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On April 17 2009 07:59 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2009 07:48 Xeris wrote:
You're also aware that Kobe can shut down LeBron (and vice versa). So pretty much you'll have them playing each other to an influential/statistical standstill for the whole series probably (I'd predict there will be one game LeBron goes off and one Kobe goes off), so the series will really come down to two things:
A) How will Mo Williams play/can the Lakers close off his strong points (corner 3's) ?
B) Can Clevland do something about the Lakers "other" players (I.E, they have Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Ariza, Fisher who are all capable of giving you between 10-20 points, plus Walton, Farmar, and Vujacic off the bench) ?
I like this more than that other explanation. Basketball games rarely come down to relying on a guy to get tired, or Pau Gasol of all people playing good defense. His defense is OK, not superstar ala series changing level. Also Ben Wallace is a problem because let's face it, Andrew Bynum is overrated. He's OK. But to think the Lakers are just going to dominate the boards against Wallace/Ilgauskus is saying a lot. The Lakers are probably more worried about how to stop Mo Williams from offering Lebron too much help.
I agree with that.. the Lakers aren't as beastly on the boards as people may seem to believe.
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On April 17 2009 08:15 Jibba wrote:
Wallace has 1 leg left. I think you mean Old Iron Balls/Ilgauskus, and I agree.
Ben Wallace with one leg is still a good rebounder 
He is a master of positioning. And yea the Iron Balled Brazilian is a major contributor to the Cavs fluid play also. I hate to admit it but he's their "Trevor Ariza", but better than Ariza.
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On April 16 2009 19:24 oneofthem wrote:this is just lol lebron is a proven postseason performer, unlike dirk. only haters would ask this question at all
LOL go watch the Cavs Spurs final
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Ok I just read that Garnett will not be playing in the playoffs, at least the first roundish. 
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no way anderson varejao is better than ariza, varejao looks like hes doing something with that hair flailing about but hes really not doing much at all, idk why he ever tries to go to work in the post is beyond me. with ariza what u see is what u get and hes athletic for his position and a good defender, unlike varejao whos just annoying and being annoying is way less effective in the playoffs cos people will deal with the bullshit and expose him for the very mediocre pf he is
anyway i have a feeling lakers will just outclass everyone else this year, if kobe manages to lose this one then dont know what. he's being playing like a dumbass for about a month before bynum came back so hopefully he turns into good kobe not kobe who ignores his teammates. its pretty fucking obvious the lakers kill people when they run the offense through gasol instead of kobe pulling up for 20fters without a pass so they really should win this year, theres no excuse
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the lakers are just too strong with bynum back now
honestly i think next year is probably the last year they can win a championship
COUNT ON WIZARDS WINNING IT ALL NEXT YEAR
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On April 17 2009 10:11 no_comprender wrote:
no way anderson varejao is better than ariza, varejao looks like hes doing something with that hair flailing about but hes really not doing much at all, idk why he ever tries to go to work in the post is beyond me. with ariza what u see is what u get and hes athletic for his position and a good defender, unlike varejao whos just annoying and being annoying is way less effective in the playoffs cos people will deal with the bullshit and expose him for the very mediocre pf he is
anyway i have a feeling lakers will just outclass everyone else this year, if kobe manages to lose this one then dont know what. he's being playing like a dumbass for about a month before bynum came back so hopefully he turns into good kobe not kobe who ignores his teammates. its pretty fucking obvious the lakers kill people when they run the offense through gasol instead of kobe pulling up for 20fters without a pass so they really should win this year, theres no excuse
what the hell is this nonsense? I almost took this post seriously till you said Kobe has been playing like a dumbass for a month. You can't be serious. Kobe hasn't been ignoring his teammates for um...almost the whole season.
Where do you random fucktards pull this shit from? It's no longer cool to come into a thread, bash a random player and have NO EVIDENCE to back it up. Stop that shit.
