New foreigner in Korea! (never heard of him)

On February 20 2009 20:02 GTR-2-Go wrote:
send me to korea thanks
edit: this isn't the foreigner artosis said that was 'invited' to join estro

On February 20 2009 22:46 Phrogs! wrote:
Someone own him and post like the ret vs choiddong after the [name] house video

On February 20 2009 22:43 Shikyo wrote:
Ban for ladder abuse imo.

On February 20 2009 21:04 cujo2k wrote:
artosis put on some weight yo. but good shit neverthleless

On February 20 2009 23:50 VIB wrote:
This could be very bad for our image in korea... I think this is a little bit more serious than you guys make it seems, if it's really what all of you have been saying this guy should be banned asap before any further damage is done.

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania – February 03, 2008 – Frag Dominant, LLC, one of North America's leading eSports organizations, is pleased to announce the acquisition of Pierre-Jean "ToaD" Orgues, a professional Starcraft player from France.

Having worked as an on the scene reporter for organizations such as SK-Gaming and Meet Your Makers in the past, ToaD decided it was time to move from behind the scenes and step into the spotlight. Pierre, a 5 year veteran Starcraft player, will be moving to Seoul, Korea next week to attend university and live with his girlfriend. While in Korea, Pierre will be training with other professionals to advance his skills and prepare for future events. As many may or may not know, the Korean population considers Starcraft as a national sport; broadcasted on live television and viewed by millions of fans across the country. With the help of Frag Dominant and its loyal sponsors, ToaD will be traveling to a large list of venues in the 2009 circuit, and he will be the only local French professional gamer attending live events.

"I look forward to competing under the Frag Dominant brand in 2009; it's always been my dream to represent an awesome organization like FD," said Pierre-Jean "ToaD" Orgues. "I want to thank everyone who supported me along the way, and most of all, I would like to thank Yoan "ToD" Merlo. See you in Seoul! 안녕!"

On February 20 2009 23:50 iD.NicKy wrote:
I talked to him a bit and ..
This guy is stuying in korea, he has some contacts in korea like ToD, he was in SK for w3. Fragdominant went to him, he didn't ask for anything so don't be too harsh with him.

On February 20 2009 23:50 iD.NicKy wrote:
I talked to him a bit and ..
This guy is stuying in korea, he has some contacts in korea like ToD, he was in SK for w3. Fragdominant went to him, he didn't ask for anything so don't be too harsh with him.

On February 20 2009 20:23 toopham wrote:
xD he played like 15 games but just with 6-7 different people.
from the look of things, it seems like he just play with his french buddies for the free wins

On February 21 2009 01:47 motbob wrote:
You guys don't seem to get it...
This is all a publicity stunt by FD. They don't expect Toad to become a progamer. He doesn't expect to become a progamer.

Relax.

On February 21 2009 01:55 littlechava wrote:

WHAT?
WHY????????

On February 21 2009 03:24 floor exercise wrote:
I don't think intentionally recruiting a bad player is some joke. I think (hope) they are just lazily putting together a SC team without knowing anything about it and that guy already lived in Korea teaching or something so they were like "ok this is our sc team" in preparation of sc2 or something

On February 21 2009 04:14 Xeris wrote:
FD doesn't give 2 shits, they just want to have "Starcraft" on their site.

But if you guys really want to actually do something about this, instead of whining like little girls on TL.net, register an account at FD and flame the fuck out of them

On February 21 2009 04:44 3clipse wrote:
Some of you guys really believe he's only D+? Not that I don't trust Artosis but this is obviously hyperbole.

On February 21 2009 04:51 Xeris wrote:
all 15 games are abuse, lol

On February 21 2009 04:17 LuckyFool wrote:
Yeah because that's the TL-like thing to do of course. Go forth and flame.

On February 21 2009 04:34 yejin wrote:
Ok.

You guys don't know him so I have to do it.

ToaD is known here as a "fanboy". Well, first of all his nickname was chosen to copy ToD indeed, as this guy has no personnality.

Then, ToaD decided to become the #1 fan of SK-Gaming. He went on the SK-Shop and bought all the gears from SK. Then he took pictures of him watching WC3 games online wearing all his SK shirts and playing on SK mousepads with SK mouse.

