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TL Fontong: I'm sorry but you have come to the wrong place. We did not bring Klazart upon you, this site DOES NOT endorse Klazart in any official capacity. This site is teamliquid and does not produce its own commentaries on any regular basis.
TL: Ncontrol: IRISH INDIAN? WHO THE FUCK DOES THAT?
TL: Piskooooo: I think it's funny that these people are like 40-50 years old yet they're calling him nigger/paki (one person)
TL: Piskooooo: I feel like DDOSing the site just for all the racist shit on there.
TL: Bozali: I'm pretty sure he's indian and I can understand people not liking his voice.
TL: Shavingcream66: sorry guys, but i'm gonna start trolling these forums because this is great
TL: Shavingcream66: look at this person and tell me she's normal
TL: Hot_Bid: I have a feeling this book will overtake Klazart's soon (Shadow Rush)
TL: Aphelion: This reminds me of that stripper website we crashed in on for a few weeks.
TL: Fobulous: lol this is like 4chan
TL: Pika Chu: Well seems the starcraft community owns authonomy. We have teh powar!
Okay, bored now. Kudos to those on TL who were even-handed in their comments, and there were plenty, but the rest... Pot, Kettle, Black.
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bless, are you out of nappies yet? destroying things that others find precious tends to fade as you enter the less egocentric stage of childhood and into the next. Calling people incontinent egocentric children is not the way to further your aims.
Then again, judging by your need for acknowledgment this isn't about much more than an attempt to obtain a modicum of self validation by taking veiled shots at a group which you've decided to label and deride. But have you really decided to label and deride us? Lets take a look see at that next paragraph:
Seriously guys, it is comments like this that make me think you don't want to join authonomy to suport K's book or to read other good writing, but merely to vandalise. If this view is a minority then as a community with commandments, tell them to wind their necks in. ju-ju So we're a group of vandals because some people have expressed anger at a number of racist, venomous replies to someone who just wants to get feedback for his book? Fantastic. I'm glad we got that out of the way.
As for your view that our moderators should liquidate people who don't conform to your views of what's acceptable on this forum, why don't we apply the same standards to your forum and have every person who made replies of a similar spirit removed. From the looks of it, there were only a handful of members who didn't allow their emotions to run unchecked, so you're going to have quite the cleanup job.
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On March 23 2009 05:01 Descent wrote:
Crashing the site wasn't intentional. It was simply a by-product of some excess of people at a given time producing too much of a load for the server. There was (as far as I am aware) no deliberate DDOS attack, just a lot of people. It was the server's fault as much as the influx of people's fault -- an unintended consequence. However, taking pleasure from forcing a site offline should be frowned upon; likewise, accusing others, and then perpetrating the myth, of a nonexistent attack should also be frowned upon.
thanks guys, i can see this community is little different to Authonomies (except perhaps for age range). And i agree that the it is not 'your' fault that the Authonomy server could not cope with such a volume of traffic. Just like on Authonomy, the vast majority of members are just doing there thing without malicious intent, and just like on Authonomy there will always be the minority that pretend they are talking for you all, when you are more than capable (as i am) of speaking up for yourself. I really wish you no ill, and would love some of you who have joined Authonomy to stick around. Every genre, every type of writing can be found there. ju-ju
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On March 23 2009 05:12 Floodgate wrote:
TL Fontong: I'm sorry but you have come to the wrong place. We did not bring Klazart upon you, this site DOES NOT endorse Klazart in any official capacity. This site is teamliquid and does not produce its own commentaries on any regular basis.
TL: Ncontrol: IRISH INDIAN? WHO THE FUCK DOES THAT?
TL: Piskooooo: I think it's funny that these people are like 40-50 years old yet they're calling him nigger/paki (one person)
TL: Piskooooo: I feel like DDOSing the site just for all the racist shit on there.
TL: Bozali: I'm pretty sure he's indian and I can understand people not liking his voice.
TL: Shavingcream66: sorry guys, but i'm gonna start trolling these forums because this is great
TL: Shavingcream66: look at this person and tell me she's normal
TL: Hot_Bid: I have a feeling this book will overtake Klazart's soon (Shadow Rush)
TL: Aphelion: This reminds me of that stripper website we crashed in on for a few weeks.
