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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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isbunk
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Boblion
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Puosu
7081 Posts
On January 14 2009 22:52 GinNtoniC wrote: Out of those 14 wins, you played almost every game on Lost Temple (2.4 though). That's a decent way to avoid modern maps and use outdated builds  Not trying to troll this one, I'm just saying there's a limit to how much you can judge about the game not changing, if you're only gonna play on really old maps. Nevertheless, good first run after being away for so long (not knowing the quality of your opponents though). Almost none of the games actually went to macro game at all, he won purely because micro hasn't changed much since then. When he starts meeting players with the ability to block early game rushes he will get crushed badly thanks to the lack of macro from his part. | ||
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JoeSaddles
United States344 Posts
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Lamentations
Australia211 Posts
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JoeSaddles
United States344 Posts
On January 14 2009 22:57 Puosu wrote: Almost none of the games actually went to macro game at all, he won purely because micro hasn't changed much since then. When he starts meeting players with the ability to block early game rushes he will get crushed badly thanks to the lack of macro from his part. did you ever stop and think as to why the strategies I was using even worked in the first place???? It's because I have much better micro and macro than the person im playing, and I just impose that advantage on them as early as possible in the game... I KNOW that when I get to playing some sick B Koreans I will have to play a more conservative style..... once I get to playing some real competition then obviously im not gonna win every game simply by out microing them early on, Im well aware of this... I can play 40 minute games.... ive played good competition before. | ||
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isbunk
Sweden1017 Posts
On January 14 2009 23:05 JoeSaddles wrote: did you ever stop and think as to why the strategies I was using even worked in the first place???? It's because I have better overall micro and macro skills than the person im playing, and I just impose that advantage on them as early as possible in the game... I KNOW that when I get to playing some sick B Koreans I will have to play a more conservative style..... that's why I crush these newb D+ C- within 8 minutes..... I simply get a probe in their base and its pretty much over frmo there =p once I get to playing some real competition then obviously im not gonna win every game simply by out microing them early on, Im well aware of this... I can play 40 minute games.... ive played good competition before. i love u joe, i hope u do well, i really do, gonna follow this thread all the way! u should play idra now, and then play him when u feel ready, it'll be pretty fun to see ur developement | ||
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Puosu
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On January 14 2009 23:05 JoeSaddles wrote: did you ever stop and think as to why the strategies I was using even worked in the first place???? It's because I have better overall micro and macro skills than the person im playing, and I just impose that advantage on them as early as possible in the game... I KNOW that when I get to playing some sick B Koreans I will have to play a more conservative style..... that's why I crush these newb D+ C- within 8 minutes..... I simply get a probe in their base and its pretty much over frmo there =p once I get to playing some real competition then obviously im not gonna win every game simply by out microing them early on, Im well aware of this... I can play 40 minute games.... ive played good competition before. You really don't understand how much macro and timing has evolved during these years, even the average players study and practice timings so much its sick. The true macro element of the game does not really come to play until the game is longer than 15 minutes, or at least from there on it starts to really be the main thing. I doubt that the 2004 macro of yours can compete at nowadays standards. I'm going to owe you a big apologize if you actually succeed in your mission, that would be very very very impressive and even more if you win a game from IdrA when you're ready to play him. | ||
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JoeSaddles
United States344 Posts
[QUOTE]On January 14 2009 22:57 Puosu wrote: [QUOTE]On January 14 2009 22:52 GinNtoniC wrote: Out of those 14 wins, you played almost every game on Lost Temple (2.4 though). That's a decent way to avoid modern maps and use outdated builds Not trying to troll this one, I'm just saying there's a limit to how much you can judge about the game not changing, if you're only gonna play on really old maps. Nevertheless, good first run after being away for so long (not knowing the quality of your opponents though).[/QUOTE] Almost none of the games actually went to macro game at all, he won purely because micro hasn't changed much since then. When he starts meeting players with the ability to block early game rushes he will get crushed badly thanks to the lack of macro from his part.[/QUOTE] whats funny is that you actually think me beating everyone i play within 8 minutes a bad thing, when really it just shows that vs these level of players I can just say "im gonna rush u every game and theres nothing u can do against it" because they just cant keep up with early game micro/macro... the only matchup I can't do it in is PvT, no real way to rush that early. in PvP and PvZ it's very easy to overpower someone who is far less skill level than you, doesnt even matter what build or strategy they use, thats why all my games with them are under 8 mins... | ||
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Puosu
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it shows that your early game skills/strategies still work today very well, but I'm saying that your record of 14-2 or w/e it was is not a proof of real skills at all, the early game rushes stop working regularly as soon as you start playing even a bit better players. I wonder what you mean by there being no ways to rush in PvT though, most of the protoss I play as terran on ICCup do variations of the many early game timing rushes. Its almost hard to find someone not doing any of these according to my experience at least. edit: hehe I wonder what happened to the quote there, so messed up!  | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Puosu
7081 Posts
On January 14 2009 23:21 Shikyo wrote: Of course you can beat every bad Zerg by 2-gating every game (on LT?). But it stops working at one point, it's like a giant brick wall. And people playing LT and the likes are generally pretty bad compared to ones playing Destination and such. A lot of sick Koreans play the new maps. This too, almost no good players play Lost Temple any more. For challenge go play the current Courage League maps (Medusa, Colosseum and Destination), thats where the actual competition is at. If you feel like its not fair that you have to play on those maps that you're not familiar with you could wait until tomorrow as the new MSL maps will be released as then nobody will have the advantage of knowing the map better. | ||
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asel
Germany1605 Posts
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humblegar
Norway883 Posts
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eX-Corgh
Russian Federation386 Posts
When will you fight IdrA? | ||
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Quanticfograw
United States2053 Posts
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T.Sqd)LillTT
Lithuania149 Posts
On January 14 2009 22:11 JoeSaddles wrote: ok so I started out 4-6. note that these were my first 10 games in the last few YEARS..... and i started reading comments about how people thought I would never get past C ROFL!!!! after those 10 games i started to get the hang of things again, and im IMPROVING every game i play.... I'm 14-2 in my last 16 games, these D+ and c- players are honestly no challenge................ most of my games with them are under 6-7 mins because they are so bad with basic micro/macro skills. keep in mind this is just my FIRST NIGHT back, my hands still feel like rocks compared to what they used to feel like, I'm sure I wont regain everything until at least a few weeks of playing... but when you easily get to C- on my first night playing in 3 years has the competition really improved all that much OUTSIDE of Korea as you guys say? in a few days Ill be B ranked.... SaddleS on Iccup... And I'll be quite impressed if you do pass C with less then 45 games played. Im not trying to troll, but lets face it, I AM A COMPLETE NOOB who plays 30 games in half a year or so, sometimes more, I played random this season and got to C without too much trouble and got to C- with 17-2 both losses due to me being random T and geting a P opponent. You constantly bring up the micro/macro issue and yes lower rank players really struggle with it, but believe me when you'll hit C or even in late C- you will be outmicroed and outmacroed. Unless you play a lot of games against currently best US players who are your friends. Don't overestimate yourself, couse under current standarts to me you are on noobie level. Sorry if it was insulting, but It's just my opinion. Bu still good luck, since it's always nice to see some old faces coming back to the game. | ||
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