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Trozz
Canada3456 Posts
Here's a ZvT. Terran glitches his workers. They can one-shot lings. ![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/protrozz/sc-1.jpg) Terran does unusual stuff at his base. ![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/protrozz/sc-2.jpg) SCVs move out. ![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/protrozz/sc-3.jpg) They attack while keeping stacked. ![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/protrozz/sc-4.jpg) This is about half a second after the previous image. When he stacks workers, they deal a lot of damage. How do I fight this? ;; | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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petzergling
538 Posts
I feel because of this that discussing counters is kind of irrelivant | ||
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
On January 25 2009 11:20 Osmoses wrote: By not playing against hackers. This happened to me a few times and I was terribly confused, but then it turns out to be a hack, and when you lose against a hack, you don't lose at all. its not a hack, its a glitch its actually not that hard to fight it He can't control the scvs, so all u gotta do is run your lings around cause they're on Comp AI, which auto targets everything but miners. He might restack them and attack ur hatch, but that's all he can do | ||
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Trozz
Canada3456 Posts
Thanks for the info imBLIND. I'll try drones next time. And to petzergling, this was an iccup game. Antihack was on... T-T | ||
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
On January 25 2009 11:25 Trozz wrote: So that's how it works? Thanks for the info imBLIND. I'll try drones next time. And to petzergling, this was an iccup game. Antihack was on... T-T It's illegal on iCCup, so you should get the win for it. To do the trick, you clump your workers up tightly using the minerals, hold shift and right click on an empty gas geyser a couple times quickly, then while still holding shift give an attack move command towards the enemy. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
Only way I can see it being illegal is if theres a hack to keep them stacked the whole time.. otherwise, why not ban any muta stackers? | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
- Next time you catch him doing that: avoid the workers with your lings, chase marines as the scvs need to be on gather mode to stack. So dont face workers with lings wait for the sunkens, and use stacked drones youself, the attacker cant use scvs effectively on sunkens as they spread once the he switches to attack move. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
Bugs/tricks in game: Allowed to use: — Plague on interceptor — Units pressed through — drops to defuse mines — Mineral walk — Manner Pylon — Lurker hold position Not allowed to use: — Flying drones and templars — Terran sliding buildings — A bug which allows your units to remain stacked while moving/attacking — Allied mines — Intentional dropping lurker and SCV — defined by referee — Observer Over turret — «Gas walk» to get through blocked entrances or ramps (Incredibly common bug, using a shift click on has near opponent’s blocked entrance to slide through any possible unit or building wall.) | ||
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Sonu
Canada577 Posts
On January 25 2009 11:33 Skyze wrote: its illegal on iccup? Ive never heard of that.. proof? Only way I can see it being illegal is if theres a hack to keep them stacked the whole time.. otherwise, why not ban any muta stackers? Its not really a bug. Its an easter egg. I mean when this first came out, July put his muts witha larvae.... i mean who the hell would want to do that? it was considered weird. but its not a bug. besides the direct counter to that would be irradiate | ||
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GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
What does this mean? | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
Not an easter egg either  | ||
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
On January 25 2009 11:50 Sonu wrote: Its not really a bug. Its an easter egg. I mean when this first came out, July put his muts witha larvae.... i mean who the hell would want to do that? it was considered weird. but its not a bug. besides the direct counter to that would be irradiate I'd consider it more as a bug. When you put larvae or overlord or whatever with mutas, the mutas behave like you'd expect to according to the magical box principle. The principles holds for all units and there are no occasions where it doesn't behave as you'd expect. Stacking workers using gas though is not something that you'd expect and I highly doubt it's intentional on blizzard's part The bug is related to the behaviour where a computer's workers will remain stacked while attacking if provoked by your own worker attacking them. I don't think human players were supposed to be able to do the same thing with their own workers. | ||
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hunter3
United States155 Posts
1. It takes his workers time to get to you, so you should have more than he does. If the distance is large enough and you have 50% more workers than he does, you can win in a straight fight. 2. The worker stack specializes against immobile targets, so don't use build defensive structures. 3. The absolute worst thing you can do is stack on minerals. He'll destroy every worker within seconds. Again, DO NOT STACK ON MINERALS. 4. The stack targets one unit at any given time. As soon as you realize what he's after, send that unit across the map. 5. The most powerful worker stacks use vision to queue up attack commands on your workers, so deny his scout any vision, or at least harass it. 6. He can queue up to eight attack-unit or attack move commands. He can also cancel the current attack command and move on to the next unit in the queue without losing the stack. Keep your units on the move until he runs out of commands, then attack when they spread out. 7. He's dependent on the gas for stacking. If he moves towards the gas, attack. Once he reaches it, run. Deny him access to an easy gas. 8. Time is against him. Just keep running, mining, picking off stray SCVs, and teching. He has at most two guys mining at home, and will lose if you stay alive. 9. Workers will always suck against attack units. As soon as you have one zealot or six glings, it's over for him. Run any targeted unit while the rest of your workers attack him. 10. If he gets tired of targeting your running workers and goes for your buildings, immediately stack yourself and attack the SCVs! They are extremely vulnerable when attacking buildings, and must get all the way to a gas to restack. | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
Don't even fight against it, it's a waste of time to play against someone like that. | ||
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
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beyond.wudge
Australia58 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17743 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On January 25 2009 11:56 GhostKorean wrote: "— Intentional dropping lurker and SCV — defined by referee" What does this mean? also what is plague on interceptors? | ||
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
On January 25 2009 11:56 GhostKorean wrote: "— Intentional dropping lurker and SCV — defined by referee" What does this mean? there's a glitch where when you something else and drop one of those the game crashes | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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JohnBall
Brazil1272 Posts
there's a glitch where when you something else and drop one of those the game crashes whut? | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
the best way to counter is to not directly engage. try to mess up the scv ai - after he stacks them and attack moves them to your base, he can't issue any more commands or else they'll spread out again. the same happens if they switch targets too much or stray too far from the pack, so just move lings in and out of scv range to confuse them. even if all the scvs don't completely unstack, it buys you lots of time to make more units and you can still pick off the strays. if you've successfully unstacked his scvs, consider taking your own gas so that he can't restack them. if you lose on iccup, just report the game and you'll get a win anyway. | ||
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cyronc
218 Posts
vulture mines have no button set, thus are not ment to be commanded stuff after being burrowed, they are plain ai units much like scarabs (just imagine allied scarab trouble lol), while a high apm player could emulate the hold-lurkers effect by using permanently stop-lurker, which is a command u can give the lurker via his normal button interface, thus the holdlurker glitch just makes stuff easier to do like mutastacking, while allied mines and worker-stacking-attack-move-across-the-map adds new behaviour which cant be emulated by 'normal' button commands at all.. hope that makes clear why some things are 'useful glitches' and others are considered 'illegal bugs'... | ||
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stack
Canada348 Posts
think its just like the canceling hatch bug, where if you rally a morphing hatch then cancel it and the drone dies, then the game crashes. Thats intentional dropping. | ||
Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
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rekluce
United States51 Posts
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