Then he decided he would tour with SK. He went to tournaments with them and got autographs of the Korean players. He even had a news on SK-Gaming for his commitment and a nice video of him meeting Lyn and Soju and asking for autographs (Koreans were like wtf Ok ?!!). After that very emotional phase, when he called himself SK.ToaD, he decided to change clothe and went to myMYM. He bought all the MYM gears and did the same their ! Yep, true.

He never was part of aAa, he never was in any pro-team.

Now it seems that he's in Korea, I'm just amazed by this guy, seriously.

On February 21 2009 04:34 yejin wrote:
Ok.

You guys don't know him so I have to do it.

ToaD is known here as a "fanboy". Well, first of all his nickname was chosen to copy ToD indeed, as this guy has no personnality.

Then, ToaD decided to become the #1 fan of SK-Gaming. He went on the SK-Shop and bought all the gears from SK. Then he took pictures of him watching WC3 games online wearing all his SK shirts and playing on SK mousepads with SK mouse.

Then he decided he would tour with SK. He went to tournaments with them and got autographs of the Korean players. He even had a news on SK-Gaming for his commitment and a nice video of him meeting Lyn and Soju and asking for autographs (Koreans were like wtf Ok ?!!). After that very emotional phase, when he called himself SK.ToaD, he decided to change clothe and went to myMYM. He bought all the MYM gears and did the same their ! Yep, true.

He never was part of aAa, he never was in any pro-team.

Now it seems that he's in Korea, I'm just amazed by this guy, seriously.

On February 21 2009 05:50 CaucasianAsian wrote:



haha this guy has true dedication!

On February 21 2009 04:34 yejin wrote:
Ok.

You guys don't know him so I have to do it.

ToaD is known here as a "fanboy". Well, first of all his nickname was chosen to copy ToD indeed, as this guy has no personnality.

Then, ToaD decided to become the #1 fan of SK-Gaming. He went on the SK-Shop and bought all the gears from SK. Then he took pictures of him watching WC3 games online wearing all his SK shirts and playing on SK mousepads with SK mouse.

Then he decided he would tour with SK. He went to tournaments with them and got autographs of the Korean players. He even had a news on SK-Gaming for his commitment and a nice video of him meeting Lyn and Soju and asking for autographs (Koreans were like wtf Ok ?!!). After that very emotional phase, when he called himself SK.ToaD, he decided to change clothe and went to myMYM. He bought all the MYM gears and did the same their ! Yep, true.

He never was part of aAa, he never was in any pro-team.

Now it seems that he's in Korea, I'm just amazed by this guy, seriously.

On February 20 2009 23:50 iD.NicKy wrote:
I talked to him a bit and ..
This guy is stuying in korea, he has some contacts in korea like ToD, he was in SK for w3. Fragdominant went to him, he didn't ask for anything so don't be too harsh with him.

On February 21 2009 04:34 yejin wrote:
Ok.

You guys don't know him so I have to do it.

ToaD is known here as a "fanboy". Well, first of all his nickname was chosen to copy ToD indeed, as this guy has no personnality.

Then, ToaD decided to become the #1 fan of SK-Gaming. He went on the SK-Shop and bought all the gears from SK. Then he took pictures of him watching WC3 games online wearing all his SK shirts and playing on SK mousepads with SK mouse.

Then he decided he would tour with SK. He went to tournaments with them and got autographs of the Korean players. He even had a news on SK-Gaming for his commitment and a nice video of him meeting Lyn and Soju and asking for autographs (Koreans were like wtf Ok ?!!). After that very emotional phase, when he called himself SK.ToaD, he decided to change clothe and went to myMYM. He bought all the MYM gears and did the same their ! Yep, true.

He never was part of aAa, he never was in any pro-team.

Now it seems that he's in Korea, I'm just amazed by this guy, seriously.

On February 21 2009 04:14 Xeris wrote:
FD doesn't give 2 shits, they just want to have "Starcraft" on their site.

