edit: im 90% sure i posted this in General not in blog. apologies if i did and it was moved or something gay.
i dont need or want advice, i just want to hear your stories
you're absolutely in love with a person
he or she does not love you back, nor does he or she barely comprehend how powerful your feelings are, although he or she understand that you have those feelings (since you've let it be known, many times, in many ways abeit most probably unnoticed)
you are close friends with this person and talk about pretty much anything under the sun - and i do mean everything in a deeper sense of the term, from your innermost thoughts to your religion your past and your doubts fears hopes and values, up to the extent of sexual modesty, since that is a precarious subject between you for "obvious" reasons.
you have an understanding between one another that extends far beyond it.
you , for the first time in your life, due to various degrees of enlightenment, are "comfortable" (read: able) to interact with this person closely whilst containing the metaphorically violent expression of your love and desire.
how do you feel? your heart is constantly shattered, rebuilt and shattered again. you are on that fine line between honest friendship and pent up explosiveness, ever controlling it. every so often you have to let slip, at the most appropriate and innocent of times, casual phrases like "love you" or "you're awesome!". and all the while you wonder if she really has any idea of what you feel.
your act is so good. you have never been so strong in your life. a normal person would break down violently and the relationship would be forever gone. but it's not an act. if this person were same-gendered you would love them just as much. your "act" is only so that they don't feel uncomfortable, so that the relationship remains as intact as it can possibly be.
this person says to you...
"if simply being friends is really that difficult for you, perhaps we should just end it altogether. what do you think about that?"
and you answer...
"i don't know. i really don't know."
you're dying inside, you're almost fainting. do you have the strength to rally? how long can you keep this up for? is this the feeling of "hope" that keeps me alive? without this strength i would surely be wallowing in manic depression as i have done so many times before.
but how long can it last. i'm afraid. my only strength is in her own sense of enlightenment and the hope that she can forgive and accept me for what i am. and she seems to be able to do this. and for this i love her all the more.
You definently fail vGi-Cow moved it to the blog, and your idiot ass just posted again :edit: You're the one who should be growing up Get over it, start thinking independently The Leaders of Teamliquid didnt create this website so they can hear you cry about some girl
On November 12 2008 09:14 tika wrote: its too uncommon and significant to be left in blog, if u read it its a unique experience that should b left open for a larger audience . imo
Holy SHIT lol
hahahaha oh my god how deluded and self-important can you be
jibba i respect a lot of your posts in the past but recently it seems like ur doing very low level of thinking, i dont mean to be aggressive or offensive in any manner, just pointing out how u appear to myself and a couple of others. its so very easy for myself and others to slip into that "instant response" style but we sometimes all need a reminder that things are more than they immediately seem
edit: and this goes for folca who seems to think that the most significant points of our emotional lives are as simplistic as their own first fad loves at the age of 16 and not for example serious relationships between middle-aged adults
If you are below 18, then realize that things like this happen, and in retrospect you will find them silly.
But as for advice, keep the friendship. And if you can't keep the friendship and respect her friendship, then YOU need to move on. It is a very difficult line to walk, but do try. Good luck.
My post in the blog is dead serious. She knows that you want to be in a relationship and she's gone as far as to say you should end it if you can't handle just being friends, so you are definitely stuck in the friend zone. You're only going to forget about her by 1) not being friends anymore or 2) start a relationship with someone else. #2 is obviously the better choice if you haven't been intimate before.
On November 12 2008 09:23 TheOvermind77 wrote: How old are you?
If you are below 18, then realize that things like this happen, and in retrospect you will find them silly.
But as for advice, keep the friendship. And if you can't keep the friendship and respect her friendship, then YOU need to move on. It is a very difficult line to walk, but do try. Good luck.
thanks for some form of encouragement at the least, it almost definately is as simple as what you say. just is some great comfort to hear from others in this lonely, lonely world we live in.
On November 12 2008 09:24 Jibba wrote: My post in the blog is dead serious. She knows that you want to be in a relationship and she's gone as far as to say you should end it if you can't handle just being friends, so you are definitely stuck in the friend zone. You're only going to forget about her by 1) not being friends anymore or 2) start a relationship with someone else. #2 is obviously the better choice if you haven't been intimate before.
no offense but in the "real world", at least between people who "think" as much as myself and my associates do, this is a very very ....unsophisticated, black and white way of thinking. if you are in a relationship with someone who is very thoughtful and intelligent, answers, paths, aren't so clearcut.
edit: this isn't america where relationships sprout and end on a whim. we put real value into our lives and what we do and what we experience.
On November 12 2008 09:24 Jibba wrote: My post in the blog is dead serious. She knows that you want to be in a relationship and she's gone as far as to say you should end it if you can't handle just being friends, so you are definitely stuck in the friend zone. You're only going to forget about her by 1) not being friends anymore or 2) start a relationship with someone else. #2 is obviously the better choice if you haven't been intimate before.
no offense but in the "real world", at least between people who "think" as much as myself and my associates do, this is a very very ....unsophisticated, black and white way of thinking. if you are in a relationship with someone who is very thoughtful and intelligent, answers, paths, aren't so clearcut.
edit: this isn't america where relationships sprout and end on a whim. we put real value into our lives and what we do and what we experience.
On November 12 2008 09:32 Nytefish wrote: In a way I'm glad I don't "think" like you. My world isn't lonely and most problems have straightforward solutions.
unfortunately this kind of thinking gets you divorced 1 or 5 years of misery down the line.
On November 12 2008 09:24 Jibba wrote: My post in the blog is dead serious. She knows that you want to be in a relationship and she's gone as far as to say you should end it if you can't handle just being friends, so you are definitely stuck in the friend zone. You're only going to forget about her by 1) not being friends anymore or 2) start a relationship with someone else. #2 is obviously the better choice if you haven't been intimate before.
...and what's wrong with just staying friends? :S It's not at all impossible, but you refuse to see it that way.
On November 12 2008 09:14 tika wrote: its too uncommon and significant to be left in blog, if u read it its a unique experience that should b left open for a larger audience . imo
edit oh and grow up jesus
Dude, it couldn't be more common and insignificant. Nearly everyone gets in situations like this.
If she isn't interested stop seeing her you're just preventing yourself from meeting new people you might love and will love you back. You're just making yourself miserable for no reason, I know the feeling.
