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JoeSaddles
United States344 Posts
After I saw the interview with him at the airport in Korea there was only one thing on my mind.............. BECOMING A PRO-GAMER. So I figure if my disciple Nony can make it, I might have a pretty good chance, I'll be buying a new copy tonight and getting back into shape, especially with sc2 on the horizon as well. congratulations to Nony my protoss student for sticking with it and getting really really good obviously, dream come true to actually be there in Korea playing in big time games. | ||
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
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GTR
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JoeSaddles
United States344 Posts
after seeing him actually touch down in Korea though it seems that the disciple has truly surpassed the master =(. I didn't know the community was still so strong for BW ... I'm very glad to see it's still going strong after so many years. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
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isbunk
Sweden1017 Posts
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misclick
Korea (South)155 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Oakhill ? edit: sry i thought it was a joke  | ||
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JoeSaddles
United States344 Posts
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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CapO
United States1615 Posts
On January 14 2009 01:57 kidd wrote: haha you seriously taught nony how to play this game??? | ||
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
Him, NookS, and NerO are responsible for NonY's rise. ^^ | ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11584 Posts
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KingofHearts
Japan562 Posts
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
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jhNz
Germany2762 Posts
On January 14 2009 02:47 LordWeird wrote: He's in Korea showing all the ladies his 'manner pylon'. >_> lol :X | ||
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Future_sc
United States783 Posts
On January 14 2009 02:30 CaucasianAsian wrote: god, its been so long since i've heard of nooks, nero, and saddles. as well as jellopud. ah gotta love the old schoolers.  | ||
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
So old school I have no idea who they are D: | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
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gm.tOSS
Germany898 Posts
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On January 14 2009 02:27 ZZangDreamjOy wrote: haha SaddleS is back. Him, NookS, and NerO are responsible for NonY's rise. ^^ on man I havent seen NerO in aaaaaaaaaaaages! TT Saddles I'm sorry I havent the slighest clue who you are (but the oldtimers do so that's cool!) but welcome back! It's great to have an old face back in the family | ||
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leMaj24
United States262 Posts
whats up man!!! umm i wouldnt say nero taught nony anything, nooks and saddles taught nony and then i got to learn from all 3 of them! | ||
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hazz
United Kingdom570 Posts
On January 14 2009 03:46 Zoler wrote: I'm so new, who is Saddles? t.t | ||
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Murk
Canada304 Posts
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JoeSaddles
United States344 Posts
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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JoeSaddles
United States344 Posts
On January 14 2009 04:00 leMaj24 wrote: JOETOOMUCH!!! whats up man!!! umm i wouldnt say nero taught nony anything, nooks and saddles taught nony and then i got to learn from all 3 of them! yo jamel !! long time since we played man u wanna play practice games tonight PvP ?? | ||
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JoeSaddles
United States344 Posts
On January 14 2009 02:34 KingofHearts wrote: testie could have gone pro ... too bad too bad.. he sucked unless he had his hacks on..... didn't he lose most offline matches he went to? the 6 or 7 times I played him i won at least 50-50.... I think he was over rated | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On January 14 2009 04:56 JoeSaddles wrote: he sucked unless he had his hacks on..... didn't he lose most offline matches he went to? the 6 or 7 times I played him i won at least 50-50.... I think he was over rated You are terribly fucking wrong. He was a hacker before he become the international force that was testie. When he was young he didn't do well, as he got older he did great. Good job on beating him, I fortunately got to observe him and replays of him against every good player in 2003-2004 when he spent some time helping me. Testie is up there with mondi and draco and grrrr... He is also one of the select few non koreans to beat pro gamers in tournament play... Just because your back doesn't mean you can post like this man.... (P.S testie posts here , don't make an inactive canadian come beat you down  ) | ||
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
Old school what? Never heard of the names | ||
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Puosu
6990 Posts
On January 14 2009 04:56 JoeSaddles wrote: he sucked unless he had his hacks on..... didn't he lose most offline matches he went to? the 6 or 7 times I played him i won at least 50-50.... I think he was over rated haha you've missed so much, Testie is a very respected player nowadays even if he had a .. a bit dark past. Testie pretty much redeemed himself by starting to play legit at some point and proving himself at multiple events and even getting invites from CJ to go to Korea, too bad he got sucked into dota and lost interest as well. :/ The reincarnation of Testie (or 10 times worse..) is LastShadow, quick search should net you a few laughs if you're interested at all. | ||
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JoeSaddles
United States344 Posts
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JoeSaddles
United States344 Posts
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
On January 14 2009 05:19 JoeSaddles wrote: I don't see how any brood war player would turn down going to Korea for free to play BW... doubt he really got invited to go there. I could name more players then testie who did just that (not commentating on testies case though). | ||
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Zeller
United States1109 Posts
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
On January 14 2009 05:22 Zeller wrote: Testie was the best foreigner at one point. He was invited to a pro team but didn't take it. reason? O_o It would really be strange not to even at least to try out being in korea | ||
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JoeSaddles
United States344 Posts
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NuB.xE
United States131 Posts
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
On January 14 2009 05:33 JoeSaddles wrote: If he was really the best foreigner at one point then he must have gotten a lot better since the times I played him.... it's nice that you've come back to cheer on nony, but there's clearly a several year gap where you've no clew what the fuck happened in the foreigner scene edit: i'm not trying to imply that testie was ever the best, either | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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hymn
Bulgaria832 Posts
On January 14 2009 05:16 JoeSaddles wrote: If he was so good then why didn't he go pro? Maybe he is like Mondragon. I mean a year ago Mondragon was top5 out of Korea ez-pz and still he never wanted to go to Korea to be a progamer. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On January 14 2009 05:33 Racenilatr wrote: reason? O_o It would really be strange not to even at least to try out being in korea Because being in the B team isn't really fun and you aren't well paid + you to paractise so hard that you must really love the game. Testie probably didn't like it anymore when he got the invite. | ||
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JoeSaddles
United States344 Posts
On January 14 2009 05:51 CTStalker wrote: it's nice that you've come back to cheer on nony, but there's clearly a several year gap where you've no clew what the fuck happened in the foreigner scene Really I think the foreigner scene has gone nowhere but down if Testie became the best ....... A lot of good players must have quit | ||
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pheer
5391 Posts
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Quanticfograw
United States2053 Posts
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hazz
United Kingdom570 Posts
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JudgeMathis
Cuba1286 Posts
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On January 14 2009 05:32 Archaic wrote: I feel all of us new TL members are missing out of some SC foreigner scene legacy... tl.net has a really really rich history. Try looking at the oldest news threads, and the oldest live report threads. They're pretty cool. | ||
cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
On January 14 2009 05:57 JoeSaddles wrote: Really I think the foreigner scene has gone nowhere but down if Testie became the best ....... A lot of good players must have quit -.- Some of your comments are a little ridiculous man, I completely agreed w/AttackZerg's post. If I were you, I would do some reading first before you start saying how the foreigner scene has "gone nowhere", because there are a lot of foreigner fans on TL and some of your ignorant comments might really annoy some people. Yes a lot of players quit but so many more joined, there are so many good starcraft players in the foreigner scene. | ||
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
I'd say Testie was probably closer to the good koreans then any foreigner is now. | ||
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Pengu1n
United States552 Posts
On January 14 2009 05:33 JoeSaddles wrote: If he was really the best foreigner at one point then he must have gotten a lot better since the times I played him.... Starcraft has evolved so much from the days where you played. Any comments you have about who is/was good are meaningless now. Everybody who stuck with the game has become so much better. Its pointless at this time to judge players who you've played with years ago based on their skill level back then. | ||
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
On January 14 2009 06:27 cgrinker wrote: Sounds like its time for a History of Foreign Starcraft Final Edit. That'd be quite epic. I'd love it. | ||
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Elvin_vn
Vietnam2038 Posts
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gm.tOSS
Germany898 Posts
On January 14 2009 05:57 JoeSaddles wrote: Really I think the foreigner scene has gone nowhere but down if Testie became the best ....... A lot of good players must have quit That calls for Liquibition! | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On January 14 2009 06:48 nevake wrote: Welcome back. Yea, you missed a lot with Testie. There was a point where he was going around to every LAN available and beating everyone's ass in. There was almost no doubt that he was the best at one point (and no everyone didn't suck). The foreigner scene has gone far, it's just that the koreans keep pulling further ahead unfortunately. There was always doubt and some other contenders around. Yes he was a top player for a long time, but was he ever the best foreigner? One can doubt it, since he has never dominated major tournaments. | ||
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
On January 14 2009 06:59 Maenander wrote: There was always doubt and some other contenders around. Yes he was a top player for a long time, but was he ever the best foreigner? One can doubt it, since he has never dominated major tournaments. No foreigner ever did. | ||
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JoeSaddles
United States344 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
By dominating major tournaments I mean winning tournaments without koreans or doing considerably better than other foreigners at WCG or other tournaments with koreans. Grrr... Elky and Draco(PGL) did that. | ||