On February 21 2009 13:11 SkepTicAL wrote:
To Rekrul: Bad player go to korea for publicity stunt, player will fail horribly after getting demoralized every single game for most likely at least 1-2 years(if he stays that long) and will leave korea.

On February 21 2009 04:34 yejin wrote:
Ok.

You guys don't know him so I have to do it.

ToaD is known here as a "fanboy". Well, first of all his nickname was chosen to copy ToD indeed, as this guy has no personnality.

Then, ToaD decided to become the #1 fan of SK-Gaming. He went on the SK-Shop and bought all the gears from SK. Then he took pictures of him watching WC3 games online wearing all his SK shirts and playing on SK mousepads with SK mouse.

Then he decided he would tour with SK. He went to tournaments with them and got autographs of the Korean players. He even had a news on SK-Gaming for his commitment and a nice video of him meeting Lyn and Soju and asking for autographs (Koreans were like wtf Ok ?!!). After that very emotional phase, when he called himself SK.ToaD, he decided to change clothe and went to myMYM. He bought all the MYM gears and did the same their ! Yep, true.

He never was part of aAa, he never was in any pro-team.

Now it seems that he's in Korea, I'm just amazed by this guy, seriously.

On February 21 2009 09:06 Xeris wrote:
Here's what I posted:
" LOL, is this some kind of joke? Seriously with an organization like Frag Dominant I expected a lot more. This really shows complete and utter ignorance by the management. Either that, or this Toad guy has completely fooled you. - First off, Toad is a really terrible player. - Secondly, you can't just go to Korea and start "training with other professionals". Korean pro-teams are closed houses where only other pro gamers and practice partners can play. There's no way a complete no name player will get the chance to practice with REAL pro gamers. - Thirdly, what "2009 pro circuit"? There is no such thing. The only professional leagues in Korea are OSL, MSL, GOM events, and other special invitational events along with Pro League. These events aren't open to random no names. This seemed like too much of a joke to be true when I heard about it, but then I actually saw this news and saw that it was serious. I'm shocked that such a professional organization wouldn't actually do any research into the Starcraft community to see the truth when considering investing in this game. There are thousands of other players more deserving than this Toad. There is an entire non Korean Starcraft community out there that is well established with leagues and major tournaments. Of those, only a handful of players are even good enough to compete with Koreans, only three active players (IdrA, NonY, and Draco) have been in Korea as real pro gamers, and only one (IdrA) is still there. This is a total joke and I just lost any respect I had for this organization, and I'm sure I speak for hundreds of other real Starcraft fans out there when I say this is a complete travesty. I just registered here to post my disgust. Thanks for listening."

- http://www.fragdominant.com/news/40/

Team Liquid please join me in totally trashing these idiots

On February 21 2009 15:36 Puosu wrote:
I doubt the guy himself is thinking about becoming a Pro-Gamer, more like he saw the chance and abused them so he could get himself a free trip to Korea.

On February 21 2009 15:57 Ziph wrote:
http://chat.fragdominant.com/ = IRC Link ;_;

On February 21 2009 16:25 Tibs wrote:
What I posted:

I went to Korea in 2006 out of free will and out of my expense. I played in two courage events which requires you to fight you were out of multiple group phase trials when I was there, as of now its a consistent amount of 1v1 matches until everyone is eliminated and its a bo1 series. Im a B/B+ Zerg 1v1 player, and I hardly get to play today since Im married and have a baby girl now, but I didnt have what it took to do it. It requires you dedicate a minimum of 12 hours (preferably 16 hours) of a day playing and going over replays of those games you lost and notating what you did wrong, what could have been done differently, and what can be done for future reference. You're on a strict schedule even for physical endurance working out on a daily basis. The team travels together to all events, eats, sleeps, plays together. And honestly from never hearing of this person he wont accommodate to those factors for one. I have played Starcraft for 9 years now, I have seen this scene fall and rise, and to be honest, I have never heard of this player anywhere, not as a promoter, team supporter, and certainly not a player. If you as a company paid for him to compete, sad to say you have wasted your money, effort but most of all time on an individual who doesnt have the skills to compete. Warcraft 3 and Starcraft are two entirely different RTS titles. Both require different level of knowledge, and skill. Warcraft 3 was made for players who truly didnt have what Starcraft required, and there again, Warcraft 3 was a failed title until DOTA came out. So honestly Im sorry. Please dont disregard what other individuals say about this situation. There is going to be alot of anger and upset individuals because they know what it takes to get there as a pro, and when they see a player who has knows nothing and has absolutely none of the required skills to make it as a pro, let alone win a Courage tournament to receive your pro license, they will say alot spiteful words and harsh sentences.