TL: Fobulous: lol this is like 4chan
TL: Pika Chu: Well seems the starcraft community owns authonomy. We have teh powar!
Okay, bored now. Kudos to those on TL who were even-handed in their comments, and there were plenty, but the rest... Pot, Kettle, Black.
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Calgary25989 Posts
Who are you and what is this?
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On March 23 2009 05:15 L wrote:Show nested quote +bless, are you out of nappies yet? destroying things that others find precious tends to fade as you enter the less egocentric stage of childhood and into the next. Calling people incontinent egocentric children is not the way to further your aims. Then again, judging by your need for acknowledgment this isn't about much more than an attempt to obtain a modicum of self validation by taking veiled shots at a group which you've decided to label and deride. But have you really decided to label and deride us? Lets take a look see at that next paragraph: Show nested quote +Seriously guys, it is comments like this that make me think you don't want to join authonomy to suport K's book or to read other good writing, but merely to vandalise. If this view is a minority then as a community with commandments, tell them to wind their necks in. ju-ju So we're a group of vandals because some people have expressed anger at a number of racist, venomous replies to someone who just wants to get feedback for his book? Fantastic. I'm glad we got that out of the way. As for your view that our moderators should liquidate people who don't conform to your views of what's acceptable on this forum, why don't we apply the same standards to your forum and have every person who made replies of a similar spirit removed. From the looks of it, there were only a handful of members who didn't allow their emotions to run unchecked, so you're going to have quite the cleanup job.
hey, calm, my nappy comment was directed at a particular poster who gleefully admitted his or her purpose was to vandalise. As the rest of the post points out, i assume that view is the minority, but you know how easy it is for one or two forceful views to be seen as representing the masses, and all i ask was (like on Authonomy) the less excitable members helped to guide the others. I actually commented and backed the book because it is excellent writing on a very current theme. I am not here to flame, rather to seek those moderate minds who tend form the majority. No idea what the liquidate comment is about? ju-ju
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On March 23 2009 05:15 ju-ju wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2009 05:01 Descent wrote:
Crashing the site wasn't intentional. It was simply a by-product of some excess of people at a given time producing too much of a load for the server. There was (as far as I am aware) no deliberate DDOS attack, just a lot of people. It was the server's fault as much as the influx of people's fault -- an unintended consequence. However, taking pleasure from forcing a site offline should be frowned upon; likewise, accusing others, and then perpetrating the myth, of a nonexistent attack should also be frowned upon. thanks guys, i can see this community is little different to Authonomies (except perhaps for age range). And i agree that the it is not 'your' fault that the Authonomy server could not cope with such a volume of traffic. Just like on Authonomy, the vast majority of members are just doing there thing without malicious intent, and just like on Authonomy there will always be the minority that pretend they are talking for you all, when you are more than capable (as i am) of speaking up for yourself. I really wish you no ill, and would love some of you who have joined Authonomy to stick around. Every genre, every type of writing can be found there. ju-ju
The problem, perhaps, is that I think a large number of Authonomy regulars did in fact believe and back such a thought, particularly in the one 70+ page thread by Annabelle. Even though many of those same regulars are now a bit more open to Klazart, his book, and the newly registered members, it's a bit unfair to say that only a minority pretended to perceive the server loads as an attack. It was, in my opinion, actually the general consensus among Authonomy forum posters that such was happening, and that all of the new users were clone accounts of Klazart, and thus illegitimate. This is deserving of an apology; again, this is just my opinion, but the opinions on Authonomy were largely incorrect, just as a small handful (less than 5?) of the newly registered members on your forums have been truly harmful, and for which you similarly deserve an apology.
Edit: Typo, 'book' not 'bood'.