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:06 Dealer wrote: Elky never won a big foreigner tournament. He was second at WCG, that´s just as good (apart from being OSL semifinalist). There was little doubt about him being the best foreigner back then. | ||
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:05 JoeSaddles wrote: I've beaten Testie, Draco, Froz, Infinity, fk.timothy, fisheye, legionnaire, zealotito, eriador, midian, rekrul, wisdom, hovz, sadist, nyoken, day, fayth, smuft, corbalt, pride, white-ra, and hellghost to name a few out of the MANY.... ive played more foreigners than you could even list... Is that a joke? When i used to play seriously i considered a maximum of 3 to be very good, some decent and some not even a challenge. Unlike you i dont have losing records against more then 1 or 2 on that list. | ||
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Proposal
United States1310 Posts
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:08 Maenander wrote: He was second at WCG, that´s just as good (apart from being OSL semifinalist). There was little doubt about him being the best foreigner back then. Elky was never the best foreigner. What he did in WCG was certainly impressive, but there were still some foreigners that he would lose to. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:11 Dealer wrote: Elky was never the best foreigner. What he did in WCG was certainly impressive, but there were still some foreigners that he would lose to. So what? Boxer lost to Nazgul, Didi and Froz, he was still the best at that time. You can argue against that all night, I made my point clear. | ||
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JoeSaddles
United States344 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:09 Dealer wrote: Is that a joke? When i used to play seriously i considered a maximum of 3 to be very good, some decent and some not even a challenge. Unlike you i dont have losing records against more then 1 or 2 on that list. aka?!? and honestly I don't believe the competition today is nearly as good as it was back then, most of the very good players quit when they turned 18 and went on to other things... so you really think Nony is A LOT better than every player on that list?? or maybe he was just one of the few oldschool players that stuck with the game and he became the #1 active usa player... | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:05 JoeSaddles wrote: I've beaten Testie, Draco, Froz, Infinity, fk.timothy, fisheye, legionnaire, zealotito, eriador, midian, rekrul, wisdom, hovz, sadist, nyoken, day, fayth, smuft, corbalt, pride, white-ra, and hellghost to name a few out of the MANY.... ive played more foreigners than you could even list... You have played alot of good players and although you don't know me, I know your name from being in the community since 2002. You know nothing about non-korean starcraft. Listing hovz,sadist,day,fayth,corbalt,pride,rekrul,midian and eriador as a response to playing with top non-koreans is fucking rediculous. They were each good players at a certain time, and for a while rekrul was fucking sick, but get real dude non of them were ever at the top of the food chain. Don't rejoin a community (if thats what your doing) after all these years and think you have any clue about who is what or was what or did what. You don't know shit about our world until you educate yourself. All I was saying is drop the ignorant shit, testie redeemed himself long ago. The dude is fucking random and played a ZvP against foru that was 40 minutes long and he could have won. I mean you are talking about a guy who literally sat at the top few spots of the non-korean rung for at least 3 years. If you were ever a truely amazing gamer, the newer members of the community would have heard of you, but they haven't so chill out. GO NONY! | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:15 JoeSaddles wrote: aka?!? and honestly I don't believe the competition today is nearly as good as it was back then, most of the very good players quit when they turned 18 and went on to other things... so you really think Nony is A LOT better than every player on that list?? or maybe he was just one of the few oldschool players that stuck with the game and he became the #1 active usa player... No player on this earth who played in 2004 or 2005 is as good as even the top non-koreans are right now.... dude this game is fucking sick now once you get beyond B level on iccup. I mean sick sick sick, like the average good gamer from 2004 after they learned that everything they new was wrong or done wrong and relearned all of those things would still have to achieve more technical skill then even the players who made them look rediculous back then. | ||
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
I think some of the players on the list would be better then Nony had they continued to play, 12-13 of those you mentioned weren't even near the top foreigners in THEIR prime so i see no reason why the would be better/more talented then a player who clearly has the dedication and intellect to be among the best foreigners. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:05 JoeSaddles wrote: I've beaten Testie, Draco, Froz, Infinity, fk.timothy, fisheye, legionnaire, zealotito, eriador, midian, rekrul, wisdom, hovz, sadist, nyoken, day, fayth, smuft, corbalt, pride, white-ra, and hellghost to name a few out of the MANY.... ive played more foreigners than you could even list... in what year? like 2004? dude, if you compared how they played back then to now, they would be below average players. The game has evolved so much since then. Your wins mean nothing in today's game dude. But you don't need to listen to me, get on iccup (the main starcraft competitive ladder), and see how good people are. | ||
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JoeSaddles
United States344 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:15 AttackZerg wrote: You have played alot of good players and although you don't know me, I know your name from being in the community since 2002. You know nothing about non-korean starcraft. Listing hovz,sadist,day,fayth,corbalt,pride,rekrul,midian and eriador as a response to playing with top non-koreans is fucking rediculous. They were each good players at a certain time, and for a while rekrul was fucking sick, but get real dude non of them were ever at the top of the food chain. Don't rejoin a community (if thats what your doing) after all these years and think you have any clue about who is what or was what or did what. You don't know shit about our world until you educate yourself. All I was saying is drop the ignorant shit, testie redeemed himself long ago. The dude is fucking random and played a ZvP against foru that was 40 minutes long and he could have won. I mean you are talking about a guy who literally sat at the top few spots of the non-korean rung for at least 3 years. If you were ever a truely amazing gamer, the newer members of the community would have heard of you, but they haven't so chill out. GO NONY! the only thing I said is that when I played Testie in 03 or 04 he was nothing more than a former hacker who never won offline....who always for some reason had a big reputation... I guess he got a lot better after that but when I played him I was beating him with 3 gate zealot rush in PvP... and beating him again another game i remember with me as ZERG vs him protoss... so how can you expect me to think that TESTIE happened to be the person who rose to the top after playing those games with him where I was winning with cheese strats and offraces? and I watched nooks beat him time after time and even win a bo5 for 50$ once 3-0.... back then he wasn't nearly as good to be considered #1 foreigner but I guess he got better. | ||
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
After him i'd say Saft was the best foreigner, much closer to judge though and some people like Nazgul, Daaman etc was definately close. After them i'd have to give it to Testie/Mondi/Draco. You mentioned 2 of them, and the only other player in your list that could ever claim to have been among the top3 foreigners is Smuft. A hint that might enlighten you is that the good foreigners never even bothered to enter US east. | ||
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JoeSaddles
United States344 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:22 Resonance wrote: in what year? like 2004? dude, if you compared how they played back then to now, they would be below average players. The game has evolved so much since then. Your wins mean nothing in today's game dude. But you don't need to listen to me, get on iccup (the main starcraft competitive ladder), and see how good people are. ill do that tonight | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
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JoeSaddles
United States344 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:25 Dealer wrote: Slayer was the top foreigner for every day that he played this game seriously (he was also the best player in the world for a decent part of this duration). After him i'd say Saft was the best foreigner, much closer to judge though and some people like Nazgul, Daaman etc was definately close. After them i'd have to give it to Testie/Mondi/Draco. You mentioned 2 of them, and the only other player in your list that could ever claim to have been among the top3 foreigners is Smuft. A hint that might enlighten you is that the good foreigners never even bothered to enter US east. smuft, draco, daaman, and testie I never went worse than 50-50 with, and I played them all at least 5 times.... really doubt it's gotten THAT much better over 4 years. | ||
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
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hazz
United Kingdom570 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:28 JoeSaddles wrote: smuft, draco, daaman, and testie I never went worse than 50-50 with, and I played them all at least 5 times.... really doubt it's gotten THAT much better over 4 years. I can prove this point really easily. Find out what iccup is, log on. type /m get.attackzerg and I'll show you how play has changed. We can even play the outdated (terrible) maps that know. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
Alrighty then. Tell us what you think. btw AttackZerg is 100% right. | ||
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:28 JoeSaddles wrote: smuft, draco, daaman, and testie I never went worse than 50-50 with, and I played them all at least 5 times.... really doubt it's gotten THAT much better over 4 years. Strange that you never even got on the US team then as we walked over you and i dare say that none of the players on the team would score 50% against Smuft/Daaman in 01/02, in 03/04 when draco/testie got very good, no american would. | ||
Chill
Calgary25987 Posts
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
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JoeSaddles
United States344 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:32 Chill wrote: You're in for a rude awakening. Please post your replay pack from ICCup. I predict we never hear back from you but I'd love to be proven wrong. Good job blindly posting something like this when you have no idea of my level of skill or handspeed. A lot of people can understand the game and what builds you need to use, very few have the actual speed to be able to turn that knowledge into WINS against other good players. I'll gladly try iccup as well, thanks for blindly doubting me!!! | ||
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dream-_-
United States1857 Posts
