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ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
July 19 2009 17:07 GMT
#261
My friend requested that i put together a computer for him to buy, specifically for SC2. I guess i'll post the build here.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103472 AMD Phenom II X4 920 2.8ghz
$149.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145224 6GB DDR3 1600
$159.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433 1.5TB HDD
$129.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150394 XFX HD4870 1GB GDDR5
$149.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133080 Antec 900 Full ATX Case
$139.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138143 AMD790GX Motherboard (Phenom X4/Phenom X3/Athlon 64/Sempron)
$99.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817202009 CHIEFTEC 850W power supply
$136.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103055 Cooler Master V8 120mm CPU cooler.
$59.99

2x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811998121 Apevia 120mm blue LED case fan
$15.98

$1041.91

So what do you think TL? He has about 1200 USD, should i bump up the video card? While he won't use the computer SOLELY for sc2 he still wants it to last him until sc3 (lol)
U Gotta Skate.
Raydog
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States632 Posts
July 19 2009 17:28 GMT
#262
^^ well, your motherboard has 4x 240 pin for memory, and its dual channel. You chose a triple channel memory. So i'm guessing you'd have to choose memory thats also dual channel.
and about the video card, I am no expert! but I was told that anything higher than 1gb is overkill. But idk, that could be peeps lying to me haha. My rig has a 512mb vid card in it right now. But who knows, I may have to upgrade it if I want to play max video on sc2. I have that harddrive (its a 1TB not 1.5TB) and it hasn't gone wrong for me yet, very nice.

Also you left out an optical drive? How does he expect to install the CDs? haha
Shew
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
July 19 2009 17:32 GMT
#263
On July 20 2009 02:28 Raydog wrote:
^^ well, your motherboard has 4x 240 pin for memory, and its dual channel. You chose a triple channel memory. So i'm guessing you'd have to choose memory thats also dual channel.
and about the video card, I am no expert! but I was told that anything higher than 1gb is overkill. But idk, that could be peeps lying to me haha. My rig has a 512mb vid card in it right now. But who knows, I may have to upgrade it if I want to play max video on sc2. I have that harddrive (its a 1TB not 1.5TB) and it hasn't gone wrong for me yet, very nice.

Also you left out an optical drive? How does he expect to install the CDs? haha


Wut? I thought it was triple channel... I must need more sleep.

Also I'm partially cannibalizing his current computer for parts, so i don't need to buy some things.

And really a 4870 is a high mid-range card with the cards on the market nowadays. Really 1gb isn't too extreme as most of the $100+ cards have 1gb.
Also nostalgia+ Show Spoiler +

Hehe i remember when people said that 256mb of RAM was overkill
U Gotta Skate.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-19 18:28:16
July 19 2009 18:24 GMT
#264
There is the fact that some items just don't match up with links, but you gave the price properly...lol, that 1.5tb Barracuda is drawing really polarized reviews though, even when we look at just the last two weeks there are a good amount of 1s complaining about hd failure. I took a look at them when I started putting together ideas for my build and was fairly worried. The 1tb one seems to have fewer negative things about it though. Comparatively WD's stuff drew much fewer complaints about failures.

I remember when 256mb was overkill too! Good old days of childhood.
Foogs
Profile Joined April 2009
40 Posts
July 19 2009 18:41 GMT
#265
AMD Phenom II X3 720 Black Edition
EVGA 896-P3-1170-AR GeForce GTX 275 896MB 448-bit DDR3
4GB GSkill DDR2 800 RAM

Baller status.

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Texas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Germany2388 Posts
July 19 2009 18:56 GMT
#266
OS: Windows xp
Cpu: amd athlon xp 3000+
Mobo: dunno
Memory: 1gb ram
Graphics: geforce 7600 gt
Hard Drives: like 600gb or smthg.
PSU: 450w i guess
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-19 20:01:05
July 19 2009 19:03 GMT
#267
On July 20 2009 03:56 Texas wrote:
OS: Windows xp
Cpu: amd athlon xp 3000+
Mobo: dunno
Memory: 1gb ram
Graphics: geforce 7600 gt
Hard Drives: like 600gb or smthg.
PSU: 450w i guess


I wouldn't be surprised if you were able to run the game, at least playably.. I played with a 7600GT from around 2004 to about two years ago, and it always played games just fine (except crysis lol). 7600GT = amazing, especially if you overclock it a bit.
U Gotta Skate.
lueiGi2
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada24 Posts
July 19 2009 19:27 GMT
#268
I disagree.

