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First of all, I'll say I am a very devout Christian, in that I not only believe in God, but have an active relationship with Him.
However, I guess I go against the stereotype of Christians in that I don't think issues like this should be an issue for the Christian Church. Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that Christians should try to control the ideology and actions of people around them. It quite clearly states, to the contrary, that God's kingdom is not of this world, and our goal should be to further this kingdom, not try to set up an earthly kingdom. It's very sad to me how many people who at least call themselves Christians are so far from the sort of love and gentleness that Christ exhibited.
I may disagree with many things in today's society (which I think most can admit has major problems) but controlling the lives of others through social activism is most definitely NOT what Christianity is about. Or at least not something that people with an active relationship with God would do, because that's not what He is about.
If you are a sold-out follower of Christ, then stuff like this is a temporary issue in a temporary world, and there are things with eternal significance that are what we should be about.
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Oh, and I realize there is a lot of antipathy towards Christians on this board. I'm going ahead and putting myself out there. I hope there's a least some people who are willing to listen, even if I'm clearly a minority.
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On May 31 2009 03:14 jkillashark wrote:
Why do gay people need to use a Biblical term (marriage) for a union for something so un-Biblical (Bible says homosexuality is an abomination)?
Personally, I don't feel the need to bash gay people. I do have a few friends who are gay and I do respect them. Yes, they are people too. Yet I do not understand why they need to use marriage as the official term between their partner? I feel that it's like WASP people going to a Islamic mosque and having a Muslim wedding? How would those in the mosque feel? Yeah, it would be okay for them if they lead a Muslim lifestyle afterward, but if they know they're just abusing the culture and religion obviously the Muslims are gonna have a problem with that?
I feel that it's the same way for me. I as a Christian, maybe a very selfish Christian, feel that marriage was and still is a Christian way of expressing a union between a man and a woman. I'm totally fine if gay people would like to register their partnership or union, but stay away from my freaking religion and come up with your own damn term for a union.
Because marriage is the existing legal term for union and because its a legal term it should be secular. These gays wouldn't have to be married in a church they could be married in a court, but there should not be a separate legal term for homosexuals.
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On May 31 2009 05:11 LaughingTulkas wrote:
Oh, and I realize there is a lot of antipathy towards Christians on this board. I'm going ahead and putting myself out there. I hope there's a least some people who are willing to listen, even if I'm clearly a minority.
I dont have a problem with Christians following what christianity is about (hint: loving thy neighbor). But oppressing gays is most definatly not what Jesus had in mind.
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On May 31 2009 05:07 LaughingTulkas wrote:
First of all, I'll say I am a very devout Christian, in that I not only believe in God, but have an active relationship with Him.
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On May 31 2009 05:07 LaughingTulkas wrote:
First of all, I'll say I am a very devout Christian, in that I not only believe in God, but have an active relationship with Him.
However, I guess I go against the stereotype of Christians in that I don't think issues like this should be an issue for the Christian Church. Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that Christians should try to control the ideology and actions of people around them. It quite clearly states, to the contrary, that God's kingdom is not of this world, and our goal should be to further this kingdom, not try to set up an earthly kingdom. It's very sad to me how many people who at least call themselves Christians are so far from the sort of love and gentleness that Christ exhibited.
I may disagree with many things in today's society (which I think most can admit has major problems) but controlling the lives of others through social activism is most definitely NOT what Christianity is about. Or at least not something that people with an active relationship with God would do, because that's not what He is about.
If you are a sold-out follower of Christ, then stuff like this is a temporary issue in a temporary world, and there are things with eternal significance that are what we should be about.
Good post.
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On May 31 2009 05:07 LaughingTulkas wrote:
First of all, I'll say I am a very devout Christian, in that I not only believe in God, but have an active relationship with Him.
You are either lying or mentally ill.
Sure, one can argue that hypothetically a god can exist. But having an active relationship with the divine creator of everything has been scientifically established as being impossible.
And everyone will instantly realize this when they read this comment. So I suggest you be aware of that next time.
Also, you are wrong on the christian theology. There is really little ambiguity. Either you ignore the bible or you have to hold negative views on homosexuals.
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Hey, I'm an atheist but both you (dio) and I know that questioning religious views will hit a wall of apathy. Let's go from a rational perspective, he claims to have special evidence not available to us. Good for him, let's treat it as silly as believing that the world is flat. And IntoTheWow, that's not a good post.
Let's replace the term Christianity with competitive bgh gameplay, and kingdom with Battle.net.
Seems silly to us, doesn't it? The original seems just as silly to some atheists!
First of all, I'll say I am a very devout bgher, in that I not only believe in high money, but have an active bnet account.