Seriously though, nooks and nero kicked ass, I never really knew saddles too well, always seemed a bit cocky. edit - if nooks returned to bw I would too | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:37 JoeSaddles wrote: Good job blindly posting something like this when you have no idea of my level of skill or handspeed. A lot of people can understand the game and what builds you need to use, very few have the actual speed to be able to turn that knowledge into WINS against other good players. I'll gladly try iccup as well, thanks for blindly doubting me!!! Tell us your account name when you make it, please! | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:37 JoeSaddles wrote: Good job blindly posting something like this when you have no idea of my level of skill or handspeed. A lot of people can understand the game and what builds you need to use, very few have the actual speed to be able to turn that knowledge into WINS against other good players. I'll gladly try iccup as well, thanks for blindly doubting me!!! But your knowledge is outdated. That's our point. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:37 JoeSaddles wrote: Good job blindly posting something like this when you have no idea of my level of skill or handspeed. A lot of people can understand the game and what builds you need to use, very few have the actual speed to be able to turn that knowledge into WINS against other good players. I'll gladly try iccup as well, thanks for blindly doubting me!!! rofl do you realize who you are talking to? now this is just getting ridiculous. | ||
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Jaskwith
United States197 Posts
On January 14 2009 05:07 AttackZerg wrote: You are terribly fucking wrong. He was a hacker before he become the international force that was testie. When he was young he didn't do well, as he got older he did great. Good job on beating him, I fortunately got to observe him and replays of him against every good player in 2003-2004 when he spent some time helping me. Testie is up there with mondi and draco and grrrr... He is also one of the select few non koreans to beat pro gamers in tournament play... Just because your back doesn't mean you can post like this man.... (P.S testie posts here , don't make an inactive canadian come beat you down )lolll | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25987 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:37 JoeSaddles wrote: Good job blindly posting something like this when you have no idea of my level of skill or handspeed. A lot of people can understand the game and what builds you need to use, very few have the actual speed to be able to turn that knowledge into WINS against other good players. I'll gladly try iccup as well, thanks for blindly doubting me!!! You realize I've played you back in your "glory days" and you are significantly overstating your skill level at that time. Regardless, I believe you will not do well as you have no understanding of the current strategies. More importantly, the importance of mechanics has shifted to a level you won't be used to: Micro is a lot cleaner and efficient and macro is quite a bit more important than back in the day. You will beat low level players who aren't used to your older style, but once you get anywhere in the middle skill level it will all come crashing down. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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Chanted
Norway1001 Posts
Please post your iccup name, I am interested to see how persons who have been gone for a long time can keep up with the current players | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
And even with his T and Z he could beat most of the good foreigners. Please post your iccup replays ( i'm serious. I just want to see oldschool playing vs newschool ). I think you just wake up "late". My D+ today would have been something like > C around 2003 i guess. So > B+ players today would rape any player of your era. | ||
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littlechava
United States7221 Posts
I didn't like the way AttackZerg put it in his post at the time, but now I see he's clearly right. SaddleS really has no idea how things have changed and how far they've came in the years he's been inactive. Testie was definitely top 5 foreigners for at least a few years, and the current skill level on ICC is wayyyy above what it used to be. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
lol | ||
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Chill
Calgary25987 Posts
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
The discussion in this thread is pointless. We are talking about 2 different worlds -- Starcraft from 4-5 years ago, and starcraft now. It's like saying, I was Mohammed Ali in last life, I think I'm gonna go train for the heavyweight title in this life. Testie was bad then <-> Testie is extremely good now. You were ok then <-> You very likely suck ass now. You taught Nony the basics <-> Nony is 50X better now than you ever was (and very likely will stay.) Why is it so hard to understand that everything in this word changes with time? | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:42 heyoka wrote: This argument would be best solved with a prop bet and a live stream, zulu_nation style lol what about the 100 dollar bet about microing marine against lurker I never saw the results | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
I think it will take you at least 2 weeks to start owning the top USA players of today. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:47 ret wrote: My advise is don't give this guy any attention, there's a reason why most people don't recognise his name. ret has a pretty good point, but I'd happily watch the reps so w/e you guys want to do. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:49 freelander wrote: lol what about the 100 dollar bet about microing marine against lurker I never saw the results zulu lost, lol. | ||
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Jaskwith
United States197 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:43 littlechava wrote: I didn't like the way AttackZerg put it in his post at the time, but now I see he's clearly right. SaddleS really has no idea how things have changed and how far they've came in the years he's been inactive. Testie was definitely top 5 foreigners for at least a few years, and the current skill level on ICC is wayyyy above what it used to be. Meh..i didn't even really read the content of his post..I just think hes a fucking tool in a funny way..the way he jumps to all these gamer's aids...like they can't defend themselves...or like they want them to....He is just a tool because he worships foreigners so much he prolly calls them his "friends" and its funny... | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
In my opinion, it would be a great read for those of us who are rather new to the game. Comparing old ideas and beliefs about the game to the brutal reality of today's ICCup experience. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Nony (possibly better in skills than elky back then) Nony is better than Elky ever was imo. But Elky has 20X more achievements. That's two different eras. | ||
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Jaskwith
United States197 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:47 ret wrote: My advise is don't give this guy any attention, there's a reason why most people don't recognise his name. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
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food
United States1951 Posts
but he brings up nooks who blatantly hacked throughout his "career" some of you might not know, oG)Alexa = NookS rofl | ||
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
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hazz
United Kingdom570 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:53 niteReloaded wrote: On the other hand, I'd be VERY interested in reading this guy's blog if he should describe his ICCup adventures in it. In my opinion, it would be a great read for those of us who are rather new to the game. Comparing old ideas and beliefs about the game to the brutal reality of today's ICCup experience. Sounds good in theory but it will be so elitist and full of stuck up bullshit that it will be unbearable | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:56 niteReloaded wrote: Any solid C player now is better than top progamer from 2003-2004. I'd bet all I have on it. ure wrong more then he is you actually have no idea at all haha | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:50 rei wrote: ya, I was around since the beginning when NTT was the hot topic then, and yes i remember saddles was amount the top tier players back then. The fact is that testie and draco got a lot better than when you were around, but they didn't accomplish as much with those skills like Elky did. testie did however take games from korean pros here and there. The skill level is a lot higher now,here is the facts, back then Elky was able to get 4th place amongst giants such as garimto, boxer, reach yellow and many more. in comparison, Nony (possibly better in skills than elky back then) only managed to almost passed his courage tournament (for progaming license) I think it will take you at least 2 weeks to start owning the top USA players of today. hahahahhahahahahahahhaa LOL HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA No he was never a top tier player. Testie and draco both preformed great and won tournaments. Saddles ... not so much. Two weeks lol? I'll give this guy a year before he can take 1 game off of even machine, let alone the other 10 dope american gamers. Your giving a bad player alot of credit. Bashing on brattsunami never made you gosu, saddles. Live stream games I'm down | ||
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uNiGNoRe
Germany1115 Posts
So please, Saddles, if you play some games, share the replays, thanks. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25987 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:56 Dealer wrote: Chill what was your name in the early days of BW? I usually used some variation of Chill or Agalloch. GiTM.Chill, nS-g.Chill, etc. I was never known and I've never been good at Brood War; I've always been like a third tier foreigner (if that) playing in Div 2 WGTCL. Before those days, I don't know what ID I used because I was oblivious to any community. | ||
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France8043 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25987 Posts
On January 14 2009 08:00 Boblion wrote: Don't tell him about the Bisu build or Valks in TvZ, the guy will think that new players are stupid ^_^ He already made a post in strategy saying that FE isn't a safe build (can 100% get beaten by Zerg if they expect it) and that Stargate after FE builds were bad. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:56 niteReloaded wrote: Any solid C player now is better than top progamer from 2003-2004. I'd bet all I have on it. You may be right if you said 2001-2002, but by 2003-2004 the game was already quite 'modern', at least in TvP, PvP, TvT. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On January 14 2009 08:01 Chill wrote: He already made a post in strategy saying that FE isn't a safe build (can 100% get beaten by Zerg if they expect it) and that Stargate after FE builds were bad. Please roll over him, Chill. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:56 Hazz wrote: Sounds good in theory but it will be so elitist and full of stuck up bullshit that it will be unbearable Combine that with the possibility of replays telling the true story and you have yourself a nice show. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On January 14 2009 08:09 niteReloaded wrote: Combine that with the possibility of replays telling the true story and you have yourself a nice show. Now that I think about it your right, this guys iccup blog would be halarious. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:57 AttackZerg wrote: LOL HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA No he was never a top tier player. Testie and draco both preformed great and won tournaments. Saddles ... not so much. Two weeks lol? I'll give this guy a year before he can take 1 game off of even machine, let alone the other 10 dope american gamers. Your giving a bad player alot of credit. Bashing on brattsunami never made you gosu, saddles. Live stream games I'm down Giving him a warm welcome back to the world of starcraft, he didn't know about how far the game progressed, you don't need to be condescending, just prove it to him that's all, everybody have an ego, just let them have their fame, because it does no harm to anyone else but themselves? | ||
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Chill
Calgary25987 Posts
On January 14 2009 08:11 rei wrote: Giving him a warm welcome back to the world of starcraft, he didn't know about how far the game progressed, you don't need to be condescending, just prove it to him that's all, everybody have an ego, just let them have their fame, because it does no harm to anyone else but themselves? It was his own arrogance that caused this response. You don't return to a community four years later and tell them what's what. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