You'll probably have to turn down the graphics and/or resolution. Especially for bigger games.
Self Help
Profile Joined July 2009
45 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-19 22:52:00
July 19 2009 19:48 GMT
#269
On July 20 2009 02:32 ghermination wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2009 02:28 Raydog wrote:
^^ well, your motherboard has 4x 240 pin for memory, and its dual channel. You chose a triple channel memory. So i'm guessing you'd have to choose memory thats also dual channel.
and about the video card, I am no expert! but I was told that anything higher than 1gb is overkill. But idk, that could be peeps lying to me haha. My rig has a 512mb vid card in it right now. But who knows, I may have to upgrade it if I want to play max video on sc2. I have that harddrive (its a 1TB not 1.5TB) and it hasn't gone wrong for me yet, very nice.

Also you left out an optical drive? How does he expect to install the CDs? haha


Wut? I thought it was triple channel... I must need more sleep.

Also I'm partially cannibalizing his current computer for parts, so i don't need to buy some things.

And really a 4870 is a high mid-range card with the cards on the market nowadays. Really 1gb isn't too extreme as most of the $100+ cards have 1gb.
Also nostalgia+ Show Spoiler +

Hehe i remember when people said that 256mb of RAM was overkill

1gig is not at all over kill. Although if you never use AA or AF it may be. AA and AF eat up alot of ram on the board what else does it? Resolution 512mb is plenty if you use a small monitor well small for me ie like 1440x900 or 1280x1024. But some of us have 1920x1200 big mofo's that high resolution need more gpu power and more ram to carry it.

On July 20 2009 02:07 ghermination wrote:
Show nested quote +

My friend requested that i put together a computer for him to buy, specifically for SC2. I guess i'll post the build here.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103472 AMD Phenom II X4 920 2.8ghz
$149.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145224 6GB DDR3 1600
$159.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433 1.5TB HDD
$129.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150394 XFX HD4870 1GB GDDR5
$149.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133080 Antec 900 Full ATX Case
$139.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138143 AMD790GX Motherboard (Phenom X4/Phenom X3/Athlon 64/Sempron)
$99.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817202009 CHIEFTEC 850W power supply
$136.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103055 Cooler Master V8 120mm CPU cooler.
$59.99

2x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811998121 Apevia 120mm blue LED case fan
$15.98

$1041.91

So what do you think TL? He has about 1200 USD, should i bump up the video card? While he won't use the computer SOLELY for sc2 he still wants it to last him until sc3 (lol)


That Ram is not compatiable with the AMD processors AMD processors are Dual Channel not tripple Channel

Let me help you out here With a budget of 1k I'll try to let you though my logic.

Each combination should be much more powerful then your build along with be about the same price

First let's start with the universal pieces parts that aren't the gpu and cpu dependent as much.
General Stuff
  • Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail- $54.95
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042
    This case has plenty of room don't need a full tower also a lot cheaper.

  • Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drives - OEM - $99.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284
    Seagate makes faster HDD's but it's a min difference, But Seagate at 1+ TB has a higher failure rate then WD drive I'm listing.

  • CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail - $109.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006
    750w is enough for Crossfire/sli 2x4890's or 2x275's along with 4870's and 260's if you want to downgrade the gpu i list

  • XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail - $44.98
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233029
    This one is not as good as the one you listed but cheaper as nearly just as good. Both are great for Quad-core CPU's

  • OCZ OCZTFRZTC Freeze Extreme Thermal Conductivity Compound - Retail - $5.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835202006
    Cheap and effective thermal paste

  • XFX HD-489A-ZDFC Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail - $194.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150359

Subtotal: $562.88
Tax: $46.44
Shipping: $11.68
Grand Total: $621.00

This is to California

Okay now let's get down to preference.