On February 20 2009 22:06 Shiva_Chandra wrote:
To be fair though, it's obvious his micro is close to godly.
http://www.iccup.com/details/1210872.html
51 units killed, 0 units lost.

probably the best protoss player in the world imo.

On February 21 2009 19:43 Puosu wrote:
"Vice President" Jon has made a lengthy answer on the thread concerning this on FD forums, worth a read.

http://www.fragdominant.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=4464

He isn't a proper person to "scout" for skilled players though when he is bad as hell himself and is showing to be an idiot by abusing iCCup in the most idiotic manner ever, besides why would a skilled korean join FD instead of becoming a practice partner for a KeSPa licensed pro-team?

I guess blaming FD for it is not the right thing to do though, they just didn't have the information they needed.

I understand everyone has their own opinion, but carrying on the way #1 and #2 did was highly uncalled for. Simply ask a question and wait for a response; there is no need to insult others.

Yes, I happened to catch that post early yesterday on Team Liquid; I also had a chance to watch the video up on Starcraft For All.

As I'm sure many if not the entire Starcraft community should know, Frag Dominant has no past experience within the scene. We have had no teams, no fans, and no members from our department following the game. With the New Year rapidly approaching, the FD management sat down months back and discussed a potential new market to pursue in 2009; that being the ever popular Starcarft and it's to be released version, Starcraft 2.

Now, the main question that everyone has been asking, "why are we supporting certain people within the organization?"

We were approached by Pierre-Jean, also known as ToaD, who was very interested in beginning his journey to become a professional Starcraft player. He was scheduled to leave his home in France to attend University in Korea, where he would receive the perfect chance to practice his skills and mingle with the right people.

Now, what you probably didn't know is that ToaD was also going to be our eyes and ears over in Korea; where his job was to scout young talented players who we could possibly build a team around. A team that had potential to travel the globe while representing us and our sponsors along the way.

Is Pierre the next up and coming Starcraft player?
Only time will tell. But allowing him to make an appearance at an offline event to at least try isn't the end of the world, as many here have made it out to be.

Will Frag Dominant be supporting the Starcraft community like first planed?
Good chances are no, we won't. Many people including those behind the article on Team Liquid and the video of Starcraft For All could have easily bypassed this weeks "hot topic."

If the community as DREAM-JOY has said is hurt by our actions, then a simple request for an interview could have answered everything I just listed. I would have rather enjoyed watching that video or reading that article which stated possible hints related to Frag Dominant expanding into Korea, and ToaD was going to help pick our players.

Providing our brand with a tainted image isn't something that was necessary, and frankly was highly uncalled for.

But this wasn't a wall of text to provide shame upon those a part of the published pieces, but merely to tell our side of the story.


Thanks to those who took the time to read this over,

FD Management

On February 21 2009 21:20 Sinedd wrote:
hmm ... he is D+ on ICCUP , and he is in Korea ? ... Now thats a bummer

but maybe he will be good someday

On February 21 2009 21:24 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:


Correction: He abused to D+ on ICCUP and is in Korea.

On February 21 2009 21:28 JudgeMathis wrote:
I understand that some of you Starcraft elitist are angry, but when you flame on another site representing Teamliquid.net you're not doing the website any favors. You're giving Teamliquid a bad rep, especially since many people will flock to Teamliquid when SC2 comes out.

edit: Stop being dramatic over something so dumb.

On February 21 2009 21:33 Phrogs! wrote:


thank god to the people presenting reasonable arguements on the FD forums

On February 21 2009 21:33 Phrogs! wrote:


thank god to the people presenting reasonable arguements on the FD forums

edit: abusers are so hated in the SC community and the flame is almost reasonable, but shouldn't be directed at FD at this point seeing as they haven't made a response about the abuse as far as I've seen

On February 21 2009 21:36 JudgeMathis wrote:


? Sorry, I only read teamliquid.net forum. :-D

On February 21 2009 21:37 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:


That's a response in itself, to me. Not responding to multiple points that "Hey, this guy abuses" is a sign.