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On March 22 2009 14:30 Ideas wrote:
klazart has fans?
dude klazart is the man, he's so funny to listen to
edit: lol sorry totalyl replied to a comment on the first page without realizing the thread is already 15 pages long
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i think it is clear that in both cases, individuals must speak for themselves and own their actions. The 70+ page thread contains a huge variety of view points, some i agree with, some i don't. Some are rude and hurtful and some are measured and inclusive. I hope both these communities can learn stuff from each other, flame wars are so droll. If an individual has been offensive, it is up to them to apologise. I all i want is to be able to read great books and get feedback on my own writing, and hopefully reach the Ed's desk through merit and yes a bit of networking.
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As the rest of the post points out, i assume that view is the minority, but you know how easy it is for one or two forceful views to be seen as representing the masses, and all i ask was (like on Authonomy) the less excitable members helped to guide the others. Well, again, apply my issue of the double standard; if i'm correct in assuming you are who you are on the authonomy forums, then you weren't 'asking the less excitable members.. to guide the others'.
No one on authonomy was calling on wannabe to stop his machine gun posts. there was an almost eerie avoidance of the mention that one of your members was telling klaz to fuck off in every post, and that's not to start on the racism. Any opposition to the above three symptoms of a defensive, xenophobic outcry were minority affairs.
So while you say that you might want these two communities to lay down their swords and pick up plowshares, your first goal should be to put your own house in order. I'm downright disgusted by what I saw on that forum, and there hasn't been an apology, any rescinding of comments or anything even close to a community consensus that something wrong was done.
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In my opinion, very few of the comments made by Authonomy members in that thread's first 30 or so pages were not rude or harmful. You, and the other members, have a right to be upset about your falling rankings. However, that does not legitimize the use of ignorance and false accusations against a large number of human users. Also, five out of fifty is a far larger proportion than say, five out of six hundred. A good percentage of Authonomy's members were making ad hominem statements not only against Klazart, but against his fans. In a similar manner, a smaller percentage of those fans have reciprocated the comments. This I feel is true, even if the same number of people on both sides were involved, as it does seem to me like Authonomy's userbase is smaller.
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wow I just realised something: Klazart is the Linkin Park of Starcraft, SC2gg is the Nu Metal of Starcraft
There's a big number of people getting into that kind of stuff because of them, then after a while you get to know what sc/heavy music is all about and start to realise uh wow Linkin Park is actually kinda noob music, fuck linkin park man
but then you realise jeez if it wasnt for that band i wouldnt ever have gotten into all the other kick ass bands like isis or tasteless (im sure theres a heavy metal band with that name somwhere ^^)
I have to say though Klaz is really good at bringing excitement into the game and its just fun too hear him talk with like 400 apm (he's like the by.hero of talking man) and I like it a lot more than any of the professional sports commentators in german TV or those annoying fu**ers at ESPN commentating WSOP (only poker commentator who rocks is gabe kaplan of course)
What I dont understand about all the sc2gg commentators though is why, seeing how much time they put into starcraft, they dont put more time into playing some more themselves and getting better themselves, their commentary would improve so much.
Anyways I dont really think I added anything new to this discussion but whatever I felt like posting this ^^
By the way I also had a friend from singapore who's last name was Bhalla when I was in UK for a year.
Damn I didnt even realise back then what his name truly means back then... fu*k
And hm I just realised all the other guys never made fun of / admired his name either... I guess british people dont really know the word baller.. weird though i mean even sea[shield] knows what that means ^^
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On March 23 2009 05:34 L wrote:Show nested quote +As the rest of the post points out, i assume that view is the minority, but you know how easy it is for one or two forceful views to be seen as representing the masses, and all i ask was (like on Authonomy) the less excitable members helped to guide the others. Well, again, apply my issue of the double standard; if i'm correct in assuming you are who you are on the authonomy forums, then you weren't 'asking the less excitable members.. to guide the others'. No one on authonomy was calling on wannabe to stop his machine gun posts. there was an almost eerie avoidance of the mention that one of your members was telling klaz to fuck off in every post, and that's not to start on the racism. Any opposition to the above three symptoms of a defensive, xenophobic outcry were minority affairs. So while you say that you might want these two communities to lay down their swords and pick up plowshares, your first goal should be to put your own house in order. I'm downright disgusted by what I saw on that forum, and there hasn't been an apology, any rescinding of comments or anything even close to a community consensus that something wrong was done.
my few comments on the forum were measured and i read the book commented and liked it enough to back it. In that way i have shown acceptable behaviour through my actions. Kicking off on a forum thread is not the best way to get people to back down. Authonomy members often have very heated debates about many issues, as writers, most of us are opposed to censorship, but if behaviour crosses a line i.e. direct racism for the purpose of inciting hatred (rather than hot heads getting carried away on a forum thread), then the site has a report abuse function. If you feel some of the comments have crossed the line, then i strongly suggest you let the guys who run Authonomy know.