Intel or AMD. The reason i don't do Nvidia and ATI is because both mobo's i list are crossfire only and i don't like the nvidia chipset if this was a i7 build i would suggest nvidia, but because performance between the two 4870/260 and 4890/275 is min.

Intel Build
  • Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield 2.83GHz 12MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor - Retail - $219.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115041
    Power CPU quad core which modern rts games like and that is good for gaming in general

  • G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL4D-4GBPI-B - Retail - $51.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231209
    Buying DDR2 ram that is not raited at v1.8 means that the ram is OCed and just rated to make that oc mark. It's a rip off! Just buying Quality ram at normal DDR2 Speeds and normal DDR2 voltage and ocing it to reach that speed is just as effective if not more effective along with that is usually cheaper!

  • GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail - $134.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358
    A good solid Mobo with P45 chip set good oc and can crossfire.

Subtotal: $917.86
Tax: $75.72
Shipping: $15.60
Grand Total: $1,009.18

This is a ton better then what you listed. Made from reliable parts etc.

AMD Build
  • Combo!
    1. AMD HDZ955FBGIBOX: $215.00
    2. ASUS M4A79T Deluxe: $189.99
    Combo Discount: -$85.00
    Combo Price: $319.99

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.212581

  • G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL7D-4GBPI - Retail $66.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231200


Subtotal: $897.87
Tax: $74.07
Shipping: $15.85
Grand Total: $987.79

Just as good as intel's

Edit: CRAP! I forgot the 30 dollar DVD drive lol well so did you i think... anyways shouldn't change price more then 30 bucks
SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD Burner - OEM - $25.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151171
Any good old SATA DVD drive would do.

For the 1200USD mark i went for i7 in style.
  • Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM - $74.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319
    Change the HDD with this one saves money eh

  • XFX GX275XAHFF GeForce GTX 275 896MB 448-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail $209.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150387
    You can SLI with i7 mobo and usually Blizzard games tend run slightly better on nvidia systems yes a bias but i tell it like i see it.

  • COMBO!
    Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail
    ASUS P6T LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
    Combo Price: $479.98

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.213700
    Great mobo Great CPU discount for 40 dollars well fuck yes!

  • G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9T-6GBNQ - Retail - $94.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231223

    Subtotal: $1,101.85
    Tax: $90.90
    Shipping: $14.30
    Grand Total: $1,207.05
    <- with the DVD drive i forgot last time lol

Again this is to a Cali residence.

All build's i listed are all strong builds for your money although with a little variety in websites and looking more I bet i could chop off about 100 or so on that price. 200+ if you count mail in rebates
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
July 19 2009 20:01 GMT
#270
I already said that i had made a mistake with posting triple channel ram and a dual channel mobo ;_;
U Gotta Skate.
Pape
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Serbia419 Posts
July 19 2009 22:19 GMT
#271
On July 20 2009 02:07 ghermination wrote:
My friend requested that i put together a computer for him to buy, specifically for SC2. I guess i'll post the build here.
+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103472 AMD Phenom II X4 920 2.8ghz
$149.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145224 6GB DDR3 1600
$159.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433 1.5TB HDD
$129.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150394 XFX HD4870 1GB GDDR5
$149.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133080 Antec 900 Full ATX Case
$139.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138143 AMD790GX Motherboard (Phenom X4/Phenom X3/Athlon 64/Sempron)
$99.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817202009 CHIEFTEC 850W power supply
$136.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103055 Cooler Master V8 120mm CPU cooler.
$59.99

2x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811998121 Apevia 120mm blue LED case fan
$15.98

$1041.91

So what do you think TL? He has about 1200 USD, should i bump up the video card? While he won't use the computer SOLELY for sc2 he still wants it to last him until sc3 (lol
)


Brate... that is a terrible build. Especially for that much money, the cheapest component in there is the processor... I am not for AMD or for Intel, but you can build a much better and cheaper AMD build for $1000. For example with a Phenom II x4 940 right now you can have a free $100 motherboard with a combo deal, not the best but it will overclock better than that 920 ever will.

Unecessary fan, unecassarly aftermarket expensive CPU cooler, especially if he won't overclock, the stock fan and heatsink is very good with the 940. Way too much hard drive as well. Better to get 2 smaller faster drives so he has a backup.