On November 12 2008 09:24 Jibba wrote: My post in the blog is dead serious. She knows that you want to be in a relationship and she's gone as far as to say you should end it if you can't handle just being friends, so you are definitely stuck in the friend zone. You're only going to forget about her by 1) not being friends anymore or 2) start a relationship with someone else. #2 is obviously the better choice if you haven't been intimate before.
no offense but in the "real world", at least between people who "think" as much as myself and my associates do, this is a very very ....unsophisticated, black and white way of thinking. if you are in a relationship with someone who is very thoughtful and intelligent, answers, paths, aren't so clearcut.
edit: this isn't america where relationships sprout and end on a whim. we put real value into our lives and what we do and what we experience.
Look, probably everyone knows what you are talking about. Its a shitty feeling. But this topic is 99% a story about your own life and 1% 'asking people for their stories'. So it should be a blog.
That being said; dont stay focused on impossible love. Its not good for you and definitely wont help your chances with this girl.Forcing anything is no good. Good luck.
On November 12 2008 09:32 Nytefish wrote: In a way I'm glad I don't "think" like you. My world isn't lonely and most problems have straightforward solutions.
unfortunately this kind of thinking gets you divorced 1 or 5 years of misery down the line.
You're making quite a lot of assumptions. :S
Sorry if I'm just a simpleton who can't understand your superior level of relationship.
On November 12 2008 09:24 Jibba wrote: My post in the blog is dead serious. She knows that you want to be in a relationship and she's gone as far as to say you should end it if you can't handle just being friends, so you are definitely stuck in the friend zone. You're only going to forget about her by 1) not being friends anymore or 2) start a relationship with someone else. #2 is obviously the better choice if you haven't been intimate before.
...and what's wrong with just staying friends? :S It's not at all impossible, but you refuse to see it that way.
I meant start a new relationship relationship, not end the friendship with her. My advice in the blog was to have her help him get a gf.
I eat oatmeal every morning. I mix 2 servings of low-sugar flavored instant oatmeal with 1 serving of quickened oats and add about 4 ounces of whole milk. It makes a pretty nutritious 450-500 calories, and I add 16 oz of whole milk for 750-800 calories total. My favorite flavor is apples & cinnamon.
On November 12 2008 09:24 Jibba wrote: My post in the blog is dead serious. She knows that you want to be in a relationship and she's gone as far as to say you should end it if you can't handle just being friends, so you are definitely stuck in the friend zone. You're only going to forget about her by 1) not being friends anymore or 2) start a relationship with someone else. #2 is obviously the better choice if you haven't been intimate before.
no offense but in the "real world", at least between people who "think" as much as myself and my associates do, this is a very very ....unsophisticated, black and white way of thinking. if you are in a relationship with someone who is very thoughtful and intelligent, answers, paths, aren't so clearcut.
edit: this isn't america where relationships sprout and end on a whim. we put real value into our lives and what we do and what we experience.
The Friend Zone is in international waters, sir.
anyone using "sir" to address someone especially after being doubted or questioned indicates an air of arrogance that is attributed usually only to the whimsical and the troll. basically it's a word that screams "i haven't really thought about what you are saying, i'm reacting spontaeniously and extremely confidently." unfortunately in REAL real life circumstance, ie life after the age of 23 when people are actually becoming or understanding what it means to be "mature in thought", extreme confidence is simply a deafening indication that a person is unenlightened.
imagine you're giving "love advice" to a 14 year old. you're 24. you tell them they're silly and how much they have to learn.
i wonder how much a 34 year old has to teach YOU. don't you?
On November 12 2008 09:24 Jibba wrote: My post in the blog is dead serious. She knows that you want to be in a relationship and she's gone as far as to say you should end it if you can't handle just being friends, so you are definitely stuck in the friend zone. You're only going to forget about her by 1) not being friends anymore or 2) start a relationship with someone else. #2 is obviously the better choice if you haven't been intimate before.
no offense but in the "real world", at least between people who "think" as much as myself and my associates do, this is a very very ....unsophisticated, black and white way of thinking. if you are in a relationship with someone who is very thoughtful and intelligent, answers, paths, aren't so clearcut.
edit: this isn't america where relationships sprout and end on a whim. we put real value into our lives and what we do and what we experience.
The Friend Zone is in international waters, sir.
unfortunately in REAL real life circumstance, ie life after the age of 23 when people are actually becoming or understanding what it means to be "mature in thought",
I like how you define the cut-off for mature life as your age. On topic, please stop trolling the thread. It is about breakfast foods.
lmao i had this exact same experience three days ago
you are not unique
time to grow up man up and get the fuck over it
the girl actually said to me "Listen, you're making my boyfriend incredibly jealous and he doesnt deserve to be unhappy like that. You're cute, i like you, if i were single we would be a lot different. But its done. Stop. If you can't just be friends, its over entirely."
You are not in love with her, you simply desire her. If you truely love her, whether she loves you back or not matters very little. Once you start to grasp this concept, then your feelings will subside and everything will be wonderful again.
i'm not 23 nor anything near it, that's just a very defining age for most people. sorry for arguing dumb (semantics, specifics?) like this but you DO ask so i can only imagine you're just trying to further your analysis of myself and this thread, and can only thank you for doing so.
Yea, you need to stop seeing her. Completely. Don't just mope endlessly. Try to do some exercise everyday and hang out with friends. Hopefully you have some close guy/girl friends that know what you are going through so you can just veg out if need be, but with some company.
I would agree that being 18 is basically being clueless. You need to be on your own for a few years. Some 18 year olds are probably different, but I have yet to meet one. It definitely happens for most people sometime in your 20s, probably never for others.
Hmmm i've been in a similar predicament, I really loved this girl, she lived in the same dorm as me, and we'd do virtually everything together...She knew about my feelings for her, but it wasn't mutual. We always did everything together, we'd eat together like 5 times a week and go clubbing twice a week. We'd talk for hours, sometimes till 5AM even tho we'd have to work the next day. It was awesome, but also very difficult at times for me.
She's probably the one who seeks contact the most, as she enjoys your company (a lot). It's a very mixed feeling, on one hard you'd like to be with her all of the time, on the other hard you know it's better no to hang out so much since you will keep feeling something for her. Do make sure that you respect yourself. You're not going to have a relationship with this girl, so make sure that the effort you put in isn't with that intention. Stand up a bit for yourself, and give yourself some space to meet other girls as well...although that may seem difficult, when compared to other girls this one will always come out on top in your mind.
