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baronsb
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States33 Posts
January 14 2009 07:16 GMT
#361
well he definately has progamer shuttle/reaver micro...
PM me if you go to Stonybrook and are interested in playing CSL+3!
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
January 14 2009 07:21 GMT
#362
On January 14 2009 16:08 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2009 16:06 Jyvblamo wrote:
Hey hey now, even a progamer got manner-forged recently in the proleague.


theory;

pokju = saddles
bisu = kwark?!??!

i think it was against young on neo req :D
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
January 14 2009 07:28 GMT
#363
ahh this thread is pretty fun. But yea I remember saddles from back in the day he was pretty good dont think he had winnign recs against all the top non kors at the time but I wouldn't know. Wheres testie at hes the one who remembers his rec vs anyone at any time period
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
January 14 2009 07:34 GMT
#364
On January 14 2009 16:06 Jyvblamo wrote:
Hey hey now, even a progamer got manner-forged recently in the proleague.


Really? I know that Kal was manner pyloned multiple times recently, but who was manner forged?
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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
January 14 2009 07:35 GMT
#365
rei is almost as bad as saddles. He beat decent players but you're not naming names and no reps are getting put up of it? He hasn't beaten anyone decent.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-14 07:46:10
January 14 2009 07:39 GMT
#366
On January 14 2009 14:19 CaucasianAsian wrote:
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On January 14 2009 14:01 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
I don't see the big deal here if when he left testiecwas a hacker it must have been a huge shock to learn he was a top foreinor. It would proly be like coming back in 5 years and finding out last shadow or even combat-ex became a highly respected top foreinor. Although I don't know the personality of testis when he was a hacker...


I agree with this so much. Seems to me all of the young bloods who are newer to the scene, who don't even know of NookS, NerO, Saddles, JulloPud, are questioning him if he is even good at starcraft. There was a debate maybe a year ago, about if a top tier foreigner could beat a progamer from the 2001-2002 ages. And it was eventually decided that the answer is no, the skill level hasn't changed that much, there's just a lot more people who have been able to get onto that amazing level.

As much as people want to say, Starcraft really hasn't changed that much. There was still 2 factory pushes, there was fast expansions, the game really hasn't changed much. Sure there is a vast amount of new players, newer pros, but that doesn't mean that the top tier players from a few years earlier haven't just been surpassed insanely. They just lose a lot of interest.

In the time of Saddles and NerO, they were considered some of the top players in the United States. Everyone who competed competitively, even in 2005 knew of these players. During the time of Saddles, the top Canadian player was Fayth, and Testie was some UsEast hacker. I'm guessing this is when Saddles left the scene.

If he left at that time, don't go jump on a bandwagon saying he is a fool, just because Testie was a great player a year or two ago. I remember hearing stories of a preliminary match in 2004 when Testie showed up to WCG LAN and had his keyboard unplugged from a computer and just spammed his hotkeys while waiting for a game. He ended up winning the match, and everyone was surprised because he was a known hacker. Much like Dino beating iNControl this year in WCG Regionals.

Do I think Saddles is a great player? I know he used to, if he practiced a lot and got back into his old condition, I believe he could reclaim being one of the best in the United States within a month.


your memory differs from mine.

Saddles was never known outside of North America, and there were plenty of North American players back then who were better than saddles. Saddles was as much a 'top player in USA' as i was a top player in Canada. (actually, i'm gonna let my own ego get in the way here and say i was closer to being a top player in Canada. )

And Testie was always better than Fayth. So was Veg, Xiaozi, hell even Vasmos could have been better than Fayth!

Back in 2004 the Canadian players to go to WCG grand finals were Testie, Veg, and Grrr.... Of all the players in the tournament, Testie was the only player to take a game off of a korean (outside of the group stage).

In 2004, Testie had proved he was a good offline player, if not top 5 foreigners.

Saddles must have left the scene before then, or has a memory as distorted as yours.

edit - reminiscing.... what happened to Pride! anyone know how he's doing?
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43581 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-14 07:51:16
January 14 2009 07:42 GMT
#367
Mannered him again game 2.

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This really is all his units like 4 minutes in. I really don't know how. He went for a 1 gate no core opening and stuck with it. :S

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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
January 14 2009 07:44 GMT
#368
looooooooooooooool
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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
January 14 2009 07:47 GMT
#369
On January 14 2009 16:35 Divinek wrote:
rei is almost as bad as saddles. He beat decent players but you're not naming names and no reps are getting put up of it? He hasn't beaten anyone decent.


i'm bad because i don't feed you guys materials to flame?
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
January 14 2009 07:51 GMT
#370
On January 14 2009 16:47 rei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2009 16:35 Divinek wrote:
rei is almost as bad as saddles. He beat decent players but you're not naming names and no reps are getting put up of it? He hasn't beaten anyone decent.


i'm bad because i don't feed you guys materials to flame?