But in all, with $1200 I would go with a nice i7 build. Why? Because he has a large purse and he will have a next generation PC for less. Infact for your price you can get a much much better i7 system. Maybe ask our compatriot vradovic for a good i7 buld, he has one and I'm sure he will point you in a good build.
good luck have fun!
Adeeler
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom764 Posts
July 19 2009 23:32 GMT
#272
I'm planning on buying a new mobo,cpu,ram,g-card when an SC2 public beta is out or the game comes out so I can see some fps reviews to show what is best to run what.

I was thinking for cheapness getting an AMD CPU & ATI G-Card but depending on the difference in performances i'll wait until then to make the decision.

Ofc the main thing i'm looking for is to run the game in widescreen 16:10 @ 1900x1200 @ 60fps minimum under stress. If thats even possible if its no where close then i'll just go the AMD & ATI cheapness route and make do.
Saddened Izzy
Profile Joined July 2009
United States198 Posts
July 20 2009 00:45 GMT
#273
Lol pusher?
AMD vs Intel Price for performance

Dual core - Intel wins easly when you want to OC
Tri core - AMD wins only one around haha!
Quad Core- Strictly speaking for only gaming, under 200 AMD wins above 200 Intel provides a slightly better cpu for the price.

Not a great way to put it but it's how you compair similar products?

Just by price just for gaming**
Under $100+ Intel (why? because intel C2D oc's like a bitch ass)
100-150 Tie. E7400/7500 vs AMD Phenom II 720 is about the same in gaming esp with you oc both but i perfer the 720 imo
150-200 Intel Simple E8400/8500 esp with oc rapes shit in games
200-300 Intel You hit the i7 which oc's well like the AMD phenom II ones but usually out performs the best phenom II around and cost only about 20 dollars more
300+ Intel only one really in that part unless you talk about server cpu's...

Usually Intel gives better price for performance esp if you oc.

ATI vs Nvidia.
It's about shit even 4870 is about = to 260, 4890 is about = to a 275 and the cost just about the same like 10 dollars from one to another. Only diff is that games are bias yes! Games are not fair some games run better on nvidia cards then ATI cards that shit just happens.

ATI cards tend to use black more lightly giving more of a consistent look while Nvidia cards tend to give a more Dynamic look by using higher blacks in their rendering.

Only time ATI wins over Nvidia is AA and AF above 4 tends to just rape shit Nvidia's cards or drivers? fps just so happens.

ATI fan boy's need to stop sowing shit out of their mouths, and be fair yes both sides have their moments. Currently at least.
I don't use AIM/MSN/ etc stop asking...
Pape
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Serbia419 Posts
July 20 2009 01:39 GMT
#274
All great, but do you really think most TL users are worried about overclocking? The way I look at it and probably most users is,

3.0ghz Quad Core from AMD = $175
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115130
3.0ghz Quad Core from Intel = $320
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471

so that = 145 spare bucks to invest in a video card

both will perform equally to the human eye
both will last over 10 years
both are great processors

i have a intel processor right now, so I am not some fan of either brand just a normal user
good luck have fun!
Self Help
Profile Joined July 2009
45 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-20 02:33:37
July 20 2009 02:25 GMT
#275
*God turned into a rage forsaken rant read at own digression probably poorly constructed but overall tiring to prove a point which i will summarize here*
The 2 processes you listed is a great way not to prove your point. The Q9650 is about = (In tech specs) to the Q9550 which is 100 Dollars less and still outperforms the 940 on avg by a significant amount

along with that the Intel cpu that = that pricing the AMD one, the Q8400 performs on bar with the 940 in most tasks. Proving that more money on a build doesn't = performance. One should look at benchmarks not just on specs to say one cpu is = to another.

Along with that I pointed out for less the E8500 would out preform the 940 in most games and be cheaper you could also over clock that E8500 and still pay less on electricity then if you used the 940 and get even a larger lead in performance.

In shorter short look at benchmarks for price performance index not on what you think performance is esp not follow the advice of some teenager on a forum without checking it with sources that people trust like big magazine company's or forum moderators and members that will list the rig and settings all of them they used to preform their benchmark as a rule of a skeptic is to not trust anyone without checking.