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On April 17 2009 10:11 no_comprender wrote:
no way anderson varejao is better than ariza, varejao looks like hes doing something with that hair flailing about but hes really not doing much at all, idk why he ever tries to go to work in the post is beyond me. with ariza what u see is what u get and hes athletic for his position and a good defender, unlike varejao whos just annoying and being annoying is way less effective in the playoffs cos people will deal with the bullshit and expose him for the very mediocre pf he is
anyway i have a feeling lakers will just outclass everyone else this year, if kobe manages to lose this one then dont know what. he's being playing like a dumbass for about a month before bynum came back so hopefully he turns into good kobe not kobe who ignores his teammates. its pretty fucking obvious the lakers kill people when they run the offense through gasol instead of kobe pulling up for 20fters without a pass so they really should win this year, theres no excuse
he hasn't played like that since 2006, and even then that's a stretch
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wtf? kobe is a single minded scorer at heart and when things aren't running silky smooth, like they weren't for a few stretches of games in march, he has a tendency to lose faith and patience in the offense and do it himself. 30yr old players don't change the fundamental way they approach the game. how can you deny that?
i watched about half the lakers schedule in march and even on a good day kobe simply doesn't have that team awareness that would make the lakers that much better. he seems to make up his mind whos going to score (me/not me) as soon as the possession starts, he doesn't use himself as a decoy nearly enough for example. so often after kobe gets doubled the team gets into an awesome offensive position with ariza/gasol/odom/whoever scoring and then kobe comes down the next possession and goes 1on1 at the top of the key with maybe a pass to fisher who's also liable to randomly jack it like he has some kind of chucking spasms and can't help it.
the lakers win by being straight up better but they don't CONTROL games in way that for example celtics last year and cavs do this yr, they have set lineup models they use for basically the whole game and strangle the opposition by doing one style very well. lakers let the players on the floor dictate the offense if you get what i mean. anyway with bynum back lakers should be fine, i haven't seen a bad game from kobe with bynum on the floor. also i have no idea why they don't put kobe on the outer block more often cos the lakers are insanely deadly from that position, you MUST double fast and odom/gasol are too long and good passers to cover all options
kobe is a great player but if he altered his playstyle slightly the lakers would be that much more effective, they should win it all easily because they have the most talent by far and if they don't it'll be kobe's fault
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You cant say to bunch of biased Lakers/Kobe fans that Gasol has been providing and has been much more effective than Kobe who is "still finding" his shooting abilities even though its obvious that hes finger is not OK and that he is not 25 anymore plus Olympics and schedule got him worn himout. Feed Pau Gasol and that guy will deliver with nice shooting %. It was pretty obvious when Pau Gasol and Odom were fed the ball then 3 starters sat out the final quarter, but when Kobe turned ballhog after Bynums injury then they had like max 5 point wins with Kobe 30-like points and starters playing many minutes.
Let me remind you that Gasol IS NOT C, he is PF and now when Bynum is back he will enjoy playing alot more since he can play his natural position and dominate everyone except Duncan, Garnett and Lamarcus Alridge.
Move the ball faster and feed the one who is shooting well and we will see blowout wins and Kobe/Odom/Gasol can sit out and rest.
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On April 17 2009 08:32 il0seonpurpose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2009 19:24 oneofthem wrote:6. Will LeBron go Dirk on us after winning the MVP? this is just lol lebron is a proven postseason performer, unlike dirk. only haters would ask this question at all LOL go watch the Cavs Spurs final
This is a bit unfair. LeBron basically got the Cavs to that finals series on his own (his performance vs the Pistons was amazing) and ran out of puff.
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Wait a sec..Kobe isolated at the top of a key for a 1 on 1 is HIS "fault"?
do you even know WHY the Lakers run that play? Go ahead, I'll give you 2 days to take a wild guess.