Mind you, this happened to me when i was 25, it's definitely not something that only happens to younger ppl. I still see her sometimes, but not that often anymore. Looking back, i remember a lot of fun we had, but it also feels like a lot of wasted time...and although it's too bad it never happened, i can see a lot of reasons now why it wouldn't have worked out.
Good luck to you sir, especially with all the helpful comments from TL^^.
On November 12 2008 09:32 Nytefish wrote: In a way I'm glad I don't "think" like you. My world isn't lonely and most problems have straightforward solutions.
unfortunately this kind of thinking gets you divorced 1 or 5 years of misery down the line.
You're making quite a lot of assumptions. :S
Sorry if I'm just a simpleton who can't understand your superior level of relationship.
I'd have to agree with Nytefish here.
What exactly does your 'thinking' (tika) have to do with marriage anyways? Are you trying to say that a love which permeates every aspect of your life is necessary for marriage? I'd have to say most couples prefer a more pragmatic approach.
On November 12 2008 09:51 ktp wrote: You are not in love with her, you simply desire her. If you truely love her, whether she loves you back or not matters very little. Once you start to grasp this concept, then your feelings will subside and everything will be wonderful again.
the problem with this is however my conscious mind feels, my spontaenious body reacts completely beside my control. understand? this is the strength i'm talking about, fighting against ones instinct, animality, ones unconsciousness, for the good of another
On November 12 2008 09:32 Nytefish wrote: In a way I'm glad I don't "think" like you. My world isn't lonely and most problems have straightforward solutions.
unfortunately this kind of thinking gets you divorced 1 or 5 years of misery down the line.
You're making quite a lot of assumptions. :S
Sorry if I'm just a simpleton who can't understand your superior level of relationship.
I'd have to agree with Nytefish here.
What exactly does your 'thinking' (tika) have to do with marriage anyways? Are you trying to say that a love which permeates every aspect of your life is necessary for marriage? I'd have to say most couples prefer a more pragmatic approach.
no i'm just pointing out that for example (and im getting angry now) THIS fucking relationship isn't so similar to all the others you seem to know so much about.
oh and i dont eat cereal but might start soon. im thinking of just guzzling extremely expensive protein shakes unless you can come up with an attractive, effortless alternative. (fuck i love crunchy nut though.)
Guys let's not be so mean to tika: -he is pretty new to TL and doesn't understand which posts should be where -he is young and inexperienced, doesn't know that what he describes is very common -he isn't used to how people respond here (like blowing up to "sir", which is often used in a joking way on TL)
This should be put back in blogs right away in my opinion.
@tika: most people go through this at some time or another. It is very significant at the time, but not uncommon. You must stay friends with this person. What will happen over time is that your romanic feelings will weaken and then all of a sudden you will discover someone else, and then they will disappear completely. Feelings for close friends can provide a sense of security to your emotional life but as soon as another good opportunity (ie girl) presents itself (herself), these feelings will often just vanish. All you need is patience and resolve.
On November 12 2008 09:32 Nytefish wrote: In a way I'm glad I don't "think" like you. My world isn't lonely and most problems have straightforward solutions.
unfortunately this kind of thinking gets you divorced 1 or 5 years of misery down the line.
You're making quite a lot of assumptions. :S
Sorry if I'm just a simpleton who can't understand your superior level of relationship.
I'd have to agree with Nytefish here.
What exactly does your 'thinking' (tika) have to do with marriage anyways? Are you trying to say that a love which permeates every aspect of your life is necessary for marriage? I'd have to say most couples prefer a more pragmatic approach.
no i'm just pointing out that for example (and im getting angry now) THIS fucking relationship isn't so similar to all the others you seem to know so much about.
I hope when I'm 34 I seek relational advice from anonymous video game enthusiasts on an internet forum. That way I can just insult their inferiority so that I can feel better about myself. Because I wasn't actually looking for advice, I was just looking for people to feel sorry for my uniquely tragic situation that they have absolutely no chance of comprehending. If I wanted advice, I'd write a blog so that only people that actually gave a shit would reply.
On November 12 2008 09:51 ktp wrote: You are not in love with her, you simply desire her. If you truely love her, whether she loves you back or not matters very little. Once you start to grasp this concept, then your feelings will subside and everything will be wonderful again.
the problem with this is however my conscious mind feels, my spontaenious body reacts completely beside my control. understand? this is the strength i'm talking about, fighting against ones instinct, animality, ones unconsciousness, for the good of another
If you can't win a battle like that, don't bother getting female friends in the first place. Friends stay friends, just let the feelings vanish. Be more like Mr Spock, son.
On November 12 2008 09:50 Gene wrote: lmao i had this exact same experience three days ago
you are not unique
time to grow up man up and get the fuck over it
the girl actually said to me "Listen, you're making my boyfriend incredibly jealous and he doesnt deserve to be unhappy like that. You're cute, i like you, if i were single we would be a lot different. But its done. Stop. If you can't just be friends, its over entirely."
time to move on big guy
ouch...
@ op: give it up man. take everyone's advice and move on. You'll look back at this and cringe at how late it took you to realize the simple solution.
On November 12 2008 10:01 inlagdsil wrote: Guys let's not be so mean to tika: -he is pretty new to TL and doesn't understand which posts should be where -he is young and inexperienced, doesn't know that what he describes is very common -he isn't used to how people respond here (like blowing up to "sir", which is often used in a joking way on TL)
This should be put back in blogs right away in my opinion.
@tika: most people go through this at some time or another. It is very significant at the time, but not uncommon. You must stay friends with this person. What will happen over time is that your romanic feelings will weaken and then all of a sudden you will discover someone else, and then they will disappear completely. Feelings for close friends can provide a sense of security to your emotional life but as soon as another good opportunity (ie girl) presents itself (herself), these feelings will often just vanish. All you need is patience and resolve.
thanks for the encouragement altho u must realise it does not appear as "encouragement" to me but simply as a positive attitude that i do not necessarily agree with. there are ALWAYS alternatives and certainly there are alternatives to this obvious and seemingly careless approach to life. u must understand that myself and this girl are...thinkers who aim to resolve their issues in the most rational way possible. this means a LOT of consideration is involved, hence me opening this topic to the various points of view available on this website
first of all you should do some sophisticated thinking of yours and discover that you and your problems are rather average and common. than you should think farther to see that this fact doesnt demean you in any way.
