hand, MBC used the period and ended all leagues before September, avoiding legal issues." MBC didnt break any rules. The doucheness is soley on Greedtechs part.
Both of them are being stubborn...no need to point one side when the other side also is wrong.
MBC refused to negotiate with gretech just as much as gretech refused MBC.Gretech now only speaks to OGN and KeSPA(sort of)....
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On October 04 2010 21:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 21:20 ShadeR wrote:
"Although Gretech allowed everyone to broadcast Starcraft matches until August, OGN has come to an agreement for Starleague Season 2. On the other hand, MBC used the period and ended all leagues before September, avoiding legal issues." MBC didnt break any rules. The doucheness is soley on Greedtechs part. Both of them are being stubborn...no need to point one side when the other side also is wrong. MBC refused to negotiate with gretech just as much as gretech refused MBC.Gretech now only speaks to OGN and KeSPA(sort of)....
the MSL was finished before august. a smart and fair move ..
gretech should have seen this coming, seeing how they were all hostile and shit towards MBC and OGN .. in totality, gretech is the one who is being an ass here ..
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It's funny when people say omg the prize money is so big! SC2 is huge already! When now some of the money is directly coming from the BW scene to even support it, instead of real sponsors they actually got themselves.. over-charging for low quality streams/vods, taking money from OGN/MBC... does this sound like a self-sufficient successful scene to you?
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wtf? I thought Gretech said "you have until end of August to finish whatever you are doing, after that we ll be the one giving the rights".. So MBC wrapped up everything in August as they demanded.. Which part of that (adhering 100% to Gretech's demands) wrong, any1 can point out to me please?
Only thing i see is Gretech kicking up shit about MBC not grovelling and calling god.
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On October 04 2010 21:18 Telcontar wrote:
300,000,000 won is about $260,000 right? thats a lot of money...
To me and you, yeah, $260k is a lot of money. On a corporate scale, not so much.
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On October 04 2010 22:18 infinity2k9 wrote:
It's funny when people say omg the prize money is so big! SC2 is huge already! When now some of the money is directly coming from the BW scene to even support it, instead of real sponsors they actually got themselves.. over-charging for low quality streams/vods, taking money from OGN/MBC... does this sound like a self-sufficient successful scene to you?
look at STX, SKT, Samsung, KT, and CJ, MBC, for example ..
these are comparable to AA, Verizon, Sony, P&F, Fox(?), etc., ..
so no .. its not self sufficient. now, im gonna guess someone will say "Give SC2 time". sure ive got no problem with that. but there is something i cant get my head around. its about Gretech frowning progaming, when in fact, without progaming, esports wouldn't have been this big in korea ..
i just can't understand ..
maybe they are planning to destroy progaming thus destroying BW proscene. and when BW is dead(?), they will implement their own proscene, with them being the one managing the scene, like KeSPA (was) to BW.
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On October 04 2010 22:29 aimaimaim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 22:18 infinity2k9 wrote:
It's funny when people say omg the prize money is so big! SC2 is huge already! When now some of the money is directly coming from the BW scene to even support it, instead of real sponsors they actually got themselves.. over-charging for low quality streams/vods, taking money from OGN/MBC... does this sound like a self-sufficient successful scene to you? look at STX, SKT, Samsung, KT, and CJ, MBC, for example .. these are comparable to AA, Verizon, Sony, P&F, Fox(?), etc., .. so no .. its not self sufficient. now, im gonna guess someone will say "Give SC2 time". sure ive got no problem with that. but there is something i cant get my head around. its about Gretech frowning progaming, when in fact, without progaming, esports wouldn't have been this big in korea .. i just can't understand .. maybe they are planning to destroy progaming thus destroying BW proscene. and when BW is dead(?), they will implement their own proscene, with them being the one managing the scene, like KeSPA (was) to BW.
I can't imagine that working out at all. Gretech is investing pennies compared to the KeSPA corporations. If the Korean SC2 scene were to have any significant sponsors (e.g. some of the chaebols), they'd eventually want to usurp the power from Gretech regardless. How would Gretech imagine they persuade those sponsors to fork millions of dollars and get zero control in return? O_o
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Seems more and more that they are really trying to kill brood war or at least putting as many obstacles in the way as possible. I don't like you Gretech/Blizzard for doing this. You better deliver D3 soon and in anticipated quality or i am done with your greedy bs.