He also posts like teamliquid allowed back in 2003-2004 before most of us became at least decent at it. Your right though is overinflated bullshit doesn't effect me. It did annoy me that he tried to paint a picture of himself other then he was .... I was condecending towards him rei btw, I quoted you to shit on him . | ||
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Zelniq
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Even if he goes 0-10. There is nothing worse than people who talk a lot then hide. | ||
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ketomai
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
This is a replay between me and slayer from the day the replay patch was released if im not mistaken, Early 2001. Judge for yourself how we played | ||
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littlechava
United States7221 Posts
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
On January 14 2009 08:18 Boblion wrote: I would have a mad respect for him if he actually posts all the reps of the games he will play tonight. Even if he goes 0-10. There is nothing worse than people who talk a lot then hide. are you serious? did you read his posts from this thread? (he made a lot) | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On January 14 2009 08:20 niteReloaded wrote: You guys scared him and destroyed potentially awesome lulz if he agreed on a betgame or something.. Huge respect if he makes a bet game with someone like Chill. If he wins this i would become his fan. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On January 14 2009 08:23 Boblion wrote: Huge respect if he makes a bet game with someone like Chill. If he wins this i would become his fan. There are betters players on teamliquid.net who would be even more halarious. He listed having played with infinity before, hehe infinity is A-, lets see how he does there lol. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On January 14 2009 08:25 AttackZerg wrote: There are betters players on teamliquid.net who would be even more halarious. He listed having played with infinity before, hehe infinity is A-, lets see how he does there lol. Infinity is still playing ? oO I thought he was retired for a long time :O | ||
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Calgary25987 Posts
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
edit @Chill: When were magical boxes discovered? I have the vague idea that it's probably sometime in 05, but I'm not sure where I came up with that. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:11 Dealer wrote: Elky was never the best foreigner. What he did in WCG was certainly impressive, but there were still some foreigners that he would lose to. in terms of accomplishment the OSL semifinalist out shines any player that wins a foreigner tournament, That 4th place was in the mist of 5 OSL champs and the one and only 5 time OSL silver record holder. Base on accomplishment (which required mad skillz) I make the argument that he was the best foreigner of his time. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On January 14 2009 08:28 Chill wrote: LOL I want to see the look on his face when people do Muta micro against him. Ahahaha I can just imagine it. haha, if you can pick off chons with muta, he would probably shit himself lol. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25987 Posts
On January 14 2009 08:29 CDRdude wrote: I'm really interested in seeing how an oldschool player does against the fantasy build. I really hope he blogs about what iccup is like nowdays. edit @Chill: When were magical boxes discovered? I have the vague idea that it's probably sometime in 05, but I'm not sure where I came up with that. Valks to pick off Observers? Fuck yea! | ||
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
4 years down the road and it's like a completely new game | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
gl hf | ||
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
and guys, respect dealer. here we have an OP walking into mass ridicule with his nose in the air, and in what could only be regarded as humble comraderie, dealer offers himself up to the mob to be mocked and satiate our ROFLs. keep it up, man | ||
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sperY
Serbia444 Posts
On January 14 2009 08:31 Chill wrote: Valks to pick off Observers? Fuck yea! Splash from valks hitting scouts would obliterate observers with ez. | ||
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
On January 14 2009 08:29 CDRdude wrote: I'm really interested in seeing how an oldschool player does against the fantasy build. I really hope he blogs about what iccup is like nowdays. edit @Chill: When were magical boxes discovered? I have the vague idea that it's probably sometime in 05, but I'm not sure where I came up with that. I don't think people were aware of the whole magic box idea when they figured out the overlord+muta trick. You were probably asking when that overlord+muta trick was invented...which I don't know the answer to lol. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On January 14 2009 08:33 motbob wrote: http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/saddles.html gl hf bookmarked; will F5 every 30 minutes. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On January 14 2009 08:22 Dealer wrote: http://www.pgr21.com/zboard4/zboard.php?id=pds&page=4&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=subject&desc=asc&no=29 This is a replay between me and slayer from the day the replay patch was released if im not mistaken, Early 2001. Judge for yourself how we played I'll check it out later for sure. Dude one of my biggest regrets in broodwar was not playing slayer when I had a chance. I was very young then but god damn, I didn't know about competitive players like him, he was so sick and so fast. | ||
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
On January 14 2009 08:33 CTStalker wrote: saddles, please continue to offer your incredible sagely insight on strat forum topics. and guys, respect dealer. here we have an OP walking into mass ridicule with his nose in the air, and in what could only be regarded as humble comraderie, dealer offers himself up to the mob to be mocked and satiate our ROFLs. keep it up, man Actually i think most people underestimate the skill we had, some moves make me shake my head and i totally threw a won game but to give you some background info i had plenty of koreans whisper me daily on uswest for weeks after this replay got onto their rep sites and i got to play both Nada and TheMarine thanks to it. | ||
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reachfortherings
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Jaskwith
United States197 Posts
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koreasilver
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And I can't view the match list either, for some reason. I guess there's a bit of waiting time before updating? | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On January 14 2009 08:33 motbob wrote: http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/saddles.html gl hf bookmarked | ||
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koreasilver
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motbob
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
First win, against 35-47 stats D level player. Game name: D python plz ZERG noob, kinda funny What's the main race of this guy? | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On January 14 2009 08:50 Kuja900 wrote: Guys why have you all turned this topic into a flame fest, he trained Nony and id say thats grounds for atleast a little respect hes done nothing to warrant this besides being confident in himself which is never a bad thing. have you read the thread? he says protoss FE against zerg is not good. | ||
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is awesome32277 Posts
On January 14 2009 08:51 koreasilver wrote: Saddles is a Zerg? I thought he was a Protoss. You can't ling all-in with Protoss now, can you? | ||
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
On January 14 2009 08:52 niteReloaded wrote: 1 - 0 so far. Congrats on the first win! I'm really excited to see where he goes. First win, against 35-47 stats D level player. Game name: D python plz ZERG noob, kinda funny What's the main race of this guy? hahahaha | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On January 14 2009 08:50 Kuja900 wrote: Guys why have you all turned this topic into a flame fest, he trained Nony and id say thats grounds for atleast a little respect hes done nothing to warrant this besides being confident in himself which is never a bad thing. The nony thing was cool, until he started talking shit about one of the most respected former broodwar players who posts on teamliquid and then proceeded to overrank himself. Respect isn't given it is earned. Nony has never made a 'Thank you saddles' reference anywhere either, so as of right now, he mis-understands broodwar, is ignorant about who is or even was good, and talks like he used to be good. All of which are made of flameable materials. | ||
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sperY
Serbia444 Posts
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allowicious
United States972 Posts
also the korean he beat is 2-14 in his last 16 games | ||
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niteReloaded
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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reachfortherings
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
Epic thread, btw. | ||
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Canada239 Posts
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leMaj24
United States262 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On January 14 2009 09:01 leMaj24 wrote: imho, the very top of the foreign scene right now is better than what it was in 2002-2005 when saddles was active, but the rest of the foreign level was > it is now.. most of the good foreigners now were just mediocre players on their respected teams.. not trying to flame :|. This is wrong. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/1/13/f_saddlesm_fbf60fc.png&srv=img34) | ||
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leMaj24
United States262 Posts
care to prove me wrong? just curious(not trying to flame) lol =p | ||
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Etherone
United States1898 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:28 JoeSaddles wrote: smuft, draco, daaman, and testie I never went worse than 50-50 with, and I played them all at least 5 times.... really doubt it's gotten THAT much better over 4 years. I am no SC pro or even an amateur i am a complete nub, but to the best of my knowledge Flash has played the game for about that long, as in he picked up the game at 12 and now at 16 ( or is he still 15) he is the MONSTER that he is. Of course i am not comparing in lateral terms, but if an allstar player can be harnessed in 3 years then certainly one could improve drastically in 4, given time and dedication. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
yeah, seriously, these oldskul guys have way to many blind assumptions in general.. | ||
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Kuja900
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On January 14 2009 09:03 leMaj24 wrote: care to prove me wrong? just curious(not trying to flame) lol =p The average gamer C/B- is just too strong. Mechanics that didn't exist are now trained hardcore. The thing that made alot of them good was clever tactics, that over time have weakend against macro oriented play. ZvP is about the same in terms of skill sets of the zerg, but PvZ is nothing close to what it was! | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
I'd fuckin watch his 1st person stream if there was one! | ||
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United States262 Posts
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France8043 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
