• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 21:02
CET 03:02
KST 11:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? [D] Hacker peak in sc2 ? Liquibets sc2 season 30 Evil Geniuses - shutting down Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win
Tourneys
SC4ALL: II Venue Change Announcement! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps Starcraft 2 Advance [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles Mutation # 548 Shining Bright
Brood War
General
[Megathread] Daily Funny Videos BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Rollback Netcode in Brood War SC4ALL: II Venue Change Announcement! Ziemie's Starcraft 1 Prequel Campaign
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Deus Ex 3!? Mobile Legends: Bang Bang
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck? Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11542 users

Nony in korea... NICE. - Page 5

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 18 19 20 Next All
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7699 Posts
January 13 2009 22:25 GMT
#81
Like I said, you aren't a member of the community and your saying ignorant things, do some reading so that you don't sound stupid. In 2004 testie was a sick gamer also, your facts suck.
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
January 13 2009 22:27 GMT
#82
I recommend you click TLPD on the right and look at a couple of recent games to get an idea of how play has changed...Your thread on PvZ exemplifies how outdated you are.
JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
January 13 2009 22:28 GMT
#83
On January 14 2009 07:25 Dealer wrote:
Slayer was the top foreigner for every day that he played this game seriously (he was also the best player in the world for a decent part of this duration).
After him i'd say Saft was the best foreigner, much closer to judge though and some people like Nazgul, Daaman etc was definately close.
After them i'd have to give it to Testie/Mondi/Draco.

You mentioned 2 of them, and the only other player in your list that could ever claim to have been among the top3 foreigners is Smuft.

A hint that might enlighten you is that the good foreigners never even bothered to enter US east.


smuft, draco, daaman, and testie I never went worse than 50-50 with, and I played them all at least 5 times.... really doubt it's gotten THAT much better over 4 years.

http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
Dealer
Profile Joined January 2003
Sweden1368 Posts
January 13 2009 22:28 GMT
#84
PvP and PvZ would both be matchups that Testie didn't practice unless i completely missed it, he certainly didnt play them in serious matches so you offracing doesnt mean much when he does the same.

h e l l o e
hazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom570 Posts
January 13 2009 22:30 GMT
#85
what an elitist prick
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7699 Posts
January 13 2009 22:30 GMT
#86
On January 14 2009 07:28 JoeSaddles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2009 07:25 Dealer wrote:
Slayer was the top foreigner for every day that he played this game seriously (he was also the best player in the world for a decent part of this duration).
After him i'd say Saft was the best foreigner, much closer to judge though and some people like Nazgul, Daaman etc was definately close.
After them i'd have to give it to Testie/Mondi/Draco.

You mentioned 2 of them, and the only other player in your list that could ever claim to have been among the top3 foreigners is Smuft.

A hint that might enlighten you is that the good foreigners never even bothered to enter US east.


smuft, draco, daaman, and testie I never went worse than 50-50 with, and I played them all at least 5 times.... really doubt it's gotten THAT much better over 4 years.




I can prove this point really easily.

Find out what iccup is, log on. type /m get.attackzerg and I'll show you how play has changed. We can even play the outdated (terrible) maps that know.
Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
January 13 2009 22:30 GMT
#87
On January 14 2009 07:25 JoeSaddles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2009 07:22 Resonance wrote:
On January 14 2009 07:05 JoeSaddles wrote:
I've beaten Testie, Draco, Froz, Infinity, fk.timothy, fisheye, legionnaire, zealotito, eriador, midian, rekrul, wisdom, hovz, sadist, nyoken, day, fayth, smuft, corbalt, pride, white-ra, and hellghost to name a few out of the MANY.... ive played more foreigners than you could even list...


in what year? like 2004? dude, if you compared how they played back then to now, they would be below average players. The game has evolved so much since then.