Lol god dam that's funny you really think the 3ghz AMD is nearly at all = to power of the 3ghz of the intel one you are listing...

That's just shit face funny! Really you stop rating Ghz after 2.4 because really it's just bull cock up your face after that point. Guess What Ghz speed doesn't really = 1:1 raito in power that 3Ghz raiting just saying each core in that cpu runs at that speed. Does that = performance well does a 3.0ghz Intel Core 2 Duo = a 3.0 Ghz Intel Core Celeron? Fuck no! Really your comment is stupid just plain absurd way to judge a cpu, want a cpu look at benchmarks...

You also just so happen to choose the one that cost a fuck sakes more for no real reason other then there is little demand for a product that performs just about the same and shares nearly exact specs as this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115041

And guess what look it up in gaming those processors both the intel ones are rightfully better performers all around by a decent amount.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?b=2
I could list 5 more sites if you want! And guess what Anandtech is constantly accused of being ATI bias and slightly AMD bias by the way they do their articles. Even look at the comparable Q8400 quad core which cost exactly the same as your 940 in gaming it's comparable to the 940. Guess what most times

Throwing cash at a computer build does not maker is linearly better it makes it in a degrading output in other words the higher you go up in throwing your cash at a computer build the less and less you tend to get out of it. The sweet spot? Is around 150+ - 100 or so dollars for cpu's gpu's mobo's etc

940 for that price you want a gaming computer get a E8400/8500 they fucking beat the 940 by a large margin as most games are best for 2 core cpu's And guess what it saves you money on your electric bill!

There are best price for performance for program x thread scatter the shit all over different computer forums. I suggest you go read them...

A Q9650 is no fucking = to a 940 not by a long shot only in games it is barely = Q9650 is an over all better cpu guess what most people use powerful cpu's for it's not for gaming. Most value to super posed onto cpu's in Application 75% and Gaming 25% as guess what most people don't need to "game" And if you wanted to game why would you get a Q9650 when a Q9550 for 100$ less performs just about the fucking same down to the exact frame rate as a Q9650 because they share specs and both use a Large Cache which is beneficial to gaming cpu's which don't have memory controllers installed into them.

Want to know why you don't count overclocking in a result in performance because it cost you fucking money, a ton of money when you overclock a cpu significantly and increase the voltage doing so. Want to know a secret every freaking computer in my house hold is under volted just to be stable because the watt difference under load (guess what most games put the cpu under) is huge... It's great when you pass the cost onto your parents but sucks when you have to pay the bills. So what do I do? If i need the performance i already know what my cpu can reach i punch that into bios a few tedious processes later i have my desired performance and i leave my computer like that for the duration i need it to be. Want to think you won? Guess what AMD uses more electricity by a shit load to begin with. Which little pre pubescent boys don't tell themselves at night after reading the watt per hour article at website x.

Next thing you'll say is the 955 is = to a I7 920 which out side of gaming is not at all near a 920 nothing in the fucking AMD line up can do non gaming performance quite like the i7 line up can. And guess what the Cheaper and very very very similar performance, so much so that intel pulled the i7 as they figured no moron would pay more money for a similar preforming product and it would be bad business for them to shoot themselves in the foot making something no one will buy, i5 line up will be out soon too.

Also I have an intel processor does not make you non bias you could have the shittiest intel cpu ever made in the history of intel and you got ripped off for the 12 dollar cpu. Do you have AMD cpu's do you own more then one intel and AMD cpu's in varying dates of production and targeted audience. Are you a fucking reviewer? What the fuck gives you the right to say I own 1 intel cpu thus everything i say is fucking true! I own 2 desktop AMD cpu's i use a 6400+ and a 940, along with that i current have a E8400 and a i7 920 each bought at different times for different reasons. Does that make me an expert? Fuck by that logic you used I 4 times the expert you are not counting the 2 laptop cpu's *although one is by via lol* Fuck no i would not say i reviewed the cpu's and can now bring advice to the masses instead my decisions come from the fucking articles made by company's who write articles about computer all fucking day.