I'm guessing he'll prove him FE isn't viable if zerg expects it. (-.o) | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On January 14 2009 09:10 leMaj24 wrote: ehhh yeah i agree with you attackzerg, I'm only speaking by experiences of playing past/present members of teams like MgZ/ToT/uT/iG etc and it just seems like the players on those teams are alot worse than they were in 2003-2006 They aren't, there are just so many good players, when you see names you don't know you think they are worse | ||
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Australia349 Posts
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allowicious
United States972 Posts
On January 14 2009 09:08 niteReloaded wrote: Wow I can't believe this, this is like the most active thread on my side. I'm f5ing this thread, as well as his match list, it's so much fun. I'd fuckin watch his 1st person stream if there was one! haha, im doing the same thing every single match he plays is going to be analyzed by us by looking at the matchup, opponent, map, etc | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On January 14 2009 09:07 Kuja900 wrote: hmm he lost to a protoss in 18min i smell he discovered the FE rofl hahaha The now outdated sair-dark build that Bisu used against Savior would probably wreck him if a Protoss used it against him. edit: He really needs to turn on his antihack. | ||
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
On January 14 2009 09:19 koreasilver wrote: The Protoss that beat him is a new account though, so it's most likely it's some higher ranked guy smurfing. Teamliquid guy? | ||
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littlechava
United States7221 Posts
On January 14 2009 09:19 koreasilver wrote: The Protoss that beat him is a new account though, so it's most likely it's some higher ranked guy smurfing. no it isn't, he was 0-1 before their game | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On January 14 2009 09:19 koreasilver wrote: The Protoss that beat him is a new account though, so it's most likely it's some higher ranked guy smurfing. Yea some Chilean pro LOL + Show Spoiler + the only Chilean @ top level is Dinot and he is Zerg right ? :p | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On January 14 2009 09:19 koreasilver wrote: The Protoss that beat him is a new account though, so it's most likely it's some higher ranked guy smurfing. What? That account went 13-19 last season... | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On January 14 2009 09:20 littlechava wrote: no it isn't, he was 0-1 before their game Still, it's only one game. His actual skill level is pretty unknown so it doesn't really say much about Saddle's current skill level. edit: Oh shit I just looked at the previous season stats. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Thx Saddles. | ||
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littlechava
United States7221 Posts
On January 14 2009 09:23 Boblion wrote: What is good with this thread is that we will know what is the current level of a top player during the 2000-2003 era :p Thx Saddles. Not really, he was decent back then but wasn't really TOP, and he has been inactive so his skills have degraded since then. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
On January 14 2009 09:23 Boblion wrote: What is good with this thread is that we will know what is the current level of a top player during the 2000-2003 era :p Thx Saddles. yeah... it's like... you find a frozen mammoth in the polar ice, bring it back to life, and make it fight modern elephants!! | ||
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
On January 14 2009 09:25 niteReloaded wrote: yeah... it's like... you find a frozen mammoth in the polar ice, bring it back to life, and make it fight modern elephants!! hahahaha | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On January 14 2009 09:24 BroOd wrote: except he wasn't a top player back then at all. A good player so :O On January 14 2009 09:25 niteReloaded wrote: yeah... it's like... you find a frozen mammoth in the polar ice, bring it back to life, and make it fight modern elephants!! Best analogy ever LOL | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
edit: just read Ret's post lol...yeah theres a reason i have no idea who he is. | ||
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
(i know twisted was a dragon ball character or something similar, with a grin/smile on his face, probably young trunks). | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On January 14 2009 09:25 Kennigit wrote: Im very new school but i know most of the old names....who the fuck is Saddles? edit: just read Ret's post lol...yeah theres a reason i have no idea who he is. dude I didn't know he .... was like this until this thread.... This rocks! | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On January 14 2009 09:11 jpunshon wrote: I am the worst of the worst, -D player, but even I am on iccup trying to pick a fight with this guy! thats the spirit! | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
apparently he TvPed, and beat a guy who spent some time in C- before resetting the stats, Nice! | ||
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littlechava
United States7221 Posts
On January 14 2009 09:34 IntoTheWow wrote: This might came as a weird post, but Saddles did you used to have a Kadabra (the pokemon) avatar in WGTour or some other gaming site? I tend to remember little details like that. (i know twisted was a dragon ball character or something similar, with a grin/smile on his face, probably young trunks). remember what my wgt avatar was? no peeking | ||
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IntoTheWow
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On January 14 2009 09:39 littlechava wrote: remember what my wgt avatar was? no peeking Don't worry i tried to find saddles via wgtour.com to see if i was right but i can't... No i don't remember yours ; [ | ||
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littlechava
United States7221 Posts
wgt account: http://wgtour.com/member.php?datab=broodwar&id=31580 | ||
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kdog3683
United States916 Posts
Isn't it still basic tvp, tvz, pvt as from year ago? I mean...how much can you change... | ||
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EGLzGaMeR
United States1867 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:50 rei wrote: ya, I was around since the beginning when NTT was the hot topic then, and yes i remember saddles was amount the top tier players back then. The fact is that testie and draco got a lot better than when you were around, but they didn't accomplish as much with those skills like Elky did. testie did however take games from korean pros here and there. The skill level is a lot higher now,here is the facts, back then Elky was able to get 4th place amongst giants such as garimto, boxer, reach yellow and many more. in comparison, Nony (possibly better in skills than elky back then) only managed to almost passed his courage tournament (for progaming license) I think it will take you at least 2 weeks to start owning the top USA players of today. You know nothing... he thinks FE is not safe vs. zerg and stargate after FE is even worse... It would take him a year+ to catch up in skill to top level USA. (which i seriously doubt) So good job for getting your story lolable. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On January 14 2009 09:52 Jyvblamo wrote: Apparently, he is 2-2 now, after a 40 minute game that we are forced to assume was epic. Looks like a disco | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On January 14 2009 09:51 kdog3683 wrote: Has BW really changed that much within 1year? Isn't it still basic tvp, tvz, pvt as from year ago? I mean...how much can you change... 4 years. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
Even in 1 year PvT and TvZ have changed quite a bit. 2-base carrier play is gone, and mech is sticking it to all the zergs out there. | ||
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Aus)MaCrO
Australia349 Posts
I plan to fix my net and challenge him afterwards. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Saddles vs Team Liquid set 1 :p | ||
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
On January 14 2009 10:03 jpunshon wrote: He agreed to play me, but something is up with my net so I couldn't host. He is currently playing in a game called "Rei". I plan to fix my net and challenge him afterwards. There's a TL guy called rei. | ||
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United Kingdom570 Posts
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koreasilver
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On January 14 2009 09:52 Jyvblamo wrote: Apparently, he is 2-2 now, after a 40 minute game that we are forced to assume was epic. For some reason, the game isn't counting on iCCup. He just lost a ZvT. | ||
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sl
Canada239 Posts
"underthecloak: i am barely a c-" | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On January 14 2009 10:11 sl wrote: Underthecloak > Saddles "underthecloak: i am barely a c-" What a low blow... | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On January 14 2009 10:16 {88}iNcontroL wrote: he wasn't terross iirc but he was in 88 with us JF Geoff inform him whats up. His reintro into broodwar isn't going that smooth on the teamliquid side | ||
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IntoTheWow
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Kuja900
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niteReloaded
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I was obsing but had to leave coz it was lagging.. | ||
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G0dly
United States450 Posts
I mean, if he does become a really good foreigner, then 99% of the people who are flaming him in his thread will be worshiping at his feet. Pretty much the only reason why people are so pissed at him is because he his strats are old and he said that testie sucked, but I can excuse that since he hasn't been aware of things for a few years. It looks like saddles is also quite confident in his skills, but when he does realize how high the skill level has gone up he'll definitely be in for a rude awakening...but then again that doesn't allow us all to be dicks to him. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
Personally, I'm not even annoyed by him, I just enjoy this show. Don't defend him too much, but don't attack him too much either. I'll be the first one to pay respect if he manages to achieve a solid rank on ICC. Solid is Blue and above in my book. | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
On January 14 2009 10:31 G0dly wrote: I'll give him a chance. Obviously he's not aware of how much the SC skill level has changed, but the fact is, if he plays a lot and updates his strategies then there really isn't telling how well he may or may not do. I mean, if he does become a really good foreigner, then 99% of the people who are flaming him in his thread will be worshiping at his feet. Pretty much the only reason why people are so pissed at him is because he his strats are old and he said that testie sucked, but I can excuse that since he hasn't been aware of things for a few years. It looks like saddles is also quite confident in his skills, but when he does realize how high the skill level has gone up he'll definitely be in for a rude awakening...but then again that doesn't allow us all to be dicks to him. The last paragraph of this pretty much sums up my opinion aswell | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On January 14 2009 10:17 IntoTheWow wrote: iNcontroL what do you remember about his skill level? saddles was a decent and strong protoss but not quite what he is saying now hehe He was an awesome clan mate however and he did really help JF/Nony and others. That much deserves respect. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On January 14 2009 10:57 Jono wrote: How can you teach someone SC... "yea.. you're gonna wanna build a pylon now" You can explain how the game works, how the matchups work, what you are doing wrong etcetc. Saying you can't teach someone SC is like saying you can't teach someone Chess, or hell, a language. | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
I don't know much about 2004 sc and I respect all the players from the past but damnnn...FE wasn't invented, July didn't invent muta micro, Savior didn't invent defilers, and Bisu had not yet invented sairs and pylons. It must be a cripplingly humble experience for the OP playing on iccup. I only hope that this does not discourage him for good and that he can make a triumphant comeback. | ||