Your wins mean nothing in today's game dude. But you don't need to listen to me, get on iccup (the main starcraft competitive ladder), and see how good people are.



ill do that tonight


Alrighty then. Tell us what you think.

btw AttackZerg is 100% right.
Dealer
Profile Joined January 2003
Sweden1368 Posts
January 13 2009 22:31 GMT
#88
On January 14 2009 07:28 JoeSaddles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2009 07:25 Dealer wrote:
Slayer was the top foreigner for every day that he played this game seriously (he was also the best player in the world for a decent part of this duration).
After him i'd say Saft was the best foreigner, much closer to judge though and some people like Nazgul, Daaman etc was definately close.
After them i'd have to give it to Testie/Mondi/Draco.

You mentioned 2 of them, and the only other player in your list that could ever claim to have been among the top3 foreigners is Smuft.

A hint that might enlighten you is that the good foreigners never even bothered to enter US east.


smuft, draco, daaman, and testie I never went worse than 50-50 with, and I played them all at least 5 times.... really doubt it's gotten THAT much better over 4 years.



Strange that you never even got on the US team then as we walked over you and i dare say that none of the players on the team would score 50% against Smuft/Daaman in 01/02, in 03/04 when draco/testie got very good, no american would.
h e l l o e
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26004 Posts
January 13 2009 22:32 GMT
#89
You're in for a rude awakening. Please post your replay pack from ICCup. I predict we never hear back from you but I'd love to be proven wrong.
Moderator
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
January 13 2009 22:36 GMT
#90
Man I used to LOVE watched testie replays and reading Battle Reports of Testie. He got me motivated to stop playing UMS and Money maps.
Hi.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
January 13 2009 22:36 GMT
#91
Regardless of your veteran status, it's clear that you're clueless to the way things are today.
JoeSaddles
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States344 Posts
January 13 2009 22:37 GMT
#92
On January 14 2009 07:32 Chill wrote:
You're in for a rude awakening. Please post your replay pack from ICCup. I predict we never hear back from you but I'd love to be proven wrong.


Good job blindly posting something like this when you have no idea of my level of skill or handspeed. A lot of people can understand the game and what builds you need to use, very few have the actual speed to be able to turn that knowledge into WINS against other good players. I'll gladly try iccup as well, thanks for blindly doubting me!!!
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/SaddleS.html
dream-_-
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1857 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-13 22:39:36
January 13 2009 22:37 GMT
#93
talk about taking credit for something completely out of your hands ;p

Seriously though, nooks and nero kicked ass, I never really knew saddles too well, always seemed a bit cocky.

edit - if nooks returned to bw I would too
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
January 13 2009 22:38 GMT
#94
On January 14 2009 07:37 JoeSaddles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2009 07:32 Chill wrote:
You're in for a rude awakening. Please post your replay pack from ICCup. I predict we never hear back from you but I'd love to be proven wrong.


Good job blindly posting something like this when you have no idea of my level of skill or handspeed. A lot of people can understand the game and what builds you need to use, very few have the actual speed to be able to turn that knowledge into WINS against other good players. I'll gladly try iccup as well, thanks for blindly doubting me!!!

Tell us your account name when you make it, please!
ModeratorGood content always wins.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
January 13 2009 22:38 GMT
#95
On January 14 2009 07:37 JoeSaddles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2009 07:32 Chill wrote:
You're in for a rude awakening. Please post your replay pack from ICCup. I predict we never hear back from you but I'd love to be proven wrong.


Good job blindly posting something like this when you have no idea of my level of skill or handspeed. A lot of people can understand the game and what builds you need to use, very few have the actual speed to be able to turn that knowledge into WINS against other good players. I'll gladly try iccup as well, thanks for blindly doubting me!!!

But your knowledge is outdated.

That's our point.
Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
January 13 2009 22:39 GMT
#96
On January 14 2009 07:37 JoeSaddles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2009 07:32 Chill wrote:
You're in for a rude awakening. Please post your replay pack from ICCup. I predict we never hear back from you but I'd love to be proven wrong.