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On March 23 2009 05:42 ju-ju wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2009 05:34 L wrote:As the rest of the post points out, i assume that view is the minority, but you know how easy it is for one or two forceful views to be seen as representing the masses, and all i ask was (like on Authonomy) the less excitable members helped to guide the others. Well, again, apply my issue of the double standard; if i'm correct in assuming you are who you are on the authonomy forums, then you weren't 'asking the less excitable members.. to guide the others'. No one on authonomy was calling on wannabe to stop his machine gun posts. there was an almost eerie avoidance of the mention that one of your members was telling klaz to fuck off in every post, and that's not to start on the racism. Any opposition to the above three symptoms of a defensive, xenophobic outcry were minority affairs. So while you say that you might want these two communities to lay down their swords and pick up plowshares, your first goal should be to put your own house in order. I'm downright disgusted by what I saw on that forum, and there hasn't been an apology, any rescinding of comments or anything even close to a community consensus that something wrong was done. my few comments on the forum were measured and i read the book commented and liked it enough to back it. In that way i have shown acceptable behaviour through my actions. Kicking off on a forum thread is not the best way to get people to back down. Authonomy members often have very heated debates about many issues, as writers, most of us are opposed to censorship, but if behaviour crosses a line i.e. direct racism for the purpose of inciting hatred (rather than hot heads getting carried away on a forum thread), then the site has a report abuse function. If you feel some of the comments have crossed the line, then i strongly suggest you let the guys who run Authonomy know.
Why are you even here? This place has nothing to do with Klazart, and the majority of the people don't even support him (in fact, very much the opposite).
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On March 23 2009 05:42 ju-ju wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2009 05:34 L wrote:As the rest of the post points out, i assume that view is the minority, but you know how easy it is for one or two forceful views to be seen as representing the masses, and all i ask was (like on Authonomy) the less excitable members helped to guide the others. Well, again, apply my issue of the double standard; if i'm correct in assuming you are who you are on the authonomy forums, then you weren't 'asking the less excitable members.. to guide the others'. No one on authonomy was calling on wannabe to stop his machine gun posts. there was an almost eerie avoidance of the mention that one of your members was telling klaz to fuck off in every post, and that's not to start on the racism. Any opposition to the above three symptoms of a defensive, xenophobic outcry were minority affairs. So while you say that you might want these two communities to lay down their swords and pick up plowshares, your first goal should be to put your own house in order. I'm downright disgusted by what I saw on that forum, and there hasn't been an apology, any rescinding of comments or anything even close to a community consensus that something wrong was done. my few comments on the forum were measured and i read the book commented and liked it enough to back it. In that way i have shown acceptable behaviour through my actions. Kicking off on a forum thread is not the best way to get people to back down. Authonomy members often have very heated debates about many issues, as writers, most of us are opposed to censorship, but if behaviour crosses a line i.e. direct racism for the purpose of inciting hatred (rather than hot heads getting carried away on a forum thread), then the site has a report abuse function. If you feel some of the comments have crossed the line, then i strongly suggest you let the guys who run Authonomy know.