On November 12 2008 10:07 aqui wrote: first of all you should do some sophisticated thinking of yours and discover that you and your problems are rather average and common. than you should think farther to see that this fact doesnt demean you in any way.
oh i am quite comfortable with that since i have been thru it many a time, there comes a point in ones life that causes u to search even beyond this however
On November 12 2008 10:01 inlagdsil wrote: Guys let's not be so mean to tika: -he is pretty new to TL and doesn't understand which posts should be where -he is young and inexperienced, doesn't know that what he describes is very common -he isn't used to how people respond here (like blowing up to "sir", which is often used in a joking way on TL)
This should be put back in blogs right away in my opinion.
@tika: most people go through this at some time or another. It is very significant at the time, but not uncommon. You must stay friends with this person. What will happen over time is that your romanic feelings will weaken and then all of a sudden you will discover someone else, and then they will disappear completely. Feelings for close friends can provide a sense of security to your emotional life but as soon as another good opportunity (ie girl) presents itself (herself), these feelings will often just vanish. All you need is patience and resolve.
thanks for the encouragement altho u must realise it does not appear as "encouragement" to me but simply as a positive attitude that i do not necessarily agree with. there are ALWAYS alternatives and certainly there are alternatives to this obvious and seemingly careless approach to life. u must understand that myself and this girl are...thinkers who aim to resolve their issues in the most rational way possible. this means a LOT of consideration is involved, hence me opening this topic to the various points of view available on this website
I'm sorry that our experiences only involve us simpletons and our mildly retarded friends. Alas! you have achieved a level of intellect we could only dream about. Perhaps you should seek advice on the MENSA forums.
On November 12 2008 09:54 aseq wrote: Hmmm i've been in a similar predicament, I really loved this girl, she lived in the same dorm as me, and we'd do virtually everything together...She knew about my feelings for her, but it wasn't mutual. We always did everything together, we'd eat together like 5 times a week and go clubbing twice a week. We'd talk for hours, sometimes till 5AM even tho we'd have to work the next day. It was awesome, but also very difficult at times for me.
She's probably the one who seeks contact the most, as she enjoys your company (a lot). It's a very mixed feeling, on one hard you'd like to be with her all of the time, on the other hard you know it's better no to hang out so much since you will keep feeling something for her. Do make sure that you respect yourself. You're not going to have a relationship with this girl, so make sure that the effort you put in isn't with that intention. Stand up a bit for yourself, and give yourself some space to meet other girls as well...although that may seem difficult, when compared to other girls this one will always come out on top in your mind.
Mind you, this happened to me when i was 25, it's definitely not something that only happens to younger ppl. I still see her sometimes, but not that often anymore. Looking back, i remember a lot of fun we had, but it also feels like a lot of wasted time...and although it's too bad it never happened, i can see a lot of reasons now why it wouldn't have worked out.
Good luck to you sir, especially with all the helpful comments from TL^^.
I had a similar experience as him, the best advice is definitely to GET TO THE POINT with her, see how she feels, and if the feeling isn't reciprocated, get the hell out of there. Don't try and be super close friends anymore either, just stay in touch every now and then. The world is too big to get stuck in limbo mode with 1 girl, you'll just end up with many regrets and feel as if you wasted so much time being naive. It's too easy to get stuck daydreaming about the perfect romantic ending that you see in the movies, but real life is not like that.
Move along, there are more important things in life than a girl that doesn't return your feelings.
On November 12 2008 09:50 Gene wrote: lmao i had this exact same experience three days ago
you are not unique
time to grow up man up and get the fuck over it
the girl actually said to me "Listen, you're making my boyfriend incredibly jealous and he doesnt deserve to be unhappy like that. You're cute, i like you, if i were single we would be a lot different. But its done. Stop. If you can't just be friends, its over entirely."
time to move on big guy
ouch...
@ op: give it up man. take everyone's advice and move on. You'll look back at this and cringe at how late it took you to realize the simple solution.
even the carebares teach that the simple answer, altho it may reach A goal, doesnt necessarily reach the ultimate goal. unfortunately in philosophy there is always a higher level of thinking, and therefore a higher level of peace/happiness/self improvement (enlightenment) to strive to.
i could just end it all here one way or another, like so many others may have done. or, i could explore, like countless thousands of people have attempted. sorry if im not satisfied by your dumbed down or simplistic or obvious resolutions. there is always something more. how else do you consider those sciences or philosophies or psychologies or psychiatries that you , right now, have no hope of comprehending? this is what makes me , and her, different from you, and why you are not able to help me.
On November 12 2008 10:07 tika wrote: thanks for the encouragement altho u must realise it does not appear as "encouragement" to me but simply as a positive attitude that i do not necessarily agree with. there are ALWAYS alternatives and certainly there are alternatives to this obvious and seemingly careless approach to life. u must understand that myself and this girl are...thinkers who aim to resolve their issues in the most rational way possible. this means a LOT of consideration is involved, hence me opening this topic to the various points of view available on this website
You're over-complicating your problem. Stop. If you truly acknowledge that your situation is not unique, then you should realize why this simple solution that's been posed to you is the way to go. Of the hundreds and thousands of time that this problem has been faced by people like you, this is the one that has the best outcome. No matter how much of a "thinker" you think you are, a real thinker recognizes that empirical knowledge trumps any sort of analysis or philosophizing. You're not special. Trying to "think" your way through this isn't going to help you come across some magical solution that hasn't been tried and failed before.
You want someone to tell you that there's some way to make her love you; that somehow, if you maintain your resolve, she'll change for you. Stop deluding yourself. You have no control over her emotions, and attempting to assert such control will simply ruin your relationship.
you're a fucking pussy but at least you'll never pick up an STD. more power to you.
also, the girl probably thinks you're a fucking creeper that just pretends to be her friend but actually wants to fuck her in the ass. because that's what you are.
On November 12 2008 10:01 inlagdsil wrote: Guys let's not be so mean to tika: -he is pretty new to TL and doesn't understand which posts should be where -he is young and inexperienced, doesn't know that what he describes is very common -he isn't used to how people respond here (like blowing up to "sir", which is often used in a joking way on TL)
This should be put back in blogs right away in my opinion.