However, I guess I go against the stereotype of bghers in that I don't think issues like this should be an issue for pro korean starcraft. Nowhere in the sc manual is it stated that bghers should try to control the ideology and actions of people around them on TL. It quite clearly states, to the contrary, that bnet is not of this world, and our goal should be to further our bnet record, not try to set up an earthly kingdom. It's very sad to me how many people who at least call themselves bghers are so far from the sort of love and gentleness that Chris Metzen exhibited.
I may disagree with many things in today's pro korean scene(which I think most can admit has major problems) but controlling the lives of others through social activism is most definitely NOT what bghing is about. Or at least not something that people with an active bnet account would do, because that's not what Chris Metzen is about.
If you are a sold-out BGHer, then stuff like this is a temporary issue in a temporary world, and there are things with eternal significance that are what we should be about.
And by this I mean that being a 'moderate christian' is almost as bad as being a LDSer. You still use the same name, you form comradely with the radicals, in fact you serve as a power base for their nonsense like creationism or anti gay marriage proposals.
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On May 31 2009 05:59 Culture wrote:Hey, I'm an atheist but both you (dio) and I know that questioning religious views will hit a wall of apathy. Let's go from a rational perspective, he claims to have special evidence not available to us. Good for him, let's treat it as silly as believing that the world is flat. And IntoTheWow, that's not a good post. Let's replace the term Christianity with competitive bgh gameplay, and kingdom with Battle.net. Seems silly to us, doesn't it? The original seems just as silly to some atheists! Show nested quote +First of all, I'll say I am a very devout bgher, in that I not only believe in high money, but have an active bnet account.
However, I guess I go against the stereotype of bghers in that I don't think issues like this should be an issue for pro korean starcraft. Nowhere in the sc manual is it stated that bghers should try to control the ideology and actions of people around them on TL. It quite clearly states, to the contrary, that bnet is not of this world, and our goal should be to further our bnet record, not try to set up an earthly kingdom. It's very sad to me how many people who at least call themselves bghers are so far from the sort of love and gentleness that Chris Metzen exhibited.
I may disagree with many things in today's pro korean scene(which I think most can admit has major problems) but controlling the lives of others through social activism is most definitely NOT what bghing is about. Or at least not something that people with an active bnet account would do, because that's not what Chris Metzen is about.
If you are a sold-out BGHer, then stuff like this is a temporary issue in a temporary world, and there are things with eternal significance that are what we should be about. And by this I mean that being a 'moderate christian' is almost as bad as being a LDSer. You still use the same name, you form comradely with the radicals, in fact you serve as a power base for their nonsense like creationism or anti gay marriage proposals.
So he should go against his own beliefs just cause the people around him do evil with that?
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On May 31 2009 03:14 jkillashark wrote:
Why do gay people need to use a Biblical term (marriage) for a union for something so un-Biblical (Bible says homosexuality is an abomination)?
Personally, I don't feel the need to bash gay people. I do have a few friends who are gay and I do respect them. Yes, they are people too. Yet I do not understand why they need to use marriage as the official term between their partner? I feel that it's like WASP people going to a Islamic mosque and having a Muslim wedding? How would those in the mosque feel? Yeah, it would be okay for them if they lead a Muslim lifestyle afterward, but if they know they're just abusing the culture and religion obviously the Muslims are gonna have a problem with that?
I feel that it's the same way for me. I as a Christian, maybe a very selfish Christian, feel that marriage was and still is a Christian way of expressing a union between a man and a woman. I'm totally fine if gay people would like to register their partnership or union, but stay away from my freaking religion and come up with your own damn term for a union.
Marriage predates Christianity. People that are un-Christian, un-Biblical and un-religious are already using the term marriage.
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On May 31 2009 06:06 IntoTheWow wrote:
So he should go against his own beliefs just cause the people around him do evil with that?
Hopefully he will, over a long period of education and enlightenment, realize that his beliefs are incorrect.
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The Bible states a set of rules that decide if you can go to heaven or not and God is the judge. Jesus emphatically says that you are not the judge, God is the judge. When the Bible says you will go to hell if you engage in homosexuality it is not saying you should stop others from engaging in homosexuality or remove their rights.
PS: The Supreme Court of the United States of America has stated that marriage is a right.
http://supreme.justia.com/us/316/535/case.html
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On May 31 2009 05:07 LaughingTulkas wrote:
First of all, I'll say I am a very devout Christian, in that I not only believe in God, but have an active relationship with Him.
However, I guess I go against the stereotype of Christians in that I don't think issues like this should be an issue for the Christian Church. Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that Christians should try to control the ideology and actions of people around them. It quite clearly states, to the contrary, that God's kingdom is not of this world, and our goal should be to further this kingdom, not try to set up an earthly kingdom. It's very sad to me how many people who at least call themselves Christians are so far from the sort of love and gentleness that Christ exhibited.