Hm I find it a bit strange though how you dont get upset about that kind of behaviour yourself
If I saw racist comments on any community I often take part in I would get very angry and immediately tell an admin to ban/we that person
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On March 23 2009 05:44 Draconizard wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2009 05:42 ju-ju wrote:On March 23 2009 05:34 L wrote:As the rest of the post points out, i assume that view is the minority, but you know how easy it is for one or two forceful views to be seen as representing the masses, and all i ask was (like on Authonomy) the less excitable members helped to guide the others. Well, again, apply my issue of the double standard; if i'm correct in assuming you are who you are on the authonomy forums, then you weren't 'asking the less excitable members.. to guide the others'. No one on authonomy was calling on wannabe to stop his machine gun posts. there was an almost eerie avoidance of the mention that one of your members was telling klaz to fuck off in every post, and that's not to start on the racism. Any opposition to the above three symptoms of a defensive, xenophobic outcry were minority affairs. So while you say that you might want these two communities to lay down their swords and pick up plowshares, your first goal should be to put your own house in order. I'm downright disgusted by what I saw on that forum, and there hasn't been an apology, any rescinding of comments or anything even close to a community consensus that something wrong was done. my few comments on the forum were measured and i read the book commented and liked it enough to back it. In that way i have shown acceptable behaviour through my actions. Kicking off on a forum thread is not the best way to get people to back down. Authonomy members often have very heated debates about many issues, as writers, most of us are opposed to censorship, but if behaviour crosses a line i.e. direct racism for the purpose of inciting hatred (rather than hot heads getting carried away on a forum thread), then the site has a report abuse function. If you feel some of the comments have crossed the line, then i strongly suggest you let the guys who run Authonomy know. Why are you even here? This place has nothing to do with Klazart, and the majority of the people don't even support him (in fact, very much the opposite).
Well I suppose he's here to support/defend a site he cares about... nothing wrong with that.
even though theres various people from tl disliking klaz im still sure theres several TLers who only knew about this via TL -> started making comments on their site.. i mean just look at JWDs comment "Even though Klaz is pretty unpopular amongst staff at TL, I think we should support his book because
a) this is hilarious.
b) anyone who categorically insults gamers deserves to pranked, at the very least.
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On March 23 2009 05:09 eatmyshorts5 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2009 05:02 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On March 23 2009 05:00 eatmyshorts5 wrote:On March 22 2009 14:44 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
HOLY SHIT THAT VOICE IS KLAZART? WHY THE FUCK DOES ANYONE LIKE HIS COMMENTATING?
God damn it.. where is he from/ethnicity? What can explain that horrid voice? From what i understand he lives in ireland. And it's not his voice that makes us love his commentating, it's his fire. He commentates like a Korean (almost) Do you guys even read threads anymore? This was answered 5 times or so. Oh sorry i was just reading through the first page and saw your post. I was unaware of the 13 other pages.
Not reading the tread is one thing, but not noticing the thread? Wow, man.
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On March 23 2009 05:34 Descent wrote:
In my opinion, very few of the comments made by Authonomy members in that thread's first 30 or so pages were not rude or harmful. You, and the other members, have a right to be upset about your falling rankings. However, that does not legitimize the use of ignorance and false accusations against a large number of human users. Also, five out of fifty is a far larger proportion than say, five out of six hundred. A good percentage of Authonomy's members were making ad hominem statements not only against Klazart, but against his fans. In a similar manner, a smaller percentage of those fans have reciprocated the comments. This I feel is true, even if the same number of people on both sides were involved, as it does seem to me like Authonomy's userbase is smaller.
i actually don't know the membership of Authonomy so can't comment on who had the biggest amount of unruly members (not sure that it is relevant, anyhow). By the time i surfaced this morning the thread had reached 60 something, so no idea what was on the first thirty pages (i think i make a couple of comments around page 70). And the ranking thing is certainly not an issue to me. And i agree nothing legitmises ignorance or false accusations - but then we are all human and liable to emotional outbursts. But if you think anyone crossed a line (as in my previous thread) make use on the report abuse function (when the site is up and running again). I miss it you know - i had a lot of reads i'd promised to do for other writers today, and its been running so badly, i couldn't open their chapters.
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They are crying very hard all over that site.
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And yes the reason I'm here is because i do care about the site. But i think i have said all i can. Thanks to the members on here who engaged in conversation. From some of the messages on this thread, particular the one that pulls up an Authonomy members avatar, strictly to make fun of it, i hope you challenge your own members on abusive posts, as you expect me to do on Authonomy. If any of you do want to come over and read, there really are some great novels of all genres.
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