@tika: most people go through this at some time or another. It is very significant at the time, but not uncommon. You must stay friends with this person. What will happen over time is that your romanic feelings will weaken and then all of a sudden you will discover someone else, and then they will disappear completely. Feelings for close friends can provide a sense of security to your emotional life but as soon as another good opportunity (ie girl) presents itself (herself), these feelings will often just vanish. All you need is patience and resolve.
thanks for the encouragement altho u must realise it does not appear as "encouragement" to me but simply as a positive attitude that i do not necessarily agree with. there are ALWAYS alternatives and certainly there are alternatives to this obvious and seemingly careless approach to life. u must understand that myself and this girl are...thinkers who aim to resolve their issues in the most rational way possible. this means a LOT of consideration is involved, hence me opening this topic to the various points of view available on this website
I would be interested to see a more rational way of dealing with your predicament. I am encouraging you by saying that "things will work out for you", not that "you will get the girl". Here is a thought: how will you react if she gets a boyfriend? Your careful "consideration" must take into account damage reduction for everyone. Would you get very jealous? Not only are you imprisoned by your emotions, but you might also be imprisoning her. You don't want advice, so I am just giving you these things to think about. By the way, calling the two of you "thinkers" comes off as pretentious and condescending, which is probably not what you intended. Now life has caught up with me and I must log off TL, so don't expect a prompt reply.
EDIT oh fuck you actually are pretentious. Don't waste people's precious procrastination time if you will just talk down to anything they say. Unless, of course, you can prove to us that you are a vastly superior being...
On November 12 2008 09:32 Nytefish wrote: In a way I'm glad I don't "think" like you. My world isn't lonely and most problems have straightforward solutions.
unfortunately this kind of thinking gets you divorced 1 or 5 years of misery down the line.
You're making quite a lot of assumptions. :S
Sorry if I'm just a simpleton who can't understand your superior level of relationship.
I'd have to agree with Nytefish here.
What exactly does your 'thinking' (tika) have to do with marriage anyways? Are you trying to say that a love which permeates every aspect of your life is necessary for marriage? I'd have to say most couples prefer a more pragmatic approach.
no i'm just pointing out that for example (and im getting angry now) THIS fucking relationship isn't so similar to all the others you seem to know so much about.
What is your basis for saying that yours isn't similar? I mean there are only so many variables that can come together to form a relationship. I'm not disagreeing with your uniqueness as a person or that of the individual you like; What I do believe though is that if you are trying to be objective and actually obtain something of value from your OP you should try to take the effort to indicate what you feel and why and provide a basis other than mere emotions. Emotions aren't a relationship or even the indication of one, its just infatuation. As that's the case I can see why you would be frustrated - especially as you can't seem to provide anything to help people give you advice.
I mean if you are looking for support without a resolution or opportunities for one you should just say you want that - not bash everyone who posts in your thread.
EDIT: I guess you do so you don't want advice but your subsequent posts seem to want the advice not 'other stories'.
On November 12 2008 09:24 Jibba wrote: My post in the blog is dead serious. She knows that you want to be in a relationship and she's gone as far as to say you should end it if you can't handle just being friends, so you are definitely stuck in the friend zone. You're only going to forget about her by 1) not being friends anymore or 2) start a relationship with someone else. #2 is obviously the better choice if you haven't been intimate before.
no offense but in the "real world", at least between people who "think" as much as myself and my associates do, this is a very very ....unsophisticated, black and white way of thinking. if you are in a relationship with someone who is very thoughtful and intelligent, answers, paths, aren't so clearcut.
edit: this isn't america where relationships sprout and end on a whim. we put real value into our lives and what we do and what we experience.
OP: The thing you have to realize is that you aren't being given the simple answer because people are trying to coddle you, or escape the real problem. You're being given the simple answer because, empirically, its the best solution.
On November 12 2008 09:50 Gene wrote: lmao i had this exact same experience three days ago
you are not unique
time to grow up man up and get the fuck over it
the girl actually said to me "Listen, you're making my boyfriend incredibly jealous and he doesnt deserve to be unhappy like that. You're cute, i like you, if i were single we would be a lot different. But its done. Stop. If you can't just be friends, its over entirely."
time to move on big guy
ouch...
@ op: give it up man. take everyone's advice and move on. You'll look back at this and cringe at how late it took you to realize the simple solution.
even the carebares teach that the simple answer, altho it may reach A goal, doesnt necessarily reach the ultimate goal. unfortunately in philosophy there is always a higher level of thinking, and therefore a higher level of peace/happiness/self improvement (enlightenment) to strive to.
i could just end it all here one way or another, like so many others may have done. or, i could explore, like countless thousands of people have attempted. sorry if im not satisfied by your dumbed down or simplistic or obvious resolutions. there is always something more. how else do you consider those sciences or philosophies or psychologies or psychiatries that you , right now, have no hope of comprehending? this is what makes me , and her, different from you, and why you are not able to help me.
you truly have shown that you arent the superior here by how you judge peoples intellect. there are times for idealistic approaches and some for pragmatic ones. if you think you can live your life on your higher plane you are so naive that it hurts.
Fourier expansions are such beautiful mathematical tools. Who would know that you can approximate periodic functions with a sum of linearly independent eigenvectors that happen to be sines and cosines? When you first see Taylor series, you tell yourself "wow, that's how calculators do it". Then when you hear about Fourier expansions "wow, neat-o", now I can approximate all sorts of crap. Then that gets developed into Fourier series, and you discover: hey, if I bunch together the differential operators into one linear operator, define it as Hermitian and use the principle of superposition, I can solve partial differential equations now! This thread is now officially about infinite series.
On November 12 2008 09:24 Jibba wrote: My post in the blog is dead serious. She knows that you want to be in a relationship and she's gone as far as to say you should end it if you can't handle just being friends, so you are definitely stuck in the friend zone. You're only going to forget about her by 1) not being friends anymore or 2) start a relationship with someone else. #2 is obviously the better choice if you haven't been intimate before.
no offense but in the "real world", at least between people who "think" as much as myself and my associates do, this is a very very ....unsophisticated, black and white way of thinking. if you are in a relationship with someone who is very thoughtful and intelligent, answers, paths, aren't so clearcut.
edit: this isn't america where relationships sprout and end on a whim. we put real value into our lives and what we do and what we experience.
Ok now this is gonna be a nations war...
Germany vs America go go go!
stop that, his edit is certainly not describing germany oO
my girl had a boyfriend, i didnt let it stop me. she told me to stop once, i did for a day, went back at it and she fell right back in to my arms. this went on for months. she finally made up her mind and told me it was done and she wasnt going to fuck up again.
this is when a man has to have some respect for the woman he is in love with and back the fuck off
its an incredibly similar situation, and in fact did happen to me just three days ago. you arent superior, special, above all of it, or in your own little world. im sorry it didnt work out for you. it probably wont in the future either.
i have a friend thats been trying to get with a girl for two years. he's entirely in love with her. he's well past his prime time to ask her out. they're together 24/7. He never had the balls to say anything to her, still doesnt. He knows that. He knows he's making a mistake with every day that goes by. And its not going to change. If he knew better he'd move on.