On February 21 2009 21:47 axel wrote:


Hes a fucking dishonest and egoistic idiot. First of all , he sucks balls, he sucks so much that he need to abuse to be d+ , and also , believing having a 15-0 d+ win ratio at iccup looks good is even more sucking balls thing.. He could have let his place to somebody better. WHat he s doing is nearly a thief , he steals som1 deserving to go to korea possibility and he also robs the sponsor who think hes good... and also he's suposed to recuit "new sc talent" for this team..what a morron , its like asking a D- player to solve complaints A/A+ on iccup. His game vision is so crappy that whatever he will decide/ do it will be bad.

On February 21 2009 22:53 Chanted wrote:
Give the poor guy a rest here. I know if I got the opportunity to do something like this, I would go for it, even if im "only" D+. This is between him and his sponsors/team. They knew what skill level he was at, and they still recruited him due to avaiability, since he is allready in Korea. To say that he stole someone elses chance to go to Korea is just pure stupidity. If you want to jump that wagon, Nony "stole" someone elses chance as well, but I would love to see you try to bash on him..

Maybe he isnt the most skilled player, but if they think Starcraft 2, he might be good there. He has tons of dedication and courage it looks like, so who knows, he might be a really good sc2 player, allthough I dont think he will accomplish much as a foreigner in Korea, but nobody has accomplished anything major there for the last 3-5 years anyways..

who is going to pwn the world with Protoss?
who is going to pwn the korean starcraft pro-gamer scene after february?
who is going to pwn YOU and YOUR ASS pussies?

it's him
the only one
the master of disaster
PIERRE-JEAN ORGUES
ToaD

On February 21 2009 21:30 Rekrul wrote:
lol i love his reply

being in korea will allow him to improve and mingle with the right crowds

YEAH ATTEND UNIVERSITY IN KOREA AND UR FUCKIN IN WITH THE PROGAMERS AND ULL GET IN THE LEAGUES

LOL!

ahahahah

On February 21 2009 22:53 Chanted wrote:
Give the poor guy a rest here. I know if I got the opportunity to do something like this, I would go for it, even if im "only" D+. This is between him and his sponsors/team. They knew what skill level he was at, and they still recruited him due to avaiability, since he is allready in Korea. To say that he stole someone elses chance to go to Korea is just pure stupidity. If you want to jump that wagon, Nony "stole" someone elses chance as well, but I would love to see you try to bash on him..

Maybe he isnt the most skilled player, but if they think Starcraft 2, he might be good there. He has tons of dedication and courage it looks like, so who knows, he might be a really good sc2 player, allthough I dont think he will accomplish much as a foreigner in Korea, but nobody has accomplished anything major there for the last 3-5 years anyways..

On February 21 2009 21:50 DREAM-JOY wrote:


Oh irony, how I love you so.

On February 21 2009 22:53 Chanted wrote:
Give the poor guy a rest here. I know if I got the opportunity to do something like this, I would go for it, even if im "only" D+. This is between him and his sponsors/team. They knew what skill level he was at, and they still recruited him due to avaiability, since he is allready in Korea. To say that he stole someone elses chance to go to Korea is just pure stupidity. If you want to jump that wagon, Nony "stole" someone elses chance as well, but I would love to see you try to bash on him..

Maybe he isnt the most skilled player, but if they think Starcraft 2, he might be good there. He has tons of dedication and courage it looks like, so who knows, he might be a really good sc2 player, allthough I dont think he will accomplish much as a foreigner in Korea, but nobody has accomplished anything major there for the last 3-5 years anyways..

On February 22 2009 01:00 kemoryan wrote:
Wow, so much hate against this guy saying there are others who deserve it more. Hey, it's a freaking contract between this gaming company and him, it's not like a public charity or something where a rich guy gets paid instead of a poor guy. Or, did Idra deserve the progaming license more than any of those koreans who spend 12 hrs a day in a clan house? So don't talk about dedication or courage, this has nothing to do with that, it's just being in the right place in the right time. The most you can do is blame FD for being ignorant about the scene and the player itself.

