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Yaqoob
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Canada3395 Posts
November 13 2008 21:27 GMT
#81
Actually when Nal_ra was playing his apm was like 170 or something. I remember him being asked 2 years ago about what made him increase his apm or something to 200-250 and he said because of playing more and stuff like that/
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cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
November 13 2008 21:34 GMT
#82
Lol damn BW chart and its APM graph. It was the end of civil conversation as we know it
gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
November 13 2008 21:42 GMT
#83
what's eapm and how do u calculate it?
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-13 21:49:51
November 13 2008 21:44 GMT
#84
On November 14 2008 02:23 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2008 00:30 ahole-surprise wrote:
On November 13 2008 15:11 Superiorwolf wrote:
savior is pretty low but zerg doesn't nearly require as much 400 apm that terrans do. savior is like 200-250 afaik.


I don't know, why is it that the only two players who can play ZvP nowadays have around 400 APM (Jaedong and July)?

Well savior's ZvP was better than theirs in his prime in my opinion. Coincidence I guess?
it wasnt better, in his prime pvz wasnt revolutionized yet

On November 14 2008 06:42 gg_hertzz wrote:
what's eapm and how do u calculate it?
Eapm is effective apm and doesnt count the actions that do nothing (i think) and you get use the program here to see ur eapm: http://bwrepinfo.narod.ru/download.html
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
November 13 2008 21:46 GMT
#85
On November 14 2008 05:55 Dark_Luster wrote:
for all the doubters.
nal_ra has over 250 in the first 5 minutes.
who doesnt?

but starting late game and midgame he goes down to 130-150.
and goes even more up in different situations


You have absolutely no idea what the hell you are talking about...
his average apm is about 250 average lenght games, not 130, lol.

Open any nal_ra rep in bwchart thats played more recently then 2001 and you'll see
gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
November 13 2008 21:52 GMT
#86
On November 14 2008 06:44 We Are Here wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2008 02:23 Shikyo wrote:
On November 14 2008 00:30 ahole-surprise wrote:
On November 13 2008 15:11 Superiorwolf wrote:
savior is pretty low but zerg doesn't nearly require as much 400 apm that terrans do. savior is like 200-250 afaik.


I don't know, why is it that the only two players who can play ZvP nowadays have around 400 APM (Jaedong and July)?

Well savior's ZvP was better than theirs in his prime in my opinion. Coincidence I guess?
it wasnt better, in his prime pvz wasnt revolutionized yet

Show nested quote +
On November 14 2008 06:42 gg_hertzz wrote:
what's eapm and how do u calculate it?
Eapm is effective apm and doesnt count the actions that do nothing (i think) and you get use the program here to see ur eapm: http://bwrepinfo.narod.ru/download.html


cool. so what's a good eapm average?
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
November 13 2008 21:53 GMT
#87
I'm sick of the 1a2a3a joke.

Its true that protoss need less apm. But that's just how it is, it doesn't mean noobs can be better at it. I usually play protoss but sometimes I like playing Terran and my apm increases because there's more things I have to do. To put it some way, if you're not a spammer, it's easier to have higher apm playing terran than protoss at the same level, and that doesn't mean anything,
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afg-warrior
Profile Joined June 2007
Afghanistan328 Posts
November 13 2008 21:54 GMT
#88
Rock's apm is 3 cuz as soon as the match starts he hits G G and then enter.
"Yeah fuck multiplayer I'm only in this for the xel'naga" snowdrift86
afg-warrior
Profile Joined June 2007
Afghanistan328 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-13 21:56:43
November 13 2008 21:56 GMT
#89
On November 14 2008 06:53 kemoryan wrote:
I'm sick of the 1a2a3a joke.