I may disagree with many things in today's society (which I think most can admit has major problems) but controlling the lives of others through social activism is most definitely NOT what Christianity is about. Or at least not something that people with an active relationship with God would do, because that's not what He is about.
If you are a sold-out follower of Christ, then stuff like this is a temporary issue in a temporary world, and there are things with eternal significance that are what we should be about.
Good post indeed.
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His moral compass is working properly, or he is able to not have it being overpowered by religious dogma,. but him telling us that he is on talking terms with the creator of the universe is just ann absurd statement. Not to mention extremely arrogant. It's almost like saying that this world was created just for me, as some kind of a test, and I am the only real person in it. I don't know what is point was in informing us of this. And I also don't care if it is reasonable or not.
If he isn't lying then he must have hallucinations, hear voices, and that means he is in need of professional help.
And besides that, his theology is quite heterodox. It is not supported by scripture. So his view on this issue must be personal revelations? He is some kind of 21th century prophet?
I am sure he is likable and whatnot and he has the same conclusions I have. But this can just not be allowed to fly.
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the whole idea that you can take a vote on something like whether or not gays should be married is absurd. did everybody forget about the tyranny of the majority? if we took a vote for whether or not jews should be everyones slaves, and it passed would that be right?? just because there aren't enough jews (and miscellaneous decent people) to vote NO doesn't mean its right. and also, the arguments against gay marriage people use today are the same ones they used in the 60's to try and ban inter-racial marriage.
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On May 31 2009 05:07 LaughingTulkas wrote:
First of all, I'll say I am a very devout Christian, in that I not only believe in God, but have an active relationship with Him.
However, I guess I go against the stereotype of Christians in that I don't think issues like this should be an issue for the Christian Church. Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that Christians should try to control the ideology and actions of people around them. It quite clearly states, to the contrary, that God's kingdom is not of this world, and our goal should be to further this kingdom, not try to set up an earthly kingdom. It's very sad to me how many people who at least call themselves Christians are so far from the sort of love and gentleness that Christ exhibited.
I may disagree with many things in today's society (which I think most can admit has major problems) but controlling the lives of others through social activism is most definitely NOT what Christianity is about. Or at least not something that people with an active relationship with God would do, because that's not what He is about.
If you are a sold-out follower of Christ, then stuff like this is a temporary issue in a temporary world, and there are things with eternal significance that are what we should be about.
Dude this post was awesome. I'm on the same page.
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the only solution i see, is jezus resurrecting and telling them in the face they should stfu
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On May 31 2009 05:07 LaughingTulkas wrote:
First of all, I'll say I am a very devout Christian, in that I not only believe in God, but have an active relationship with Him.
However, I guess I go against the stereotype of Christians in that I don't think issues like this should be an issue for the Christian Church. Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that Christians should try to control the ideology and actions of people around them. It quite clearly states, to the contrary, that God's kingdom is not of this world, and our goal should be to further this kingdom, not try to set up an earthly kingdom. It's very sad to me how many people who at least call themselves Christians are so far from the sort of love and gentleness that Christ exhibited.
I may disagree with many things in today's society (which I think most can admit has major problems) but controlling the lives of others through social activism is most definitely NOT what Christianity is about. Or at least not something that people with an active relationship with God would do, because that's not what He is about.
If you are a sold-out follower of Christ, then stuff like this is a temporary issue in a temporary world, and there are things with eternal significance that are what we should be about.
Hey great post man. But just to explain the other Christian viewpoint on homosexuality -- well, there's that part in the bible that strongly implies that it should not be tolerated.
im not a bible expert, i just hear people bringing up the part of the Old Testament about killing gays =/
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Please continue to be respectful. That is all.
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On May 31 2009 06:12 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2009 03:14 jkillashark wrote:
Why do gay people need to use a Biblical term (marriage) for a union for something so un-Biblical (Bible says homosexuality is an abomination)?
Personally, I don't feel the need to bash gay people. I do have a few friends who are gay and I do respect them. Yes, they are people too. Yet I do not understand why they need to use marriage as the official term between their partner? I feel that it's like WASP people going to a Islamic mosque and having a Muslim wedding? How would those in the mosque feel? Yeah, it would be okay for them if they lead a Muslim lifestyle afterward, but if they know they're just abusing the culture and religion obviously the Muslims are gonna have a problem with that?
I feel that it's the same way for me. I as a Christian, maybe a very selfish Christian, feel that marriage was and still is a Christian way of expressing a union between a man and a woman. I'm totally fine if gay people would like to register their partnership or union, but stay away from my freaking religion and come up with your own damn term for a union. Marriage predates Christianity. People that are un-Christian, un-Biblical and un-religious are already using the term marriage.
Agreed. In fact, many so-called "Christian" terms/traditions predate the bible.
Those meddling Pagans!
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