I mean, what if FD or w/e came to you and payed you for staying in Korea and mingle with "the right people". Would you say: "No, I'm just D+ there are others who deserve it more!!"?

Time will tell whether it's all a big fail (most probably) or something interesting comes out, but there's no reason to feel so offended...

Or, did Idra deserve the progaming license more than any of those koreans who spend 12 hrs a day in a clan house?

On February 22 2009 01:14 HeavOnEarth wrote:


Uh.. yes i would say that? And if i didn't; I would be fine with expect other people to call me out for being a bitch..?
There's a HUGE reason to feel offended some trash player comes up and takes what should belong to people who've actually worked.
You present a rational, yet ignorant argument. at least TRY to play SC competitively and you will easily see why it's such a big deal.

What do u know about Idra ? You his friend? you know everything about him right? , do you have any clue of what he sacrificed? Me neither, and likewise with you. (granted , it was indirectly through a metaphor), but don't talk shit about him? jesus

On February 22 2009 06:39 CapO wrote:
i feel bad for his gf.

On February 22 2009 07:23 StRyKeR wrote:
ToaD for next bonjwa

On February 22 2009 07:36 StRyKeR wrote:
I think we got our message heard by Frag fairly well

any more flaming / cursing beyond this point is frankly unnecessary

On February 22 2009 07:48 Schnake wrote:


Yes, they should be pretty much aware of the whole situation by now by reading their own thread http://fragdominant.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=4464 and the various gaming sites (SCforall, TL).

who is going to pwn the world with Protoss?
who is going to pwn the korean starcraft pro-gamer scene after february?
who is going to pwn YOU and YOUR ASS pussies?

it's him
the only one
the master of disaster
PIERRE-JEAN ORGUES
ToaD

On February 22 2009 00:59 closed wrote:
I think he is supposed to be a talent scout.Unfortunately, some idiots though that they might make him a progamer.
As I understand it, they will pay him some relatively cheap money to search for SC (or rather SC2) talents. Personally I believe he might fail.
But on the other hand - you bash the guy; he fucking sucks at starcraft, but he is smart enough to abuse his way to D+! Maybe he will be able to abuse some idiotic 12 year old kroean to join "frag dominant". I think that's their plan
Of course they also think that someone who never achieved anything (LOL D+ rank) can become great quickly. I dont think he can even get the B rank... and progamers are above A rank easily..

On February 22 2009 07:41 liger13 wrote:

+1

On February 22 2009 08:46 haz wrote:
no he was never a top wc3 player, i've never even heard of him hes just a fanboy

edit: Guys stop flaming so much theres no need at all and you're giving starcraft players a bad reputation, you might even put them off investing in starcraft/starcraft 2 all together which will only hurt eSports imo if you don't tone it down

On February 22 2009 09:17 joN wrote:
Hello,

I appreciate you taking the time to apologize on behalf of the community, but this market isn't one we will be pursuing in the future.

Take e-STRO for example, say they went out and tried to give a new player a shot, while at the same time work for the company and help promote in different areas of gaming; if that should ever happen, I highly doubt any community member would judge their decision to do so, just many upset because they were not chosen themselves.

Us however, we receive nothing but hate mail, letters from community members trash talking because we are new to the scene. Not the best way to welcome a large organization in to help build and support players across the world.

We thought Counter-Strike fans were tough, but Starcraft takes it to that extra level.

ToaD will also be released as his work is no longer needed.

Thanks anyways for the kind words, we'll be sticking to the North American and European scene from now on.

On February 22 2009 01:13 PaeZ wrote:


Thats because Nony didnt steal anything from anyone, he won a tournament and EARN his spot, so your comparison is stupid.

We cannot give this guy nor the organization a rest cause this is stupidity and ignorance at its best.

