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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
On May 07 2009 16:12 TheMusiC wrote: hahahaha alston's slap was fucking hilarious "BITCH quit scoring!" agree/disagree? or he can speak his mind and get fined. Lose-lose situation. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
On May 07 2009 14:24 Roffles wrote: Xeris, you're such a fucking homer it's not even funny. Don't even try to justify how the refs ALWAYS rig games for the Lakers. Lakers/Kings, Lakers/Blazers. It's happened and it will happen again. Yao's 4 fouls early game? Some of them were pretty fucking bullshit. Literally 2 of his 5 fouls were actually fouls. Stop being a homer. I was out and the game just happen to show on TV. I recall LA folks saying the same thing about the Laker/Kings game too. The ref calls are BS since they can pick and choose who and when to call fouls on. This is why I can't take the NBA seriously anymore. I'm not even a fan of the Lakers or Rockets. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 07 2009 16:06 XaI)CyRiC wrote: I know Van Gundy's supposed to be a brilliant coach Excuse me? What on earth would lead you to believe that? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
i think it's great though how events like that occurred in the game. it makes for a much more interesting series  | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14896 Posts
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Pacifist
Israel1683 Posts
On May 07 2009 22:41 oneofthem wrote: van gundy is hilarious, leave him alone I think you're talking about the other Van Gundy  | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Pacifist
Israel1683 Posts
LOS ANGELES -- Flip the old NBA adage: This Lakers-Rockets series has really started now that the home team won a game. Game 2 had a full menu of items, including a Kobe Bryant 40-point scoring outburst, a Ron Artest Ron-Ron outburst, disappearing 7-footers, and enough flagrant and technical fouls and ejections to submit a double-DVD for Stu Jackson to review. (And that doesn't even include the Houston player sent to the locker room by his own coach or the official cursed out by Jack Nicholson.) The Lakers' 111-98 victory evened the series at a game apiece, and now there's a whole Red Cross bank's worth of bad blood. Instead of coaching adjustments, the next moves belong to Jackson, the NBA's executive vice president of basketball operations who attended the game at Staples Center. He will have a busy day on his hands when he gets off his redeye flight back to New York. Most significant is an elbow Bryant threw that caught Artest in the throat as they were jockeying for position under the basket. The NBA rulebook states that a player must be ejected for "an elbow foul which makes contact above shoulder level." By the standard that's been set in these playoffs, Bryant should be suspended. Orlando's Dwight Howard was when he elbowed Philadelphia's Samuel Dalembert in the head. Superstar or not, the head and neck have been deemed off-limits for elbows. (The lightest tap of the playoffs, Rafer Alston's slap upside Eddie House's head in the Magic-Celtics game Wednesday night, could also fall in this category.) Not only was Bryant not ejected, he wasn't called for a foul on the play. Artest was. Feeling that justice wasn't served, Artest took some vigilante action, running across the court to Bryant, letting Bryant know that Artest is not to be, uh, messed with. It was probably more about planting a seed that Artest might just go off in Game 3, that next time there could be dire consequences. "I was hoping the referees would tell him to stop, but then nobody told him to stop, so I had to tell him to stop," Artest said. Bryant wanted no part of Artest. He raised his hands and looked away, afterward claiming to not even have heard Artest. Kobe's explanation for the play: "We were both fighting for position. He was shoving me under the basket. I was just trying to establish position. It wasn't malicious at all." Artest might get fined but won't be suspended. His ejection was more a response to the escalating tension in the game and an attempt to get it under control. Viewed on a TV screen in an office a continent away, it won't warrant further punishment. The reason Artest got tossed was because the stakes were higher after Derek Fisher's flagrant 2 foul for delivering a hockey-style check to Luis Scola as Scola ran up to set a back screen. Flagrant 2 fouls result in an automatic ejection, plus review to determine if a suspension is warranted. The explanation put forth by Fisher and advocated by Phil Jackson was that Fisher just wanted to fight through the screen and it looked worse because Scola stopped short of where Fisher expected him to be. Uh-uh. We haven't seen someone take so long to load up since people were fighting with muskets. But what could keep Fisher in the lineup for Game 3 was that Fisher hit Scola square in the chest -- below the shoulders. It's similar to the justification for not suspending Rajon Rondo for his roller-derby toss of Kirk Hinrich into the scorer's table. The Fisher foul followed some chatter between Lamar Odom and Scola, after Scola fouled Odom on a drive, with Luke Walton adding some commentary as well. Official Joey Crawford dished out technical fouls to all three. These were the Lakers as we haven't seen them in these playoffs. They were edgy, with an attitude, fueled by trailing a series for the first time and people questioning their championship testiness. This was the response Bryant wanted to see. "It's good for us," Bryant said. "You have a challenge here in front of you. You want to be champions, you have to respond to it." He took it upon himself to take out his frustrations on Shane Battier, lighting up from the beginning and making 16 of 