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Sadist
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He wont have to deal with the shock that is muta micro and hive play. PvT is roughly the same, PvZ is better now for toss, pvp will probably be a bit hard though. | ||
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IntoTheWow
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On January 14 2009 12:02 Sadist wrote: He doesnt play terran so i dont think itll be that big of a deal honestly. He wont have to deal with the shock that is muta micro and hive play. PvT is roughly the same, PvZ is better now for toss, pvp will probably be a bit hard though. What good is PvZ being easier to play if he doesn't know the maps or how it's played. | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
On January 14 2009 11:48 Warrior Madness wrote: Saddles is my hero. This thread has everything in it. Past vs Present, old culture vs new culture, a glimpse into foreigner history, nostalgia, tales of past glorys. Glorious returns, humiliating returns. This is awesome. I don't know much about 2004 sc and I respect all the players from the past but damnnn...FE wasn't invented, July didn't invent muta micro, Savior didn't invent defilers, and Bisu had not yet invented sairs and pylons. It must be a cripplingly humble experience for the OP playing on iccup. I only hope that this does not discourage him for good and that he can make a triumphant comeback. Bisu invented sairs and pylons O.o, are you shitting me lol | ||
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Sadist
United States7290 Posts
On January 14 2009 12:06 IntoTheWow wrote: What good is PvZ being easier to play if he doesn't know the maps or how it's played. its not like he cant learn, just get the FE down and play smart. Obviously hes not going to be beating great players or anything, but he can get better eventually. | ||
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
I came back earlier in 2008 while I quit in 2005 and placed top16 TSL with 2 months play. If the OP was as good as he says he was, he could get similar results easily. But he was never good. | ||
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Sadist
United States7290 Posts
On January 14 2009 12:12 ret wrote: its not hard to come back...point is that the OP was never a good player like he claims to be. I came back earlier in 2008 while I quit in 2005 and placed top16 TSL with 2 months play. If the OP was as good as he says he was, he could get similar results easily. But he was never good. true. But he does play toss! | ||
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economist_
Vietnam719 Posts
is it just me spotting or actually he doesnt even know how to stack muta then?. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
On January 14 2009 12:12 ret wrote: its not hard to come back...point is that the OP was never a good player like he claims to be. I came back earlier in 2008 while I quit in 2005 and placed top16 TSL with 2 months play. If the OP was as good as he says he was, he could get similar results easily. But he was never good. Agreed. | ||
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Sadist
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also what I think makes it harder is there are more players who are pretty good nowadays compared to back when he was active. Maybe its because i was better back relative to how I am now, but it definitely seems like there are more people now capable of playing good games compared to back then where after say the top 5-10 players there was a considerable gap. edit: btw as cool as you were saddles theres no way you were better than Smuft, Daaman or Testie back then. Even if you played them and had even or winning records or whatever, I dunno how the games worked out but you just werent. For sure. | ||
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Frits
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On January 14 2009 12:00 reachfortherings wrote: Here are the reps i promised! Judge for yourselves how good Saddles is!! Game 1 http://www.filefactory.com/file/a01cg44/n/vs_saddles_rep Game 2 http://www.filefactory.com/file/a01cg46/n/vs_saddles2_rep Both reps http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d71228fce34c349d91b20cc0d07ba4d2e27a80980ca76002 oh god game 1 hahahha The muta micro is basically the funniest thing ever, someone needs to make a youtube of it with the benny hill theme. Battlereport: Saddles goes muta vs terran, loses a ton for no reason, destroying maybe 2 scv's, terran attack moves (army moving in a complete line) and saddles dies horribly. Judging from that game Saddles is D max. I didn't complete watching but in game 2 I saw 2 reavers being unloaded on a mine after which I closed it and assumed he lost. Saddles if you want to get an idea of how to play I suggest watching some bisu/best/stork/free vods first and looking into the TLPD at the maps. The way you're playing now isn't going to get you anywhere, builds have been so perfected lately, you can't get away with anything anymore. And watch a zerg vod of the last few years to get an idea of muta micro nowadays, it will blow your mind. | ||
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Second game isn't but he still is completly outclassed. | ||
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On January 14 2009 11:46 Hot_Bid wrote: lol this is awesome i can't wait to see what his rec will be and when / if he resets out of frustration. zvp is totally, completely, utterly different than 4 years ago its hilarious, actually same with all the mus, if he gets to anywhere near B- he will likely just get completely wrecked, but i bet he doesn't get that far. i think the thing people underestimate most right now is the skill jumps from C to B, its really way, way larger a gap in level than people think. Right now without watching any vods or stuff like that there's no way he makes it past D+, and even that will take him quite some games. | ||
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Calgary25987 Posts
On January 14 2009 12:00 reachfortherings wrote: Here are the reps i promised! Judge for yourselves how good Saddles is!! Game 1 http://www.filefactory.com/file/a01cg44/n/vs_saddles_rep Game 2 http://www.filefactory.com/file/a01cg46/n/vs_saddles2_rep Both reps http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d71228fce34c349d91b20cc0d07ba4d2e27a80980ca76002 Welcome to modern macro... hahaha | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Streamed even, though I'd settle for reps. | ||
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shafiru
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Hell, I'd probably rape this kid myself.Sure, he contributed a lot to BW, but to come to the community several years later, and displaying that kind of arrogance, I enjoy watching this D+ max kid get raped | ||
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Or micro, lol: ![[image loading]](http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/6816/scscrnshot011409043639nh1.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/7383/scscrnshot011409043640rp6.jpg) I think that sums up game 2 pretty well. | ||
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Raithed
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KwarK
United States43203 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:37 JoeSaddles wrote: Good job blindly posting something like this when you have no idea of my level of skill or handspeed. A lot of people can understand the game and what builds you need to use, very few have the actual speed to be able to turn that knowledge into WINS against other good players. I'll gladly try iccup as well, thanks for blindly doubting me!!! Lol, yeah. It's all about the handspeed.... Going to lay down a challenge here. I will beat you with less than 100 apm. On any map you like. As many times as you like. Over and over. I will be armed with only game knowledge, useless without your progamer like mechanics. You will be able to demonstrate to teamliquid that no matter how much people study and understand the game the better clickfester will overcome. After all, that knowledge alone isn't enough to get WINS vs good players like yourself. Accept? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On January 14 2009 13:23 Kwark wrote: Lol, yeah. It's all about the handspeed.... Going to lay down a challenge here. I will beat you with less than 100 apm. On any map you like. As many times as you like. Over and over. Accept? 70 apm is where its at man, all the cool kids are doing it now. Man, I haven't seriously been active till a month ago for 2ish years, and I'm not naive enough to say something like "all the current pros suck more than the old ones" the game is constantly evolving. | ||
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On January 14 2009 13:23 Kwark wrote: Lol, yeah. It's all about the handspeed.... Going to lay down a challenge here. I will beat you with less than 100 apm. On any map you like. As many times as you like. Over and over. I will be armed with only game knowledge, useless without your progamer like mechanics. You will be able to demonstrate to teamliquid that no matter how much people study and understand the game the better clickfester will overcome. After all, that knowledge alone isn't enough to get WINS vs good players like yourself. Accept? I would honestly pay to watch this. Guys, I just want to mention that I love TL and this is a prime example of why. | ||
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anotak
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such a pity i wanted more to laugh at edit: also Testie never got invited to korea that was a complete misunderstanding | ||
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anotak
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On January 14 2009 13:54 Ender wrote: Actually I was far more interested in what Saddles would do in PvT when he came across an FD build. He probably would have thought it was some sort of gundam rush and suddenly the guy has an expo! What sorcery is this!? check replay #2. i'm pretty sure he had no idea about the expo | ||
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On January 14 2009 14:01 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote: I don't see the big deal here if when he left testiecwas a hacker it must have been a huge shock to learn he was a top foreinor. It would proly be like coming back in 5 years and finding out last shadow or even combat-ex became a highly respected top foreinor. Although I don't know the personality of testis when he was a hacker... Thats not realy the point, but the fact that he came so arrogantly to criticize the new strategies and players without actually proving himself, what he is trying to do now.. with not so good results. .__. SaddleS, you should really consider watching some Proleague/MSL/OSL matches on the YouTube account of Nevake or dl them from the TL.net tracker to see how much the game has evolved on the Pro level. Believe it or not.. queens and valkyries are actually not that rare today! | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On January 14 2009 13:23 Kwark wrote: Lol, yeah. It's all about the handspeed.... Going to lay down a challenge here. I will beat you with less than 100 apm. On any map you like. As many times as you like. Over and over. I will be armed with only game knowledge, useless without your progamer like mechanics. You will be able to demonstrate to teamliquid that no matter how much people study and understand the game the better clickfester will overcome. After all, that knowledge alone isn't enough to get WINS vs good players like yourself. Accept? david you are a fucking evil bastard. (Saddles do not play him on this bet, he is the best low apm player in the world!!) | ||
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11584 Posts
