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Liquid.Venice
United States916 Posts
It was vs Xd's~kiwi, about 25-30 minutes. At the end, when i asked what i did wrong he said 'i had 12 hats'. I then repeated 'what did i do wrong'. he told me there wasn't anything I could do. What's your guys' opinion on long range pvz on non island maps? I find it extremely one sided. btw all kiwi did was go mass crack/hydra with ups and powered like crazy. I went dt/zeal/storm/arch/really light goon/obs. | ||
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OrangeTerran
United States963 Posts
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OrangeTerran
United States963 Posts
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Liquid.Venice
United States916 Posts
Also, questions for you guys: In zvz, what do the gosus do if the opponent goes something like 3hat 1base hydra(cause i always see them go with 11 pool builds). and one other thing, im dying for good games here. Im a regular sc player, no one knows me. I would love to play every person here, so if anyone wants to pls message me on DaRk.Flaw- ill either be on useast or europe(prolly useast). | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
he told me there wasn't anything I could do. That pretty much sums it up yes. | ||
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Fox
United States408 Posts
Honestly besides microing with perfect timing/macro perfect. You still can lose. Gl Shit Naz knows man, sometimes you play at your best and fucking hydra/lurker/ling are just way to much. Fox | ||
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Liquid.Venice
United States916 Posts
Oh, and nazgul, could I pvp you sometime? Just once ;P | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On December 05 2002 06:34 Kiddie wrote: I didn't want *help* i wanted to know your opinions on it. Also, questions for you guys: In zvz, what do the gosus do if the opponent goes something like 3hat 1base hydra(cause i always see them go with 11 pool builds). and one other thing, im dying for good games here. Im a regular sc player, no one knows me. I would love to play every person here, so if anyone wants to pls message me on DaRk.Flaw- ill either be on useast or europe(prolly useast). hey man play with me, I belief we met during a game of wgtour. you defeated me, as protoss. I belief we can be partice partners.. my tvp is very good, but i just keep trying to perfect the bio terran freak taught me earlier on. it is mad power rush at the first 7 mins^^ oh yeah my account is art_of_ntt please look for me on europe and west and some times east  | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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Liquid.Venice
United States916 Posts
That was an amusing biotech rush. Should have attacked sooner was its only problem. | ||
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AlmostSexy
United States150 Posts
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OrangeTerran
United States963 Posts
there's always something you could do, especially if you got raped by kiwi's zerg | ||
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Liquid.Venice
United States916 Posts
First of all, if you think kiwi's zerg isnt good, try playing it pvz ok? And second of all, this was a post for friendly conversation, you can't help me with the damn game if you don't even know what happened in it. And ninja, i didnt ignore you, i dont think i was there ;P | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
but i think the best bet is to not try to work mid, but rather distract/chz with temp drops, sairs, etc.. take islands and fend for life my thoughts: dont let z get crzy crack lings. | ||
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RowdyBob
Australia206 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4520 Posts
then just upgrade/power with cannons to 10 gates. zvz vs 3 hatch hydra...u just mutal gensei~ mass mutals with quicker expand as usual...and whenever he moves out of his base u hit his main hard..and put as many sunks up at ur exp as u need to stop his hydras...this could involve 8 sunks or so but the thing is..whenever he moves u just comletely kill his main or drones..just do heavy damage...while he cant kill u cuz of the sunks...gg~ hydra sucks | ||
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Liquid.Venice
United States916 Posts
Cause the one game i tried 3hat hydra vs fast muta/ling i attacked as his expo was finishing, and i had 3 spores up at my main | ||
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Stim_Abuser
United States1277 Posts
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Liquid.Venice
United States916 Posts
;D | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28796 Posts
toss needs to make the zerg worried about what the fuck he's going to do this game so the zerg is afraid to power. 9 vs 6 and 6 vs 9 is still incredibly hard.. (I tend to win that matchup very often by doing weird shit like 4 zealot dropping into reaver into 2 stargate sair, or just 4-5 gateway zealot goon rush.. ) but don't be afraid to proxy gate.. and then every now and then you just straight out beat them with standard 2 gate into zeal temp too.. =] | ||
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Liquid.Venice
United States916 Posts
so awesome | ||
ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
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maleorderbride
United States2916 Posts
p.s. im not saying im "excellent", ive simply found that the best way to get better is find someone who completely owns you and play them until you can actually win occasionally. | ||
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maleorderbride
United States2916 Posts
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option4
United States104 Posts
 there is nothing wrong with 'kiwi's zerg' lay off and quit being such a fag off battle net too. idiot. btw hi drone ^______________________________________________^ hi naz ^________________________________________________^ | ||
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FeeLdAfuRy
Australia290 Posts
I seem to recall Kiwi's zerg bitchslapping smuft, and a great deal of the b.net community I just remember that 1 game particuarly, in wgtour season 1. I really dont think you can call his zerg bad by anyones standards! | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28796 Posts
and maphack isn't even an issue now a days.. I really haven't suspected my opponent of hacking in more than 1000 games.. =/ btw option why do you keep giving naz the bigger smile? another btw regarding kiwi, keep in mind that he did beat naz zvp in the teamliquid tournament. :p | ||
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RowdyBob
Australia206 Posts
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Suicide
United States475 Posts
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
Practise Practise Practise. Ask Kiwi for a RE, Best out of 5 on the same MAP and same MU. HF~^~! | ||
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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Roman
United States2595 Posts
1) if your opponent has mostly hydra contain, recall on one of his expos, prefferably another main with about 1/4 of your army, if he recalls his army, run a bit behind him and trap his hydras and flank/storm them... slaughters lots of numbers. If he doesnt send most of his forces back to help, and if you cant break him with what you have, stay patient, get another arb, and switch off recalling expos. Make sure ur arbs dont die, get some cannons so u can dance around scourge 2) if he contains with lurks, either sair/stasis his ovies and use arbs for cloack, or if that cant work (which it usually cant) just guerrilla recalls, plan and time ur attack make him recall his supoort units to help, and use your remaining forces to break. You can recall your z/temp and keep your goon for the break. I hope that helped... | ||
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Roman
United States2595 Posts
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halpmeh
United States333 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Pomozite
Croatia647 Posts
On December 05 2002 13:33 [GiTM]-Ace wrote: goon/reaver ownz about anything imo. Well except those mass drops.But usually opponent sees ur goons goes mass lings then bam reavers its funny Mass mutas own Goons. PvZ on lt is unbalanced. When I watch gosu PvZ replays zerg can make some mistakes, but still win. There is no good toss counter vs ultras and defilers spells. | ||
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Liquid.Venice
United States916 Posts
but its hard to have that much gas. | ||
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
On December 05 2002 21:13 Pomozite wrote: Mass mutas own Goons. PvZ on lt is unbalanced. When I watch gosu PvZ replays zerg can make some mistakes, but still win. There is no good toss counter vs ultras and defilers spells. yea but u would scout that and not go that.I was talking about a/g crack/dra.If they go mass mutas then chnge the strat | ||
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FeeLdAfuRy
Australia290 Posts
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surv
Belgium337 Posts
^_^ V | ||
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Bleww
United States1080 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
thanks surv! | ||
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