27 shots overall. After almost every basket he yelled to the fans, to Kevin Harlan and Doug Collins, or to Battier himself that "He can't guard me." Finally, in the fourth quarter, that earned him a technical foul. Nicholson escaped without punishment when he cursed and made a lewd gesture at official Bill Spooner. But Houston's Von Wafer wasn't so lucky, getting dismissed for something he said to Rockets coach Rick Adelman on the bench. Whatever ticked off Wafer, he can't be as frustrated as Lakers big man Andrew Bynum, who started in Game 1, but in Game 2 lost his spot to Lamar Odom for the second consecutive series, then wound up playing only eight minutes. Bryant's 15 first-quarter points staked the Lakers to a 39-25 lead, but it dwindled to a six-point advantage while Bynum was on the floor to start the second quarter, and by halftime the score was tied at 57. But Bryant poured in another 12 in the third quarter as the Lakers regained control. He easily won the superstar battle on a night Yao Ming scored only 12 points. The Lakers took him out with more fronting, and he took himself out with five personal fouls. And the Lakers won the decision on the night the series took on a decidedly nastier tone. "They're getting hammered by their media for not being tough enough," Battier said. "I guess they wanted to come out and show they're tough guys, making some plays like that. That's their mind frame." Fine, Artest seemed to say. Be that way. "We're naturally tough," he said. "We're naturally like that." The Rockets leave with the split -- or should we say split decision? Round 3 -- er, Game 3 -- is Friday in Houston. "This one looks like it's shaping into a good, physical series," Bryant said. "It's fun, '80s style." Taken from ESPN Daily Dime. Seems like Kobe should be suspended, but I'd be REALLY surprised if that happens. | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
This is not the same as Howard walking past Dalembert and clipping the back of his head with his elbow after the ball was dead. All kinds of elbowing, kneeing, pushing, shoving, etc. goes on under the basket when teams are fighting for rebounds. It'd be ridiculous if the league took the position that inadvertant or unintentional elbows above the shoulders are automatic flagrant-2's warranting suspension. I can guarantee you that there are plenty of smaller players who have tried to get rebounds and ended up getting elbowed above the shoulders by a taller player who's elbows are above their shoulders already. Do they all get automatic flagrant-2's and suspensions too? The kind of strict interpretation people are expecting doesn't make any logical sense, and I think the league has to look at the intent behind the elbows. Elbow hits above the shoulder should only warrant a flagrant-2 if there was some improper motive/intent behind it, otherwise players would be suspended to accidental hits. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On May 08 2009 02:37 CTStalker wrote: since when do you throw your elbow backwards and upwards as you box out? you don't do that shit. the only time the nba lets people swing their elbows like that is after you've gotten a rebound or a pass and someone's in your face. and even then, they'd call a foul if you smoked someone. well it looks like artest was pushing bryant forward/downwards | ||
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
we will see | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On May 08 2009 02:39 CTStalker wrote: just look at the gif oneofthem posted. that's not clean boxing out, and it's very clear to me bryant made a jerking elbow motion towards artest, to get him out of the way. maybe he didn't intend he catch him in the throat, but tough luck he did, and the nba should punish him for it. you can't look at an isolated gif of like 2 seconds of action to determine that, the gif only shows the elbow... you need to look at the entire play. the difference between Dwight's elbow and Kobe's is that the paint was empty, it was just Dalembert and Howard standing there, the play was already over, and Dwight just randomly elbowed him. whether or not Kobe INTENDED to elbow Artest is impossible to tell... if you watch the play it just looks like he's working for position because Artest is a lot stronger than him he has to use more force, so the hit seemed stronger. and ya, Kobe didn't hit him in the throat, it was on the chest. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
the only comment i want to make is that artest is fucking hilarious and awesome | ||
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
On May 08 2009 03:02 Xeris wrote: you can't look at an isolated gif of like 2 seconds of action to determine that, the gif only shows the elbow... you need to look at the entire play. the difference between Dwight's elbow and Kobe's is that the paint was empty, it was just Dalembert and Howard standing there, the play was already over, and Dwight just randomly elbowed him. whether or not Kobe INTENDED to elbow Artest is impossible to tell... if you watch the play it just looks like he's working for position because Artest is a lot stronger than him he has to use more force, so the hit seemed stronger. and ya, Kobe didn't hit him in the throat, it was on the chest. i've seen the entire play over and over and that elbow was an intended elbow. no doubt about it. when you're jostling for position, you're supposed to be using your waist/rear end/lower body a la ron artest during that particular sequence. to me it looks more like kobe got frustrated cause ron artest just muscled his way through using elbows would only be legal if they were used in a pushing manner rather than a jerking/striking manner. edit: hope kobe doesn't get suspended. that would mean less kobe vs artest  | ||
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