On January 14 2009 14:01 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote: I don't see the big deal here if when he left testiecwas a hacker it must have been a huge shock to learn he was a top foreinor. It would proly be like coming back in 5 years and finding out last shadow or even combat-ex became a highly respected top foreinor. Although I don't know the personality of testis when he was a hacker... I agree with this so much. Seems to me all of the young bloods who are newer to the scene, who don't even know of NookS, NerO, Saddles, JulloPud, are questioning him if he is even good at starcraft. There was a debate maybe a year ago, about if a top tier foreigner could beat a progamer from the 2001-2002 ages. And it was eventually decided that the answer is no, the skill level hasn't changed that much, there's just a lot more people who have been able to get onto that amazing level. As much as people want to say, Starcraft really hasn't changed that much. There was still 2 factory pushes, there was fast expansions, the game really hasn't changed much. Sure there is a vast amount of new players, newer pros, but that doesn't mean that the top tier players from a few years earlier haven't just been surpassed insanely. They just lose a lot of interest. In the time of Saddles and NerO, they were considered some of the top players in the United States. Everyone who competed competitively, even in 2005 knew of these players. During the time of Saddles, the top Canadian player was Fayth, and Testie was some UsEast hacker. I'm guessing this is when Saddles left the scene. If he left at that time, don't go jump on a bandwagon saying he is a fool, just because Testie was a great player a year or two ago. I remember hearing stories of a preliminary match in 2004 when Testie showed up to WCG LAN and had his keyboard unplugged from a computer and just spammed his hotkeys while waiting for a game. He ended up winning the match, and everyone was surprised because he was a known hacker. Much like Dino beating iNControl this year in WCG Regionals. Do I think Saddles is a great player? I know he used to, if he practiced a lot and got back into his old condition, I believe he could reclaim being one of the best in the United States within a month. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On January 14 2009 14:19 CaucasianAsian wrote: I agree with this so much. Seems to me all of the young bloods who are newer to the scene, who don't even know of NookS, NerO, Saddles, JulloPud, are questioning him if he is even good at starcraft. There was a debate maybe a year ago, about if a top tier foreigner could beat a progamer from the 2001-2002 ages. And it was eventually decided that the answer is no, the skill level hasn't changed that much, there's just a lot more people who have been able to get onto that amazing level. As much as people want to say, Starcraft really hasn't changed that much. There was still 2 factory pushes, there was fast expansions, the game really hasn't changed much. Sure there is a vast amount of new players, newer pros, but that doesn't mean that the top tier players from a few years earlier haven't just been surpassed insanely. They just lose a lot of interest. In the time of Saddles and NerO, they were considered some of the top players in the United States. Everyone who competed competitively, even in 2005 knew of these players. During the time of Saddles, the top Canadian player was Fayth, and Testie was some UsEast hacker. I'm guessing this is when Saddles left the scene. If he left at that time, don't go jump on a bandwagon saying he is a fool, just because Testie was a great player a year or two ago. I remember hearing stories of a preliminary match in 2004 when Testie showed up to WCG LAN and had his keyboard unplugged from a computer and just spammed his hotkeys while waiting for a game. He ended up winning the match, and everyone was surprised because he was a known hacker. Much like Dino beating iNControl this year in WCG Regionals. Do I think Saddles is a great player? I know he used to, if he practiced a lot and got back into his old condition, I believe he could reclaim being one of the best in the United States within a month. I think after today we incidently lite a fire under his ass to get playing. As long as he doesn't pussy out and change his iccup account we will be able to gage that pretty easy. If in one month he is B or higher then he is in the top 30 american gamers, fact. | ||
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
P.S- posted and then went back to read the thread. it's just a bunch of saddle bashing, huh? | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13291 Posts
Not even a contest. And yes BW has changed a lot. The builds, mechanics and strategies are so much more efficient even compared to 2 years ago let alone 5. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27154 Posts
Saddles, you are a jerk. Don't walk into someone's house and tell them how it is. You are going to get crushed otherwise. To others, a basic understanding of BW remains no matter how long you take off. Why do you thik gamers like ret and smuft can come back and dominate after taking a long time off? No, Saddles is not on their level, but he still retains that knowledge. If he does his homework, he will be better than the average D. | ||
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On January 14 2009 14:19 CaucasianAsian wrote: I agree with this so much. Seems to me all of the young bloods who are newer to the scene, who don't even know of NookS, NerO, Saddles, JulloPud, are questioning him if he is even good at starcraft. There was a debate maybe a year ago, about if a top tier foreigner could beat a progamer from the 2001-2002 ages. And it was eventually decided that the answer is no, the skill level hasn't changed that much, there's just a lot more people who have been able to get onto that amazing level. As much as people want to say, Starcraft really hasn't changed that much. There was still 2 factory pushes, there was fast expansions, the game really hasn't changed much. Sure there is a vast amount of new players, newer pros, but that doesn't mean that the top tier players from a few years earlier haven't just been surpassed insanely. They just lose a lot of interest. In the time of Saddles and NerO, they were considered some of the top players in the United States. Everyone who competed competitively, even in 2005 knew of these players. During the time of Saddles, the top Canadian player was Fayth, and Testie was some UsEast hacker. I'm guessing this is when Saddles left the scene. If he left at that time, don't go jump on a bandwagon saying he is a fool, just because Testie was a great player a year or two ago. I remember hearing stories of a preliminary match in 2004 when Testie showed up to WCG LAN and had his keyboard unplugged from a computer and just spammed his hotkeys while waiting for a game. He ended up winning the match, and everyone was surprised because he was a known hacker. Much like Dino beating iNControl this year in WCG Regionals. Do I think Saddles is a great player? I know he used to, if he practiced a lot and got back into his old condition, I believe he could reclaim being one of the best in the United States within a month. it changed a lot since 2002, let alone 2001 its not even close in terms of gameplay and saddles perfectly knows who testie is. He was still playing in 2006 showing up to cws. Its obvious hes just badmouthing and pretending to be retarded i clearly remember asking my friend back in the day "whos saddles" and him saying "hes garbage" funnier thing is that saddleses buttbuddy NookS was blatantly hacking half the time he was playing, yet he tries to bash testie for something that happened way before that | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
Saddle just beat a C terran with his protoss like 5 mins ago, it was a good game, this is his what 12th game after 4 years? If saddles can make a comeback, why can't Savior D: | ||
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KwarK
United States43203 Posts
On January 14 2009 14:52 rei wrote: we are having very very bad saddles droping problem, 3 out of every 4 games he drops right after the game starts T.T Where are you playing this? I wanna get in on the action. Poker is being mean to me. | ||
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fonger
United Kingdom1218 Posts
On January 14 2009 14:49 rei wrote: Saddle just beat a C terran with his protoss like 5 mins ago, it was a good game, this is his what 12th game after 4 years? Yeah this was me. Lost 12/3 on LT after winning first game 6/3. Very unusual playstyle. I'm not a great player but I do think oldschool pros/competitive players were and are still good at what they do. It's just that IMO their style of play is not optimal way to win consistently nowadays. | ||
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BreaK
Canada890 Posts
On January 14 2009 15:04 Manifesto7 wrote: Meh, I just think it is stupid to give 18 pages to some BM jerk off from USEast. Agreed, but it has to do with the fact that Nony was mentioned. Otherwise this thread would have degenerated at a much faster pace and would be long past closed. Because he mentioned it gived the thread the possibility of actual discussion. | ||
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Ilvy
Germany2445 Posts
On January 14 2009 15:04 Manifesto7 wrote: Meh, I just think it is stupid to give 18 pages to some BM jerk off from USEast. So why not closing it? | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27154 Posts
Cause then I'll look like the big jerk spoiling everybody's fun. And I'm sensitive to that. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
On January 14 2009 15:04 fonger wrote: Yeah this was me. Lost 12/3 on LT after winning first game 6/3. Very unusual playstyle. I'm not a great player but I do think oldschool pros/competitive players were and are still good at what they do. It's just that IMO their style of play is not optimal way to win consistently nowadays. Agreed. He may sneak a game here and there w/his old style, but won't be consistent. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On January 14 2009 15:18 Manifesto7 wrote: It serves to keep them in one place :p Ah the general forum question is answered! | ||
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
Btw right now I can't even reach C haha. Keep getting smashed by korean C- players  | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
On January 14 2009 15:32 skyglow1 wrote: I played awfully and he still lost to me TvP Btw right now I can't even reach C haha. Keep getting smashed by korean C- players The skill different between when the Koreans log on and when they're off is huggggeee. It's like 2 half ranks, i.e. C+ -> C-. Just crazy. | ||
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KwarK
United States43203 Posts
Loltime. ![[image loading]](http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1249/lolfe1.jpg) Sup SaddleS?!?! ![[image loading]](http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/1779/lol2sc0.jpg) Standard PvP expo timing. Just how I roll yo. Replay. http://repdepot.net/download.php?type=rep&id=7097&name=SaddleS vs KwarK.rep Fear my 112 apm mechanical supremacy. | ||
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Quesadilla
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On January 14 2009 15:57 LosingID8 wrote: lol sick manner forge hahaha thats beyond epic | ||
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Hot_Bid
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On January 14 2009 15:48 rei wrote: lol he just beat a B/B- in pvp, again not naming anyone lol someone needs to pay attention to colors and IDs hahaha if Saddles can get to B legitimately within a week like he claims, that would be a miracle | ||
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GTR
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On January 14 2009 16:06 Jyvblamo wrote: Hey hey now, even a progamer got manner-forged recently in the proleague. theory; pokju = saddles bisu = kwark?!??! | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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Seraphim
United States4467 Posts