On November 12 2008 09:50 Gene wrote: lmao i had this exact same experience three days ago
you are not unique
time to grow up man up and get the fuck over it
the girl actually said to me "Listen, you're making my boyfriend incredibly jealous and he doesnt deserve to be unhappy like that. You're cute, i like you, if i were single we would be a lot different. But its done. Stop. If you can't just be friends, its over entirely."
time to move on big guy
ouch...
@ op: give it up man. take everyone's advice and move on. You'll look back at this and cringe at how late it took you to realize the simple solution.
even the carebares teach that the simple answer, altho it may reach A goal, doesnt necessarily reach the ultimate goal. unfortunately in philosophy there is always a higher level of thinking, and therefore a higher level of peace/happiness/self improvement (enlightenment) to strive to.
i could just end it all here one way or another, like so many others may have done. or, i could explore, like countless thousands of people have attempted. sorry if im not satisfied by your dumbed down or simplistic or obvious resolutions. there is always something more. how else do you consider those sciences or philosophies or psychologies or psychiatries that you , right now, have no hope of comprehending? this is what makes me , and her, different from you, and why you are not able to help me.
you truly have shown that you arent the superior here by how you judge peoples intellect. there are times for idealistic approaches and some for pragmatic ones. if you think you can live your life on your higher plane you are so naive that it hurts.
nope, i just think its essential, especially on this forum (not saying any other is better or worse) to throw this concept out there and see what comes back at me
don't misundertand, i've said enough times that she is of a higher level of thinking to not find "controlling selfish men" attractive. this is practically like the buddhist monks who see past sexuality in order to reach a higher level of enlightenment. it's virtually unfathomable to most of us. not saying this is what she is experiencing, but practically this is how i feel she views things right now.
On November 12 2008 10:45 azndsh wrote: Is the OP being serious? ... because Honey Nut Cheerios are the best. Cheerios mate!
wtf did i say? honey nut loops theyre called anyway. frosted flakes i forgot their real name. we shud so have a breakfast marathon...
1) 1x weatbix, moderate milk, moderate sugar 2) small bowl rice crispies 3) large bowl kellogs frosties 4) large bowl honey nut shit 5) calm-down bowl of shredded wheat full size, sugar 6) warm-up with classic cheerios 7) omg interjection with porridge!!!!!!!!!!!!!! high sugar. 8) fuck it and go for the full cooked english breakfast 9) smoke a joint 10) wake up, repeat. gg?
On November 12 2008 10:43 tika wrote: to be honest this all beggars the question..
and should have been the FIRST and perhaps ONLY question any of you should have put forward...
"what is there about you that she should/can/does find attractive (for a female) about you to make her physically attracted to you?"
i cant believe this simple simple question hasn't arisen. really.
Its irrelevant. The only relevant matter is that she isn't attracted to you in the way that you are to her. Trying to MAKE her love you, regardless of how "right" you think you are for her is selfish, likely to fail, and could make things worse than they are.
EDIT: if you rephrase the question you just asked, its basically saying "ask me what makes me awesome," which is one of the most selfish things you could be asking us right now.
If you really care about her you'll realise she'd have a more fulfilling relationship with someone she liked romantically more. Seems like she's outta your league tbh
by the way guys yes im very provocative in some aspects (i've been "trolling"/debating online since 98'') but i do sincerely believe when i refer to terms like "enlightenment". please refer to my thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81813 , my 2nd post is an indication (and by no means might you be assured to comprehend fully what this feeling is)
On November 12 2008 10:43 tika wrote: to be honest this all beggars the question..
and should have been the FIRST and perhaps ONLY question any of you should have put forward...
"what is there about you that she should/can/does find attractive (for a female) about you to make her physically attracted to you?"
i cant believe this simple simple question hasn't arisen. really.
Its irrelevant. The only relevant matter is that she isn't attracted to you in the way that you are to her. Trying to MAKE her love you, regardless of how "right" you think you are for her is selfish, likely to fail, and could make things worse than they are.
EDIT: if you rephrase the question you just asked, its basically saying "ask me what makes me awesome," which is one of the most selfish things you could be asking us right now.
yes but it's also a very important question that you guys shudda been asking like 100 years ago rather than spouting your very easily rebuked BS in the last 4 pages. LATCHING ON YET??
ultimately, it doesn't matter what the girl thinks, or how she might like someone else, or she might reject you, whatever. if a man is determined, he can get any girl he wants given enough time and self confidence.
so don't be a little bitch, put a smile on your face and just love her.
On November 12 2008 10:43 tika wrote: to be honest this all beggars the question..
and should have been the FIRST and perhaps ONLY question any of you should have put forward...
"what is there about you that she should/can/does find attractive (for a female) about you to make her physically attracted to you?"
i cant believe this simple simple question hasn't arisen. really.
Its irrelevant. The only relevant matter is that she isn't attracted to you in the way that you are to her. Trying to MAKE her love you, regardless of how "right" you think you are for her is selfish, likely to fail, and could make things worse than they are.
EDIT: if you rephrase the question you just asked, its basically saying "ask me what makes me awesome," which is one of the most selfish things you could be asking us right now.
yes but it's also a very important question that you guys shudda been asking like 100 years ago rather than spouting your very easily rebuked BS in the last 4 pages. LATCHING ON YET??
Wait slow down.
You start by saying
yes
Implying that you agree with my saying
Its irrelevant.
But then you continue to say
it's also a very important question
Its both irrelevant and very important?
On November 12 2008 10:58 tika wrote: remember when i said i don't need/want your advice? WHOOPS.
So you put this entire thread out here so that we can ask you to expound your own virtues?
I believe that qualifies as trolling. Close thread?
On November 12 2008 10:56 d_so wrote: let me tell you something.
ultimately, it doesn't matter what the girl thinks, or how she might like someone else, or she might reject you, whatever. if a man is determined, he can get any girl he wants given enough time and self confidence.
so don't be a little bitch, put a smile on your face and just love her.