When the Lakers bench was playing like total ass in MARCH, Kobe and Gasol carried the team. What more do you want from him? When the Lakers are losing he always puts the team on his back. Whether he has to score in the clutch (like great players do) or make the extra pass (like great players do) - he does it. I can't recall many times seeing Kobe play at all this year and going "shit, he's an idiot".
The Lakers do control games - you just aren't good enough to see it. In fact, I'm going to ask you why would the Lakers not want Kobe to be the main one shooting? With an injured pinkie and all this "fatigue" talk that only nonsensical fans and jackass sports writers keep bringing up you'd think he couldn't be putting up 26.8 ppg right? Or did you not notice that when Bynum went down Kobe elevated his game. If he didn't we'd have to listen to jerks (ala you) telling us he didn't step up. LA went 10-5 in March so where is your evidence that Kobe doesn't have good team awareness? How about the fact that he averaged 4.6 APg in that stretch, second only to his December numbers of 7.1 APG?
Get lost with the bullshit. I'm not even a Kobe fan but I can't stand random jerkoffs that watch a few internet podcasts and claim they know how good a player is. Laughable.
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On April 18 2009 04:45 Ace wrote:
do you even know WHY the Lakers run that play? Go ahead, I'll give you 2 days to take a wild guess.
cuz he is gud??
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On April 18 2009 01:38 RowdierBob wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2009 08:32 il0seonpurpose wrote:On April 16 2009 19:24 oneofthem wrote:6. Will LeBron go Dirk on us after winning the MVP? this is just lol lebron is a proven postseason performer, unlike dirk. only haters would ask this question at all LOL go watch the Cavs Spurs final This is a bit unfair. LeBron basically got the Cavs to that finals series on his own (his performance vs the Pistons was amazing) and ran out of puff.
Yeah thats true but he couldn't play when it really mattered. Yes, that game against the Pistons was amazing, no denying about that. Unfortunately, there was none of that in the finals.
And about Kobe, he is not a ballhog at all, he scores when it matters. He gets his teammates involved throughout, mostly the first half and then when he sees them behind, he'll step it up.
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ace you might want to see your counselor about your unrequited manlove for kobe. gj on going on about how i didn't bring any evidence and all you have is stats, i wonder who gets all their info from the internet.... don't bother responding because i won't be
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he's probably the most anti-Laker person that posts here that actually knows anything about basketball. you are just a troll.
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On April 17 2009 20:50 no_comprender wrote:
wtf? kobe is a single minded scorer at heart and when things aren't running silky smooth, like they weren't for a few stretches of games in march, he has a tendency to lose faith and patience in the offense and do it himself. 30yr old players don't change the fundamental way they approach the game. how can you deny that?
i watched about half the lakers schedule in march and even on a good day kobe simply doesn't have that team awareness that would make the lakers that much better. he seems to make up his mind whos going to score (me/not me) as soon as the possession starts, he doesn't use himself as a decoy nearly enough for example. so often after kobe gets doubled the team gets into an awesome offensive position with ariza/gasol/odom/whoever scoring and then kobe comes down the next possession and goes 1on1 at the top of the key with maybe a pass to fisher who's also liable to randomly jack it like he has some kind of chucking spasms and can't help it.
the lakers win by being straight up better but they don't CONTROL games in way that for example celtics last year and cavs do this yr, they have set lineup models they use for basically the whole game and strangle the opposition by doing one style very well. lakers let the players on the floor dictate the offense if you get what i mean. anyway with bynum back lakers should be fine, i haven't seen a bad game from kobe with bynum on the floor. also i have no idea why they don't put kobe on the outer block more often cos the lakers are insanely deadly from that position, you MUST double fast and odom/gasol are too long and good passers to cover all options
kobe is a great player but if he altered his playstyle slightly the lakers would be that much more effective, they should win it all easily because they have the most talent by far and if they don't it'll be kobe's fault
uh. what? kobe is a shooting guard for a reason, not a point guard. and he dishes it out when he sees teammates available. what games have you been watching? stick with the times. it's not 04/05
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