On February 22 2009 08:46 haz wrote:
no he was never a top wc3 player, i've never even heard of him hes just a fanboy

edit: Guys stop flaming so much theres no need at all and you're giving starcraft players a bad reputation, you might even put them off investing in starcraft/starcraft 2 all together which will only hurt eSports imo if you don't tone it down

On February 22 2009 09:17 DREAM-JOY wrote:
From a PM joN sent.

A D+ skill leveled player can have the same knowledge in the community as the very best; no different then the average fan base in any game.

On February 22 2009 10:36 Ry-Masta-T wrote:
I really don't get why everyone has so much rage about this. Calm the fuck down.

On February 22 2009 09:17 DREAM-JOY wrote:
From a PM joN sent.



CLIFFNOTES: French D+ becomse sponsored player, TL gets upset, TL members act like douchebags, French player ToaD is released, FragDominant won't touch sc again.

At least ToaD won't be representing foreigners, but now FD have no interest in sc gaming.

I think the bm can stop now?

On February 22 2009 11:23 semioldguy wrote:
To make a comparison:

Xeris... I'd like you to travel the US and scout some basketball players so that I can maybe build up a team to compete with teams like the Celtics and Lakers. My baking company will sponsor you for your efforts.

I expect to receive positive feedback from the pro-basketball fans and broadcasting networks like ESPN and such. I also think you are a good choice since I think I one time remebered that you are a fan of basketball. I am placing trust that you'd know what your doing because I'm not really that into basketball and didn't take a lot of effort learning anything new about it before deciding to offer this position to you.

On February 22 2009 12:28 StRyKeR wrote:
After I realized how badly we flamed Frag, I'm disappointed by how TL members reacted to the whole situation. Come on guys :\ TL is our bastion, so I didn't have a problem with ppl ranting here, but honestly, too many ppl went out of their way to TOTALLY shit on their forums. Thanks to DREAM-JOY for at least trying to put it in a civil context.

If someone came into TL and started talking shit about Nony, I'm pretty sure we'd insta-ban his ass. Of course, we'd probably think "wtf nony is awesome" but that's probably how they think about sponsoring Toad. Sure, we think they're retarded, but they must have had some reasons. Also, their replies on their forums were VERY civil and understanding. I wonder if TL would react similarly.

Now, on the topic of convincing them not to sponsor this person because it would be bad for esports and Starcraft -- was shitting on their forum really the best way? What if someone came and shit on our forums all the time. There's always the option to step up the flame (which we're so good at) if they don't seem to respond in kind.

To be clear: I don't agree with what they're doing. I think sending out ToaD was a bad decision. It just reeks of a pure publicity stunt. The very least they could have done is just say that ToaD was a scout to begin with, or show some evidence of knowing what they're doing by admitting that ToaD hasn't been proven to be a good player.

On February 22 2009 10:50 floor exercise wrote:

Honestly I think a lot of koreaphiles are jealous of the french kid I think. Honestly who cares if he calls himself a pro starcraft player on this awful multigaming teams dime

On February 22 2009 13:07 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:



Or could it be the fact that this could have been a successful and legitimate foray into the StarCraft scene by a well-sponsored, well-recognized team but instead they decided to do it while trying to put absolutely no effort into it and made a mockery of not only everyone who aspires to maybe make it to the positions that IdrA or NonY have made it to, but also to any single person who takes this game seriously and has integrity about it?

On February 22 2009 14:15 floor exercise wrote:


Frag Dominant did not send anyone to Korea nor were they planning to. The extent of their involvement was creating a "starcraft" section on their roster and adding the french kids name. They don't know anything about the starcraft scene and don't care. They don't want a successful and legitimate foray into the starcraft scene because the foreign starcraft scene is not profitable, period.

Some crazy french kid comes to them and says "hey look im in korea and I got 15-0 record iccup (pros play there!) let me start your sc division" and since it came at no cost and they have an interest in making a sc2 division since it actually makes financial sense, they said sure yeah whatever. The kid is essentially a fraud and their multigaming team is poorly run like most. It's all pretty lol worthy that they showed that much ignorance towards how pro starcraft works.

But what's funnier is people taking so much offense to it. Should they have come to you personally and asked your permission to do this or something?

Flaming them and taking personal offense over this while pretending you are somehow preserving the sanctity of professional starcraft is absurd. Go outside.