I'm trying to understand the OP's train of thought here, and this is what I've got so far:
tika: bawwwwww, she doesn't like me as a potential boyfriend tika: What should I do to make myself feel better? tika: I know, I can post about girls on a website dedicated to following pro South Korean starcraft! tika: This is sure to make people jealous of me, because all starcraft players are nerds and have no girlfriends, so they will look up to me and make me feel better about myself tike: Even though this forum is well known for banning people, I'm sure I'm so special that the mods will make an exception for me that I'll post this twice, just to make sure nobody can ignore it.
(Note: some inaccuracies are present, most notably the fact that I can't bring myself to type in all lowercase letters like tika does)
Congratulations, you're a fucking retard. We don't want you here. Try this website instead, you pathetic trash.
On November 12 2008 11:00 CDRdude wrote: I'm trying to understand the OP's train of thought here, and this is what I've got so far:
tika: bawwwwww, she doesn't like me as a potential boyfriend tika: What should I do to make myself feel better? tika: I know, I can post about girls on a website dedicated to following pro South Korean starcraft! tika: This is sure to make people jealous of me, because all starcraft players are nerds and have no girlfriends, so they will look up to me and make me feel better about myself tike: Even though this forum is well known for banning people, I'm sure I'm so special that the mods will make an exception for me that I'll post this twice, just to make sure nobody can ignore it.
(Note: some inaccuracies are present, most notably the fact that I can't bring myself to type in all lowercase letters like tika does)
Congratulations, you're a fucking retard. We don't want you here. Try this website instead, you pathetic trash.
awww, come on. I know what this feels like too. Stop hating on his feelings. :/
On November 12 2008 11:02 SiegeTanksandBlueGoo wrote: awww, come on. I know what this feels like too. Stop hating on his feelings. :/
Its more that he's attempting to approach this from a high-minded, idealistic, elitist angle than his actual emotions that's eliciting this reaction. Accepting the experiences of others as relevant instead of tossing them aside as the actions of people centered on base emotions instead of "thinkers" would probably get him a lot farther in the minds of his detractors.
On November 12 2008 11:00 CDRdude wrote: I'm trying to understand the OP's train of thought here, and this is what I've got so far:
tika: bawwwwww, she doesn't like me as a potential boyfriend tika: What should I do to make myself feel better? tika: I know, I can post about girls on a website dedicated to following pro South Korean starcraft! tika: This is sure to make people jealous of me, because all starcraft players are nerds and have no girlfriends, so they will look up to me and make me feel better about myself tike: Even though this forum is well known for banning people, I'm sure I'm so special that the mods will make an exception for me that I'll post this twice, just to make sure nobody can ignore it.
(Note: some inaccuracies are present, most notably the fact that I can't bring myself to type in all lowercase letters like tika does)
Congratulations, you're a fucking retard. We don't want you here. Try this website instead, you pathetic trash.
awww, come on. I know what this feels like too. Stop hating on his feelings. :/
I'm not hating on his feelings, I'm hating on him.
On November 12 2008 11:04 SiegeTanksandBlueGoo wrote: Love is like a river, flowing and smooth, but overwhelming. Drowning you beneath its titanic forces and soothing your wounds at the same time.
On November 12 2008 11:02 SiegeTanksandBlueGoo wrote: awww, come on. I know what this feels like too. Stop hating on his feelings. :/
Its more that he's attempting to approach this from a high-minded, idealistic, elitist angle than his actual emotions that's eliciting this reaction. Accepting the experiences of others as relevant instead of tossing them aside as the actions of people centered on base emotions instead of "thinkers" would probably get him a lot farther in the minds of his detractors.
oops, I just read the first part and skipped to the end.
On November 12 2008 11:02 SiegeTanksandBlueGoo wrote: awww, come on. I know what this feels like too. Stop hating on his feelings. :/
Its more that he's attempting to approach this from a high-minded, idealistic, elitist angle than his actual emotions that's eliciting this reaction. Accepting the experiences of others as relevant instead of tossing them aside as the actions of people centered on base emotions instead of "thinkers" would probably get him a lot farther in the minds of his detractors.
problem is the girl/person in question is also attempting to approach her relationships in the same manner as me =)
I don't know if you guys get this cereal over in America or wherever you live, but damn i love me some FROSTIES!!!
I reckon they are so good that if tika flew over to Australia bought some and gave them to this girl, the instant she ate some they would make sweet sweet love right on the spot^^.
Btw in a serious response theres two types of ppl in the world, though you would properly consider this really dumb or borderline retarded, theres the do'ers and the thinkers. You sir, are a thinker. Contemplating about this issue instead of acting upon it will do nothing. I will admit I was pretty obsessive about the girls I used to like/love (whether you think you feel) and its unhealthy, you just narrow down your mind, which is very contradicting to your oh so open-minded/must-be-another-solution omgzzzz/philosophical crap you've shown here.
Move on, it will help you in the future, unless you really just want that one-gina than hell go for it, not like I really care that much, thats my advice take it or leave it. Also stop thinking so much, there is so many things logical CANNOT explain, for example have you LOGICALLY thought about WHY YOU ARE SO IN LOVE WITH HER THAT YOU CAN'T MOVE ON?!
She's told you how she feels why than, LOGICALLY should you cling on to her? And by now, theres 5 pages of replies, some of which were the "stories" you were looking for, if you can't see by now that what you've experienced is very common, than I think you need to consider whether we or you are retarded. Reality can construct thoughts and dreams, but can your thoughts and dreams construct reality? No? It is because you've been sitting on your ass going, umm what if.....err she said this and that? Or have you actually tried something and it didn't work?
In the end, unless something drastic happens and she does develop feelings for you, it's....(queue dramatic music)...OVER!
On November 12 2008 11:06 tika wrote: problem is the girl/person in question is also attempting to approach her relationships in the same manner as me =)
That doesn't in any way alter either solution presented to you though. Neither of them are dependent on her being stingy about her lovers (in fact, it makes those solutions more viable because it lowers the probability that you can somehow "convince" her to love you).
On November 12 2008 11:07 jidojazerg wrote: rofl at the gosugamers link... don't know how many ppl caught that.
I half-expected a 4chan link, but GG.net is an appropriate response too.
On November 12 2008 11:04 QuietIdiot wrote: Shut the fuck up To OP
you're one to talk. stop thinking you have it all together just because you've been through some harsh shit. life is a journey, it doesn't HAVE stop at age 23 you know. it does stop there for many, but for many others our enlightenment can be endless. why do you think there are monks sitting in solitude still contemplating our existance after 50 years?
you're one to talk. stop thinking you have it all together just because you've been through some harsh shit. life is a journey, it doesn't HAVE stop at age 23 you know. it does stop there for many, but for many others our enlightenment can be endless. why do you think there are monks sitting in solitude still contemplating our existance after 50 years?