Good job blindly posting something like this when you have no idea of my level of skill or handspeed. A lot of people can understand the game and what builds you need to use, very few have the actual speed to be able to turn that knowledge into WINS against other good players. I'll gladly try iccup as well, thanks for blindly doubting me!!!


rofl do you realize who you are talking to?

now this is just getting ridiculous.
Jaskwith
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States197 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-13 22:47:18
January 13 2009 22:39 GMT
#97
On January 14 2009 05:07 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2009 04:56 JoeSaddles wrote:
On January 14 2009 02:34 KingofHearts wrote:
testie could have gone pro ... too bad too bad..



he sucked unless he had his hacks on..... didn't he lose most offline matches he went to? the 6 or 7 times I played him i won at least 50-50.... I think he was over rated

You are terribly fucking wrong.

He was a hacker before he become the international force that was testie. When he was young he didn't do well, as he got older he did great.

Good job on beating him, I fortunately got to observe him and replays of him against every good player in 2003-2004 when he spent some time helping me. Testie is up there with mondi and draco and grrrr... He is also one of the select few non koreans to beat pro gamers in tournament play...

Just because your back doesn't mean you can post like this man....

(P.S testie posts here , don't make an inactive canadian come beat you down )


lolll
sMi.jaSK
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4540 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-13 22:41:45
January 13 2009 22:40 GMT
#98
I remember SaddleS. was kind of a newb back in the day, nothing special. Just like NookS that he mentioned. Compareably to let's say, average LighT members nowadays. But of course the skill level got much better so now hes prolly c- at best.
Team Liquid
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26004 Posts
January 13 2009 22:40 GMT
#99
On January 14 2009 07:37 JoeSaddles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2009 07:32 Chill wrote:
You're in for a rude awakening. Please post your replay pack from ICCup. I predict we never hear back from you but I'd love to be proven wrong.


Good job blindly posting something like this when you have no idea of my level of skill or handspeed. A lot of people can understand the game and what builds you need to use, very few have the actual speed to be able to turn that knowledge into WINS against other good players. I'll gladly try iccup as well, thanks for blindly doubting me!!!

You realize I've played you back in your "glory days" and you are significantly overstating your skill level at that time. Regardless, I believe you will not do well as you have no understanding of the current strategies. More importantly, the importance of mechanics has shifted to a level you won't be used to: Micro is a lot cleaner and efficient and macro is quite a bit more important than back in the day. You will beat low level players who aren't used to your older style, but once you get anywhere in the middle skill level it will all come crashing down.
Moderator
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
January 13 2009 22:42 GMT
#100
This argument would be best solved with a prop bet and a live stream, zulu_nation style
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 18 19 20 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
09:00
FSL season 12 opener: HM vs ST
Freeedom69
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 8325
NaDa 32
Dota 2
PGG 230
League of Legends
Doublelift5577
JimRising 741
Counter-Strike
taco 402
Other Games
summit1g9901
Day[9].tv806
PiGStarcraft325
XaKoH 294
C9.Mang0279
Maynarde112
NeuroSwarm67
ViBE51
Fuzer 47
KnowMe17
trigger6
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick616
Counter-Strike
PGL85
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 77
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2572
Other Games
• Scarra913
• Day9tv806
• imaqtpie763
Upcoming Events
IntoTheTV X SOOP
8h 58m
Reynor vs Solar
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs MaxPax
herO vs Rogue
IPSL
14h 58m
WorsT vs nOmaD
Dewalt vs andersOn
AI Arena Tournament
16h 58m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d 8h
IPSL
1d 14h
Azhi_Dahaki vs ggnore13
Double vs WIZARD
Replay Cast
1d 20h
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
YoungYakov vs Lambo
SHIN vs TBD
Percival vs Shameless
Solar vs TBD
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
5 days
KCM Race Survival
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-05
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

Sector 951
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.