Kespa might have made some mistakes, but they are not the bad side in this. Also MBC has done exactly what they were told to and still being punished..ridiculous
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Well glad that OGN has come to a consensus with Gretech, but MBC ughhhhhhh. I don't think MBC did anything "wrong" by finishing their broadcasts during September, but I kind of wish they had followed OGN's path in taking the initiative. So if Gretech accepts KeSPAs offer, OGN itself won't just have to pay the fee, correct? Any news on if Gretech has plans to accept the offer?
edit: thanks for translation snm 
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Ahhh I really hope this gets resolved quickly....
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United States7481 Posts
Thanks for translating, hopefully both MBC and Gretech get over their hurt egos and work something out that's beneficial for everyone.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Is Gretech a ten year old child?
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On October 04 2010 21:18 Telcontar wrote:
300,000,000 won is about $260,000 right? thats a lot of money...
It may sound like a lot but relevant to the situation here it is really not much at all.
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MBC should've put on a better face. They were well within their rights to end the MSL early, but in doing so they metaphorically slapped Gretech in the face. I really don't care about either company; I just want Pro league and GSL. MBC let their pride get in the way and that just caused more issues in the negotiating...
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On October 04 2010 17:20 GTR wrote:
i guess i'll ask in here since all the translators on staff are away.
a) estro situation (start of october already)
b) savior's sentence for match fixing
c) any interviews post-chuseok for effort?
a) Dunno nothing yet. Seems like house could be still closed. Maybe Artosis/Tasteless could provide us with more "in site" info
b) Sentence will be this Oct 6th
c) As a big "Neo Messiah" fan, couldnt find any interviews for the last days. Personally I hope he could make like ex-Woongjin´s MVP, when this last one said to leave Stars for retirement, and then, few days later, gets into a Sc2 team and really to play this Oct qualification
Regards
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Greed is about the most meaningless insult in the Internet. People toss it so often and casually that it has lost all its meaning.
Sounds to me like Gretech is still bitter about Kespa shutting down GOM. And MBC enjoyed their copyright licensing fee-less free ride way too much that they couldn't adapt to the new situation. It's like a squatter who built a home on somebody else's land and now the absentee landlord's kids want to use the land.
Seems like your vanilla case of two companies leaving money on the table because they don't like each other. The profit maximizing move is for them to make a deal but they're letting emotions get in the way. They're both holding out for their respective best case scenario even though a deal would be better than having no deal at all.
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On October 04 2010 16:27 shannn wrote:
I can't understand why they don't want to negotiate with MBC. They complied with the rules Gretech set out (playing till end of August) yet Gretech still get angry about MBC even though complied with their rules.
And Kespa paying 300.000.000 won for PL/MSL/OSL for a year isn't quite what I expected but still shows me that they earn more than that a year (probably way more) but still willing to pay a huge fee seems to me that Gretech is very greedy.
On the other hand they have an agreement with OGN for a small fee so this makes me wonder what really does go in Gretech's mind. They are angry because MBC didn't want to negotiate with Gretech untill the deadline (end of August) instead of negotiating during the season or something?
Both parties not coming to an agreement will hurt E-Sports and I hope it won't get worse than it is now.
They offered to pay out just above the amount of prizes for a single GSL season.
Hardly a "big fee".
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for the title, it's 4/10
And thanks for it, appreciated
edit: meant that the title dates is wrong, as its the 4th in 10th not the 10th in the 4th
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On October 04 2010 22:18 infinity2k9 wrote:
It's funny when people say omg the prize money is so big! SC2 is huge already! When now some of the money is directly coming from the BW scene to even support it, instead of real sponsors they actually got themselves.. over-charging for low quality streams/vods, taking money from OGN/MBC... does this sound like a self-sufficient successful scene to you?
Name me a pro scene of any sport that is self sufficient.
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On October 05 2010 02:06 Thurokiir wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 16:27 shannn wrote:
I can't understand why they don't want to negotiate with MBC. They complied with the rules Gretech set out (playing till end of August) yet Gretech still get angry about MBC even though complied with their rules.
And Kespa paying 300.000.000 won for PL/MSL/OSL for a year isn't quite what I expected but still shows me that they earn more than that a year (probably way more) but still willing to pay a huge fee seems to me that Gretech is very greedy.
On the other hand they have an agreement with OGN for a small fee so this makes me wonder what really does go in Gretech's mind. They are angry because MBC didn't want to negotiate with Gretech untill the deadline (end of August) instead of negotiating during the season or something?
Both parties not coming to an agreement will hurt E-Sports and I hope it won't get worse than it is now. They offered to pay out just above the amount of prizes for a single GSL season. Hardly a "big fee".
Those finicky players bastards! Forcing them into keeping their prize pool high.
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