In short you pissed me off because your statement to me is absurd and thus angers me because I'm an elitist and hate blatant ignorance accompanied by bravado. Also don't knock the non grammar/spell checked rant on such things cuz it just makes you look like an asshole that can't make a decent comeback so undermines people by commenting on superficial things instead of core parts of a given argument.

Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
July 20 2009 02:56 GMT
#276
Also don't knock the non grammar/spell checked rant on such things cuz it just makes you look like an asshole that can't make a decent comeback so undermines people by commenting on superficial things instead of core parts of a given argument.


Unfortunately I shall have to knock at that, because interesting as your rebuttal seems, I can't read it. I don't think most of the people here can read it either. It'd help your point a lot if people can actually understand it. I don't agree or disagree with you, I simply want to see your argument, so if you please, make it something that can be read.
Pape
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Serbia419 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-20 04:44:14
July 20 2009 04:31 GMT
#277
On July 20 2009 11:25 Self Help wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

*God turned into a rage forsaken rant read at own digression probably poorly constructed but overall tiring to prove a point which i will summarize here*
The 2 processes you listed is a great way not to prove your point. The Q9650 is about = (In tech specs) to the Q9550 which is 100 Dollars less and still outperforms the 940 on avg by a significant amount

along with that the Intel cpu that = that pricing the AMD one, the Q8400 performs on bar with the 940 in most tasks. Proving that more money on a build doesn't = performance. One should look at benchmarks not just on specs to say one cpu is = to another.

Along with that I pointed out for less the E8500 would out preform the 940 in most games and be cheaper you could also over clock that E8500 and still pay less on electricity then if you used the 940 and get even a larger lead in performance.

In shorter short look at benchmarks for price performance index not on what you think performance is esp not follow the advice of some teenager on a forum without checking it with sources that people trust like big magazine company's or forum moderators and members that will list the rig and settings all of them they used to preform their benchmark as a rule of a skeptic is to not trust anyone without checking.


Lol god dam that's funny you really think the 3ghz AMD is nearly at all = to power of the 3ghz of the intel one you are listing...

That's just shit face funny! Really you stop rating Ghz after 2.4 because really it's just bull cock up your face after that point. Guess What Ghz speed doesn't really = 1:1 raito in power that 3Ghz raiting just saying each core in that cpu runs at that speed. Does that = performance well does a 3.0ghz Intel Core 2 Duo = a 3.0 Ghz Intel Core Celeron? Fuck no! Really your comment is stupid just plain absurd way to judge a cpu, want a cpu look at benchmarks...

You also just so happen to choose the one that cost a fuck sakes more for no real reason other then there is little demand for a product that performs just about the same and shares nearly exact specs as this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115041

And guess what look it up in gaming those processors both the intel ones are rightfully better performers all around by a decent amount.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/default.aspx?b=2
I could list 5 more sites if you want! And guess what Anandtech is constantly accused of being ATI bias and slightly AMD bias by the way they do their articles. Even look at the comparable Q8400 quad core which cost exactly the same as your 940 in gaming it's comparable to the 940. Guess what most times

Throwing cash at a computer build does not maker is linearly better it makes it in a degrading output in other words the higher you go up in throwing your cash at a computer build the less and less you tend to get out of it. The sweet spot? Is around 150+ - 100 or so dollars for cpu's gpu's mobo's etc

940 for that price you want a gaming computer get a E8400/8500 they fucking beat the 940 by a large margin as most games are best for 2 core cpu's And guess what it saves you money on your electric bill!

There are best price for performance for program x thread scatter the shit all over different computer forums. I suggest you go read them...

A Q9650 is no fucking = to a 940 not by a long shot only in games it is barely = Q9650 is an over all better cpu guess what most people use powerful cpu's for it's not for gaming. Most value to super posed onto cpu's in Application 75% and Gaming 25% as guess what most people don't need to "game" And if you wanted to game why would you get a Q9650 when a Q9550 for 100$ less performs just about the fucking same down to the exact frame rate as a Q9650 because they share specs and both use a Large Cache which is beneficial to gaming cpu's which don't have memory controllers installed into them.