You make yourself really hard to like. I hope that answers any concerns you may have.
I'd give you a story, but I've never hopelessly led myself on. Get over her and move on and if there's really something there then it will come up down the road. You can't force her to develop feelings for you that are not there. Move on and if she ends up having feelings for you down the road, then let her approach you then, otherwise just ignore it.
Edit: Cookie Crisp is definitely the best cereal in the world BTW.
On November 12 2008 11:06 tika wrote: problem is the girl/person in question is also attempting to approach her relationships in the same manner as me =)
That doesn't in any way alter either solution presented to you though. Neither of them are dependent on her being stingy about her lovers (in fact, it makes those solutions more viable because it lowers the probability that you can somehow "convince" her to love you).
On November 12 2008 11:07 jidojazerg wrote: rofl at the gosugamers link... don't know how many ppl caught that.
I half-expected a 4chan link, but GG.net is an appropriate response too.
i dont expect to convince her to love me. i hope to grow in enlightenment as she has , as we are now, and through that perhaps become closer. what you don't fucking comprehend is the significance of enlightenment. start by reading "the celestine prophecy", infact start by having a severe psychotic breakdown and work your way up from there =p if it weren't for a single person named Stimey i would probably be in a hospital by now, and you all know how fucked up he appeared to the masses.
On November 12 2008 11:02 SiegeTanksandBlueGoo wrote: awww, come on. I know what this feels like too. Stop hating on his feelings. :/
Its more that he's attempting to approach this from a high-minded, idealistic, elitist angle than his actual emotions that's eliciting this reaction. Accepting the experiences of others as relevant instead of tossing them aside as the actions of people centered on base emotions instead of "thinkers" would probably get him a lot farther in the minds of his detractors.
problem is the girl/person in question is also attempting to approach her relationships in the same manner as me =)
stop smiling like a fag.
probably why you're getting owned so hard.
men, we have dicks. which means we ARE dicks, literally through possession, and figuratively through the connotation of what "being a dick" means.
which means if you think you're gonna win out by being a nice lil pussy boy, you're completely wrong.
now, every relationship has their own strats and such. kinda like starcraft. but being an overly nice, smiley lil faggot is like drawing pylon hearts everywhere, every game.
you might win one in a million like that, but for all practical purposes if you wanna beat her, you gotta employ a strat that has a realistic chance of winning. and yes, relationships are games. when she asks you if you want to just stop being friends or whatever, what she's actually saying is "why don't you uninstall starcraft and be a quitter you fucking pussy."
you're one to talk. stop thinking you have it all together just because you've been through some harsh shit. life is a journey, it doesn't HAVE stop at age 23 you know. it does stop there for many, but for many others our enlightenment can be endless. why do you think there are monks sitting in solitude still contemplating our existance after 50 years?
You make yourself really hard to like. I hope that answers any concerns you may have.
working in the most public of sectors for over a year , in possibly the most caring and humanist job in the 1st world, i really dont give a shit how "certain people" view me. maybe that explains how hostile i can be to some
you're one to talk. stop thinking you have it all together just because you've been through some harsh shit. life is a journey, it doesn't HAVE stop at age 23 you know. it does stop there for many, but for many others our enlightenment can be endless. why do you think there are monks sitting in solitude still contemplating our existance after 50 years?
On November 12 2008 11:10 tube wrote: wow. ^---this is ridiculously stupid
On November 12 2008 11:02 SiegeTanksandBlueGoo wrote: awww, come on. I know what this feels like too. Stop hating on his feelings. :/
Its more that he's attempting to approach this from a high-minded, idealistic, elitist angle than his actual emotions that's eliciting this reaction. Accepting the experiences of others as relevant instead of tossing them aside as the actions of people centered on base emotions instead of "thinkers" would probably get him a lot farther in the minds of his detractors.
problem is the girl/person in question is also attempting to approach her relationships in the same manner as me =)
stop smiling like a fag.
probably why you're getting owned so hard.
men, we have dicks. which means we ARE dicks, literally through possession, and figuratively through the connotation of what "being a dick" means.
which means if you think you're gonna win out by being a nice lil pussy boy, you're completely wrong.
now, every relationship has their own strats and such. kinda like starcraft. but being an overly nice, smiley lil faggot is like drawing pylon hearts everywhere, every game.
you might win one in a million like that, but for all practical purposes if you wanna beat her, you gotta employ a strat that has a realistic chance of winning. and yes, relationships are games. when she asks you if you want to just stop being friends or whatever, what she's actually saying is "why don't you uninstall starcraft and be a quitter you fucking pussy."
edit: added "a"
what happens when you meet a girl who looks down on this philosophy to the point of shitting on it and smiling
The monks are there because people long for some reason to our existence, an age old question we will probably never answer. Our inquisitive nature as humans wants us to understand things, but when we find the answer sometimes we can't/don't want to comprehend it. See a pattern?
On November 12 2008 11:02 SiegeTanksandBlueGoo wrote: awww, come on. I know what this feels like too. Stop hating on his feelings. :/
Its more that he's attempting to approach this from a high-minded, idealistic, elitist angle than his actual emotions that's eliciting this reaction. Accepting the experiences of others as relevant instead of tossing them aside as the actions of people centered on base emotions instead of "thinkers" would probably get him a lot farther in the minds of his detractors.
problem is the girl/person in question is also attempting to approach her relationships in the same manner as me =)
stop smiling like a fag.
probably why you're getting owned so hard.
men, we have dicks. which means we ARE dicks, literally through possession, and figuratively through the connotation of what "being a dick" means.
which means if you think you're gonna win out by being a nice lil pussy boy, you're completely wrong.
now, every relationship has their own strats and such. kinda like starcraft. but being an overly nice, smiley lil faggot is like drawing pylon hearts everywhere, every game.
you might win one in a million like that, but for all practical purposes if you wanna beat her, you gotta employ a strat that has a realistic chance of winning. and yes, relationships are games. when she asks you if you want to just stop being friends or whatever, what she's actually saying is "why don't you uninstall starcraft and be a quitter you fucking pussy."
No more attention for you. If you ask for advice don't be so argumentative when people give it. If you want to argue, feel free to start a blog. Thanks.
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