Its true that protoss need less apm. But that's just how it is, it doesn't mean noobs can be better at it. I usually play protoss but sometimes I like playing Terran and my apm increases because there's more things I have to do. To put it some way, if you're not a spammer, it's easier to have higher apm playing terran than protoss at the same level, and that doesn't mean anything,


STFU toss noob or i'll 1a2a3a4a you to death

























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Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-13 22:17:27
November 13 2008 22:10 GMT
#90
On November 14 2008 06:52 gg_hertzz wrote:

cool. so what's a good eapm average?


200+
u wont see any pro below ~180, even the european top gamers are (nearly) that fast

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Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
November 13 2008 22:13 GMT
#91
Comparing APM is just pointless, there is no direct link between being a good player and having low/high apm and there never will be. EAPM(effective apm) however..
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We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
November 13 2008 22:14 GMT
#92
On November 14 2008 07:10 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2008 06:52 gg_hertzz wrote:

cool. so what's a good eapm average?


200+
u wont see any pro below ~180, even the european top gamers are nearly that fast
you kidding me?160+ even by pro standards is pretty good
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
Polar_Nada
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1548 Posts
November 13 2008 22:16 GMT
#93
On November 14 2008 07:14 We Are Here wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2008 07:10 Djin)ftw( wrote:
On November 14 2008 06:52 gg_hertzz wrote:

cool. so what's a good eapm average?


200+
u wont see any pro below ~180, even the european top gamers are nearly that fast
you kidding me?160+ even by pro standards is pretty good


uhhh...are YOU kidding? i cant even hit D+ on iccup with 150 apm >.>
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Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
November 13 2008 22:18 GMT
#94
sorry, made a screenshot now but as always, many (E)APM are good, but u wont win by just clicking a lot :D
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
November 13 2008 22:29 GMT
#95
and here the EAPM for some blizzcon games
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thats why i'm sure idra is going to make it, he is really fast. he just needs more practise
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
fig_newbie
Profile Joined March 2006
749 Posts
November 13 2008 22:40 GMT
#96
On November 14 2008 06:46 Pulimuli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2008 05:55 Dark_Luster wrote:
for all the doubters.
nal_ra has over 250 in the first 5 minutes.
who doesnt?

but starting late game and midgame he goes down to 130-150.
and goes even more up in different situations


You have absolutely no idea what the hell you are talking about...
his average apm is about 250 average lenght games, not 130, lol.

Open any nal_ra rep in bwchart thats played more recently then 2001 and you'll see

completely missed the point of Dark_luster's post lol?
k?
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
November 13 2008 22:42 GMT
#97
someone here posted this and I think this is the perfect metaphor for apm

The user is the driver and the APM is the car. You have a very fast car but the driver is unexperienced so car will just kill the driver. Now if the driver is good and he has a "a-ok" car, that's enough for the driver to finish the first place.
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gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
November 13 2008 22:48 GMT
#98
so what the heck is eapm? it doesn't seem as straight forward as apm. apm is just the physical 'clicks' of your fingers. so what the heck is eapm and how is it calculated?
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
November 13 2008 22:51 GMT
#99
On November 14 2008 07:48 gg_hertzz wrote:
so what the heck is eapm? it doesn't seem as straight forward as apm. apm is just the physical 'clicks' of your fingers. so what the heck is eapm and how is it calculated?


Usefull clicks that aren't spam i think, and i don't know how to calculate it.
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ExSoldier
Profile Joined April 2008
378 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-13 22:52:52
November 13 2008 22:51 GMT
#100
On November 14 2008 07:42 Licmyobelisk wrote:
someone here posted this and I think this is the perfect metaphor for apm

The user is the driver and the APM is the car. You have a very fast car but the driver is unexperienced so car will just kill the driver. Now if the driver is good and he has a "a-ok" car, that's enough for the driver to finish the first place.


ya but if there is 2 good drivers and 1 has good car while other has "a-ok" car, its obvious that the one with the good car will win. In other words you cant be a pro with low apm because you will just be stumped by pros with high apm. So in the end low apm = a newb or is destined to be a newb lol
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