i thought this was pretty funny:
On January 14 2009 15:48 rei wrote:
lol he just beat a B/B- in pvp, again not naming anyone

when you got the colors and winner/loser confused haha

i bet you were super excited
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-14 07:52:41
January 14 2009 07:52 GMT
#371
On January 14 2009 16:47 rei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2009 16:35 Divinek wrote:
rei is almost as bad as saddles. He beat decent players but you're not naming names and no reps are getting put up of it? He hasn't beaten anyone decent.


i'm bad because i don't feed you guys materials to flame?

the b- was getting the colors wrong in the kwark game anyhow, no?

edit: fucken hotbid
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43581 Posts
January 14 2009 07:54 GMT
#372
I kind of resent being called a B- anyway. The gap between B- and B+ is pretty huge.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
January 14 2009 07:55 GMT
#373
ya it was pretty funny
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7465 Posts
January 14 2009 07:59 GMT
#374
On January 14 2009 16:54 Kwark wrote:
I kind of resent being called a B- anyway. The gap between B- and B+ is pretty huge.



Hehe, are you either yet this season . I just hit C+ at 74% and I'm scared as fuck of the next 3 hours =(.
BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
January 14 2009 08:00 GMT
#375
On January 14 2009 16:54 Kwark wrote:
I kind of resent being called a B- anyway. The gap between B- and B+ is pretty huge.


is it really?.. that seems pretty crazy haha, but i guess it's believable since ladders do get harder and harder the further up you go.

i read ever post in this thread and enjoyed every moment of it, especially towards the end when we got to see game results and screenshots hahaha ;]
WHAT'S HAPPENIN
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7465 Posts
January 14 2009 08:01 GMT
#376
b- and b+ are comparable to c- and b- imo
Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-14 08:07:09
January 14 2009 08:03 GMT
#377
On January 14 2009 07:09 Dealer wrote:
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On January 14 2009 07:05 JoeSaddles wrote:
I've beaten Testie, Draco, Froz, Infinity, fk.timothy, fisheye, legionnaire, zealotito, eriador, midian, rekrul, wisdom, hovz, sadist, nyoken, day, fayth, smuft, corbalt, pride, white-ra, and hellghost to name a few out of the MANY.... ive played more foreigners than you could even list...


Is that a joke? When i used to play seriously i considered a maximum of 3 to be very good, some decent and some not even a challenge.
Unlike you i dont have losing records against more then 1 or 2 on that list.


you considered a maximum of 3 of these players to be very good?

hmm...

Let's take a look at these players:
Testie: consistently best player in Canada from 2003-2008
Draco: top 3 in Poland since 2004
Froz: #1 USA for 4 years?
Infinity: top 3 in Germany for 4 years? (could be debatable, Germany had lots of fantastic players)
Timothy: top 5 in Canada consistently since 2004. Maybe even top 3
Fisheye: Germany's most consistent player (could be argued between mondi/fisheye)
Legionnaire: One of the 4? foreigners to go to korea and play professionally for several years.
Zealotito: Spains #1 player for 2-3 years.
Eriador: #1 in Norway since 2003 top 3 in Norway since always.
Midian: UK's best player since 2002
Rekrul: Top 3 USA since 2003
Wisdom: Top 3 USA from 2001-2003 (debatable)
HovZ: Ok.
Sadist: Ok.
Nyoken: Ok.
Day: top 3 USA since 2003
Fayth: top 3 in Canada during 2005 (and maybe 2006?)
Corbalt: The highest rated foreigner on Game-i (i think?)
Pride: Top 5 in Canada for 2-4 years.
White-Ra: Top 3 in Ukraine for 4 years.
Hellghost: #1 in Brazil for 4 years.

Dealer, you were a decent player, but stop talking out of your ass. Most of these players were amazing (for foreigners). The exceptions would be the USA players he mentions - but would that really be a surprise being that he's American? (and to be fair, HovZ's TvP was really good. Sadist's TvT was one of the best outside of korea at one point. Nyoken's TvZ was good.) Wouldn't you list Jesse, Kenka, Delicato, etc, among 'top players' in sweden?
Happiness only real when shared.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
January 14 2009 08:04 GMT
#378
On January 14 2009 16:47 rei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2009 16:35 Divinek wrote:
rei is almost as bad as saddles. He beat decent players but you're not naming names and no reps are getting put up of it? He hasn't beaten anyone decent.


i'm bad because i don't feed you guys materials to flame?


Materials to flame. Proof. Whatever you want to call it.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27159 Posts
January 14 2009 08:06 GMT
#379
I got reps of me beating Mora.

Manifesto <--- top 5 Canadian player ez.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43581 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-14 08:08:26
January 14 2009 08:06 GMT
#380
Battle report for you guys, including my build order which I rate highly effective.

8 pylon. Scout.

11 pylon.
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12 pylon.
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On 14/33 Nexus.
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5 minutes in this remains unscouted and he's opting for a 1 base, 1 gate observer rush.
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8 minutes in he finally gets goon range
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He was still on one base at this point.
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I fully endorse this build order against any highly skilled, excellent mechanical Protoss player.
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