Who knows what kind of saddles-like humor could have stemmed from this, but you guys got all self righteous over starcraft at the perceived slight of a multigaming team not seeking your blessing before adding a starcraft roster. Given that they didn't send him to korea, they have done little more than start a shitty SC clan basically.

It's funny that this guy flew to korea and thinks he's going to accomplish anything. It is not an attack on your video game integrity or whatever you are going on about.

Also the people flaming them on their forums makes the SC community look like a bunch of idiots

On February 22 2009 17:33 AttackZerg wrote:
floor exercise,

Go away. You act like they weren't stupid. Large companys should protect their imagine by making informed decisions. If they don't they get burnt and they did. Now instead of sponsering a fraud they are sponsering nobody. Eitherway they wouldn't have stuck around long term since they started off getting fucked in the first place.

Damned if you do it badly and doubled damned if you get caught doing it badly.

On February 23 2009 03:11 Hypnosis wrote:
I dont know guys I heard D+ was the new C+!

On February 20 2009 23:50 iD.NicKy wrote:
I talked to him a bit and ..
This guy is stuying in korea, he has some contacts in korea like ToD, he was in SK for w3. Fragdominant went to him, he didn't ask for anything so don't be too harsh with him.

On February 22 2009 14:15 floor exercise wrote:


Frag Dominant did not send anyone to Korea nor were they planning to. The extent of their involvement was creating a "starcraft" section on their roster and adding the french kids name. They don't know anything about the starcraft scene and don't care. They don't want a successful and legitimate foray into the starcraft scene because the foreign starcraft scene is not profitable, period.

Some crazy french kid comes to them and says "hey look im in korea and I got 15-0 record iccup (pros play there!) let me start your sc division" and since it came at no cost and they have an interest in making a sc2 division since it actually makes financial sense, they said sure yeah whatever. The kid is essentially a fraud and their multigaming team is poorly run like most. It's all pretty lol worthy that they showed that much ignorance towards how pro starcraft works.

But what's funnier is people taking so much offense to it. Should they have come to you personally and asked your permission to do this or something?

Flaming them and taking personal offense over this while pretending you are somehow preserving the sanctity of professional starcraft is absurd. Go outside.

Who knows what kind of saddles-like humor could have stemmed from this, but you guys got all self righteous over starcraft at the perceived slight of a multigaming team not seeking your blessing before adding a starcraft roster. Given that they didn't send him to korea, they have done little more than start a shitty SC clan basically.

It's funny that this guy flew to korea and thinks he's going to accomplish anything. It is not an attack on your video game integrity or whatever you are going on about.

Also the people flaming them on their forums makes the SC community look like a bunch of idiots

On February 23 2009 04:48 Chill wrote:
FD also asked how much it would cost to rebrand and rename Teamliquid.net to something FD related. We opened the discussion at $1M, but that wasn't recieved well :X

On February 23 2009 04:48 Chill wrote:
FD also asked how much it would cost to rebrand and rename Teamliquid.net to something FD related. We opened the discussion at $1M, but that wasn't recieved well :X

On February 21 2009 00:09 Empyrean wrote:
Oh God.

On February 23 2009 09:21 VIB wrote:
You guys are giving too much importance to the flames. This is the fucking internet, it's not SC fans who flame or TL members who flames. Everyone flames mindlessly, equally. They did some big shit, they get flamed. That will never change no matter what sport or what community you're treating.

That should be expected and they should taken that into consideration. If FD really gave up on SC because random internet people flamed them (which I doubt is the true reason), then it's only their fault for being stupid. Not our community's fault. But they most likely gave up once they got a better look of the big picture and realized they would need a much bigger investment then simply putting some random french fraud name in their website.

Like many people already pointed out. Many big multi-game teams already expanded into SC successfully (fnatic, mym, mtw..) simply because they did it right. FD failed because they suck, that is only their own fault and no one else's. The flaming from random internet users is part of the whole deal and by now they should have very well learned how to deal with it.

On February 23 2009 09:52 StRyKeR wrote:


You can flame if you want, just don't associate your flame with TL, as Mani pointed out