On January 14 2009 16:06 Jyvblamo wrote: Hey hey now, even a progamer got manner-forged recently in the proleague. Really? I know that Kal was manner pyloned multiple times recently, but who was manner forged? | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On January 14 2009 14:19 CaucasianAsian wrote: I agree with this so much. Seems to me all of the young bloods who are newer to the scene, who don't even know of NookS, NerO, Saddles, JulloPud, are questioning him if he is even good at starcraft. There was a debate maybe a year ago, about if a top tier foreigner could beat a progamer from the 2001-2002 ages. And it was eventually decided that the answer is no, the skill level hasn't changed that much, there's just a lot more people who have been able to get onto that amazing level. As much as people want to say, Starcraft really hasn't changed that much. There was still 2 factory pushes, there was fast expansions, the game really hasn't changed much. Sure there is a vast amount of new players, newer pros, but that doesn't mean that the top tier players from a few years earlier haven't just been surpassed insanely. They just lose a lot of interest. In the time of Saddles and NerO, they were considered some of the top players in the United States. Everyone who competed competitively, even in 2005 knew of these players. During the time of Saddles, the top Canadian player was Fayth, and Testie was some UsEast hacker. I'm guessing this is when Saddles left the scene. If he left at that time, don't go jump on a bandwagon saying he is a fool, just because Testie was a great player a year or two ago. I remember hearing stories of a preliminary match in 2004 when Testie showed up to WCG LAN and had his keyboard unplugged from a computer and just spammed his hotkeys while waiting for a game. He ended up winning the match, and everyone was surprised because he was a known hacker. Much like Dino beating iNControl this year in WCG Regionals. Do I think Saddles is a great player? I know he used to, if he practiced a lot and got back into his old condition, I believe he could reclaim being one of the best in the United States within a month. your memory differs from mine. Saddles was never known outside of North America, and there were plenty of North American players back then who were better than saddles. Saddles was as much a 'top player in USA' as i was a top player in Canada. (actually, i'm gonna let my own ego get in the way here and say i was closer to being a top player in Canada. )And Testie was always better than Fayth. So was Veg, Xiaozi, hell even Vasmos could have been better than Fayth! Back in 2004 the Canadian players to go to WCG grand finals were Testie, Veg, and Grrr.... Of all the players in the tournament, Testie was the only player to take a game off of a korean (outside of the group stage). In 2004, Testie had proved he was a good offline player, if not top 5 foreigners. Saddles must have left the scene before then, or has a memory as distorted as yours. edit - reminiscing.... what happened to Pride! anyone know how he's doing? | ||
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KwarK
United States43203 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/2856/moremannerph1.jpg) This really is all his units like 4 minutes in. I really don't know how. He went for a 1 gate no core opening and stuck with it. :S + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2642/zeesyk9.jpg) | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On January 14 2009 16:35 Divinek wrote: rei is almost as bad as saddles. He beat decent players but you're not naming names and no reps are getting put up of it? He hasn't beaten anyone decent. i'm bad because i don't feed you guys materials to flame? | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36379 Posts
On January 14 2009 16:47 rei wrote: i'm bad because i don't feed you guys materials to flame? i thought this was pretty funny: On January 14 2009 15:48 rei wrote: lol he just beat a B/B- in pvp, again not naming anyone when you got the colors and winner/loser confused haha i bet you were super excited | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On January 14 2009 16:47 rei wrote: i'm bad because i don't feed you guys materials to flame? the b- was getting the colors wrong in the kwark game anyhow, no? edit: fucken hotbid | ||
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KwarK
United States43203 Posts
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On January 14 2009 16:54 Kwark wrote: I kind of resent being called a B- anyway. The gap between B- and B+ is pretty huge. Hehe, are you either yet this season . I just hit C+ at 74% and I'm scared as fuck of the next 3 hours =(. | ||
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
On January 14 2009 16:54 Kwark wrote: I kind of resent being called a B- anyway. The gap between B- and B+ is pretty huge. is it really?.. that seems pretty crazy haha, but i guess it's believable since ladders do get harder and harder the further up you go. i read ever post in this thread and enjoyed every moment of it, especially towards the end when we got to see game results and screenshots hahaha ;] | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:09 Dealer wrote: Is that a joke? When i used to play seriously i considered a maximum of 3 to be very good, some decent and some not even a challenge. Unlike you i dont have losing records against more then 1 or 2 on that list. you considered a maximum of 3 of these players to be very good? hmm... Let's take a look at these players: Testie: consistently best player in Canada from 2003-2008 Draco: top 3 in Poland since 2004 Froz: #1 USA for 4 years? Infinity: top 3 in Germany for 4 years? (could be debatable, Germany had lots of fantastic players) Timothy: top 5 in Canada consistently since 2004. Maybe even top 3 Fisheye: Germany's most consistent player (could be argued between mondi/fisheye) Legionnaire: One of the 4? foreigners to go to korea and play professionally for several years. Zealotito: Spains #1 player for 2-3 years. Eriador: #1 in Norway since 2003 top 3 in Norway since always. Midian: UK's best player since 2002 Rekrul: Top 3 USA since 2003 Wisdom: Top 3 USA from 2001-2003 (debatable) HovZ: Ok. Sadist: Ok. Nyoken: Ok. Day: top 3 USA since 2003 Fayth: top 3 in Canada during 2005 (and maybe 2006?) Corbalt: The highest rated foreigner on Game-i (i think?) Pride: Top 5 in Canada for 2-4 years. White-Ra: Top 3 in Ukraine for 4 years. Hellghost: #1 in Brazil for 4 years. Dealer, you were a decent player, but stop talking out of your ass. Most of these players were amazing (for foreigners). The exceptions would be the USA players he mentions - but would that really be a surprise being that he's American? (and to be fair, HovZ's TvP was really good. Sadist's TvT was one of the best outside of korea at one point. Nyoken's TvZ was good.) Wouldn't you list Jesse, Kenka, Delicato, etc, among 'top players' in sweden? | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On January 14 2009 16:47 rei wrote: i'm bad because i don't feed you guys materials to flame? Materials to flame. Proof. Whatever you want to call it. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27154 Posts
Manifesto <--- top 5 Canadian player ez. | ||
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KwarK
United States43203 Posts
8 pylon. Scout. 11 pylon. + Show Spoiler + 12 pylon. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/9159/89277049ft2.jpg) On 14/33 Nexus. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5483/nexzh4.jpg) 5 minutes in this remains unscouted and he's opting for a 1 base, 1 gate observer rush. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/516/58333553gb4.jpg) 8 minutes in he finally gets goon range + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6999/89861489sy9.jpg) He was still on one base at this point. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6668/83984180ei3.jpg) I fully endorse this build order against any highly skilled, excellent mechanical Protoss player. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
wanna play bet games in 5 hours? (22:00 tl time) | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On January 14 2009 17:06 Manifesto7 wrote: I got reps of me beating Mora. Manifesto <--- top 5 Canadian player ez. hi mani <3 how was your x-mas + new years!? edit - by the way you're bm. i actually don't remember those games... we should log on and watch + reminisce! | ||
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GTR
51497 Posts
On January 14 2009 17:07 IdrA wrote: you sound like you're pretty good wanna play bet games in 5 hours? (22:00 tl time) haha if this is played hahaha | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
eraidor isn't top 3 in norway and hasn't been for a long time now testie hasn't been the best player in canada for a while now, longer then 2008 rekrul does not rank in the usa scene midian isn't the best uk player Hovz and sadist were never to be ranked internationally, ever. Although to be fair they both raped me HARD esp sadist. Fayth was underrated because he was a huge faggot, but he was good. btw what ever happend to delicato, I fucking loved his zvt. | ||
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Ash
Malaysia1978 Posts
Neither do I remember testie winning any tournaments with the best foreigners in it. There is one organized by puretorican which one I remember that he got into final against ret and didn't finish the series because of some unacceptable excuses given. The games that he took against koreans were pretty impressive but nothing special IMO. Matchups like ZvP and PvT back then were much easier for non koreans to win against the koreans. Many like mondragon, pj , lx, draco and sen have done it. I really don't see a reasons why he was even close to being the best foreigner at any point. Saying Fayth was underrated is pretty ironic imo because I remember back in days when all he did was DT rush in PvT LOL He was the one saying how DT rush is unstoppable in PvT,wasn't him? | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
how could i forget sen | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
id agree with sen, mondi is arguable, draco didnt surpass him until he went to korea and a2 was definitely not better than him, he did beat him like 4-3 in koth but that was during the rpoint map rotation where terran had to try pretty hard to lose. | ||
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KwarK
United States43203 Posts
On January 14 2009 17:10 AttackZerg wrote: midian isn't the best uk player Midian still is I'm afraid. I played him recently, when he was on his laptop and out of practice, and he still gave me tough games. Although I won our series 2-1 I have no doubt that with his proper setup and a days practice he could easily beat me. I guess I could say that I'm #1 UK (and indeed I do say this all the time :D) but that's only because Midian doesn't play right now. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
to Saddles: Hi Saddles! Back in the day you and I played in some event TL ran. I tried to lift barracks into your base on LT. Now, unlike the crew of shrieking fucking mongrels that seem to have infested this thread, I'm not gonna talk shit to you. However, the game has changed a lot since 2004, and the average skill level right now is significantly higher. Yes, Testie became a respected, skilled player. Yes, he really did have some interaction with pro teams, including a trial with POS that he didn't pass that happened probably very recently after you stopped playing, and an offer a few years later. He really was the best foreigner for like a year minimum, some people will say longer, but a year is pretty indisputable. Anyway, on a website that is dedicated to pro StarCraft you probably shouldn't come back after years of inactivity and talk with authority about strategy, because everyone here watches progamers play every night, and the game evolves. NOW THEN, to the rest of you: Where the fuck do you people get off creating a SHITSTORM of a thread like this? Circlejerking quotes and screenshots, waiting for saddles to lose games so you can get your fucking jollies? This guy used to be a pretty good player, and he is DAMN SURE deserving of more respect than he is being given. I'm so very sorry that Saddles is out of the loop and more confident than he should be, but how exactly does that warrant such behavior from all of you? What has my website become? GROW THE FUCK UP, ALL OF YOU. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25987 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25987 Posts
On January 14 2009 07:37 JoeSaddles wrote: Good job blindly posting something like this when you have no idea of my level of skill or handspeed. A lot of people can understand the game and what builds you need to use, very few have the actual speed to be able to turn that knowledge into WINS against other good players. I'll gladly try iccup as well, thanks for blindly doubting me!!! bump. lol | ||
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