Want to know why you don't count overclocking in a result in performance because it cost you fucking money, a ton of money when you overclock a cpu significantly and increase the voltage doing so. Want to know a secret every freaking computer in my house hold is under volted just to be stable because the watt difference under load (guess what most games put the cpu under) is huge... It's great when you pass the cost onto your parents but sucks when you have to pay the bills. So what do I do? If i need the performance i already know what my cpu can reach i punch that into bios a few tedious processes later i have my desired performance and i leave my computer like that for the duration i need it to be. Want to think you won? Guess what AMD uses more electricity by a shit load to begin with. Which little pre pubescent boys don't tell themselves at night after reading the watt per hour article at website x.

Next thing you'll say is the 955 is = to a I7 920 which out side of gaming is not at all near a 920 nothing in the fucking AMD line up can do non gaming performance quite like the i7 line up can. And guess what the Cheaper and very very very similar performance, so much so that intel pulled the i7 as they figured no moron would pay more money for a similar preforming product and it would be bad business for them to shoot themselves in the foot making something no one will buy, i5 line up will be out soon too.

Also I have an intel processor does not make you non bias you could have the shittiest intel cpu ever made in the history of intel and you got ripped off for the 12 dollar cpu. Do you have AMD cpu's do you own more then one intel and AMD cpu's in varying dates of production and targeted audience. Are you a fucking reviewer? What the fuck gives you the right to say I own 1 intel cpu thus everything i say is fucking true! I own 2 desktop AMD cpu's i use a 6400+ and a 940, along with that i current have a E8400 and a i7 920 each bought at different times for different reasons. Does that make me an expert? Fuck by that logic you used I 4 times the expert you are not counting the 2 laptop cpu's *although one is by via lol* Fuck no i would not say i reviewed the cpu's and can now bring advice to the masses instead my decisions come from the fucking articles made by company's who write articles about computer all fucking day.

In short you pissed me off because your statement to me is absurd and thus angers me because I'm an elitist and hate blatant ignorance accompanied by bravado. Also don't knock the non grammar/spell checked rant on such things cuz it just makes you look like an asshole that can't make a decent comeback so undermines people by commenting on superficial things instead of core parts of a given argument.




DISCLAIMER: You are probably wasting your time reading the following post by me.

I see the point of your argument but I'm not gonna read past paragraph 1.

The question in this thread is "Will it be able to run starcraft 2?"
The way I interpret that is, whats the bare minimum hardware required to run starcraft 2? and with the responses in the thread I can also conclude, with my current system if I upgrade whats the LEAST money I have to spend to get the best performance for my buck?
Again it is not, "What system will give me the highest benchmark score?" some score that only means something on paper but doesn't mean anything to the human eye when playing a game.

I'm not pulling for either side, I even recommend the guy with the $1200 get a i7 over a amd 920, and all of my computers I have owned have been run on intel processors so far. But RIGHT NOW the bang for the buck is with AMD Phenom II processors dual or quad.

In short you pissed me off because your statement to me is absurd and thus angers me because I'm an elitist and hate blatant ignorance accompanied by bravado. Also don't knock the non grammar/spell checked rant on such things cuz it just makes you look like an asshole that can't make a decent comeback so undermines people by commenting on superficial things instead of core parts of a given argument.


edit-- after the last post I saw this and I can't even believe I wasted my time responding to you

and yes you do have superior vocabulary, nerdy, and probably all online skills on me

I CAN NOT MAKE A COMEBACK TO YOU!

+ Show Spoiler +
btw thanks for calling me an asshole I am neither mad nor offended
good luck have fun!
HDstarcraft
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States577 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-20 05:20:19
July 20 2009 05:19 GMT
#278
Let's stay civil guys, there's no need to get feisty over computer hardware. =D
YouTube.com/HDstarcraft
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
July 20 2009 16:09 GMT
#279
On July 20 2009 14:19 HDstarcraft wrote:
Let's stay civil guys, there's no need to get feisty over computer hardware. =D


Back to the days of PIII vs. Spitfire :D
U Gotta Skate.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
July 20 2009 16:18 GMT
#280
On July 21 2009 01:09 ghermination wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2009 14:19 HDstarcraft wrote:
Let's stay civil guys, there's no need to get feisty over computer hardware. =D


Back to the days of PIII vs. Spitfire :D


never heard of spitfire xD
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
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