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On October 01 2008 20:12 Servolisk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2008 14:29 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
If I were to say that the Holocaust never happened, would you call me an idiot and walk away, or would you sit down and have a debate about my view points?
If you call me and idiot, it's because I'm saying bullshit and you don't need to debate about what that smell is.
If you debate with me, you admit that I have worthy points to make and that the Holocaust never happening is a legitimate and debatable viewpoint. They're not debating the Holocaust. I'm not sure if that was a random example or you are saying it because Iran hosted some Holocaust debate event and you are saying that talking to them at all legitimizes Holocaust denial. Even if I were to take your example, having such an argument does not admit that Holocaust denial is legitimate. I'm sure if you think for a minute you can recall yourself entertaining conversations where you did not consider the opposing view legitimate. And even if I accepted that argument it still wouldn't be analogous. There is something tangible for us to gain by negotiating. To avoid enormous benefit for the sake of not legitimizing a point of view is plainly stupid. You still did not give an answer for what the consequences of legitimizing Iran's positions would be. What possible outcome, specifically, is so dangerous? Hurt feelings? To be perfectly fair, he didn't deny the Holocaust. He said the usage of German gas rooms is overplayed or something.
He's still wrong, but he's an idiot. We're all familiar with what it's like to have an idiot for a President. It doesn't mean you hold it against the populace they represent.
Palin endorses Hamas!
http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1025503.html
No, not really. But if you want to be a big supporter of democracy in the middle east, like she is, you have to accept that Hamas has legitimacy.
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On October 01 2008 13:18 wswordsmen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2008 13:12 Clutch3 wrote:On October 01 2008 09:40 Savio wrote:I just like to keep you guys on your toes and a little bit worried. I don't want anyone getting comfortable + Show Spoiler +New ABC News/Washington Post national poll conducted after the debate (Sept 27-29) shows that John McCain has picked up 5 points on Barack Obama during the last week, moving from a nine-point deficit to trailing by four:
Obama 50 (-2 vs. last poll Sept 19-22)
McCain 46 (+3)
Obama leads by 4.8% in the RCP National Average.
According to the poll, McCain has regained the lead among key swing groups: Independents favor McCain by 3 (48-45), white women by 11 (54-43), and white Catholics by one (47-46). McCain is still holding on to 20% of Democrats who voted for Hillary Clinton in the primaries, while 70% are supporting Obama. This poll is an outlier. Actually, the earlier poll was really the outlier. Four other major polls have shown Obama holding or picking up support over the past few days (this includes a summary of Gallup, Rasmussen, ABCNews, and a couple of others). See the aggregate here: http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/08-us-pres-ge-mvo.phpAlso, McCain's percentages on Intrade continue to drop (over the past week, he's fallen 10 full points). Finally, the electoral vote predictions on the leading sites have shifted about 15-25 points in Obama's favor recently. (But, I'm still not comfortable.) He's only down 5 points from where he should be Intrade had someone messing with their numbers. http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/intrade-betting-is-suspcious.htmlThe information is a little old but Obama was about 60 up until the debates anywhere but intrade.
He was "60 up" by what measure? Can you point me to a site where he's lost ground since the debates (other than the single point of data which is yesterday's Gallup poll)?
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Palin definitely knows how to prepare a fresh word salad.
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Sarah Palin making reciting talking points look difficult. As well as taking softball questions look painful.
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Listening to Sarah Palin is excruciating.
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I wonder if the VP debate moderator having a personal $$$ stake in Obama winning the presidency with her book due out on his inaguration day will make it easier for the McCain camp to spin Palin's likely defeat in the debate tomorrow.
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On October 02 2008 04:22 NovaTheFeared wrote:
I wonder if the VP debate moderator having a personal $$$ stake in Obama winning the presidency with her book due out on his inaguration day will make it easier for the McCain camp to spin Palin's likely defeat in the debate tomorrow.
Fox's Carl Cameron asked John McCain today if he thought that PBS journalist Gwen Ifill should recuse herself from moderating Thursday's VP debate in St. Louis.
"I think that Gwen Ifill is a professional, and I think she will do a totally objective job because she is a highly-respected professional," McCain said.
"Does this help that if she has written a book that's favorable to Sen. Obama?" McCain asked. "Probably not."
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That McCain refused to call for her ouster before the debate doesn't mean his campaign won't claim bias after the fact if Palin tanks. I consider it a near certainty. In fact McCain's statement might preface the inevitable criticism. The question is whether that will be sellable, and I suspect that will have everything to do with Ifill's performance. Just bringing up the story and putting increased scrutiny on Ifill may have a chilling effect that favors McCain-Palin. This is the dirty business of politics.
If McCain was sincere in that statement and his team isn't going after Ifill the day after the debate, then I will be impressed.
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On October 02 2008 06:37 NovaTheFeared wrote:
That McCain refused to call for her ouster before the debate doesn't mean his campaign won't claim bias after the fact if she tanks. I consider it a near certainty. In fact McCain's statement might preface the inevitable criticism. The question is whether that will be sellable, and I suspect that will have everything to do with Ifill's performance. Just bringing up the story and putting increased scrutiny on Ifill may have a chilling effect that favors McCain-Palin. This is the dirty business of politics.
If McCain was sincere in that statement and his team isn't going after Ifill the day after the debate, then I will be impressed.
Well, after McCain's whole "This isn't the time for blame."..."I BLAME OBAMA AND HIS DEMS LO" bit regarding the bailout a while ago...
Yeah, doesn't look hopeful. Personally, I'd rather they'd change out the moderator and have Ifill step down or something. You can't have Biden looking like a wolf when all he's doing is debating properly AND have a seemingly pro-Obama moderator for a debate...the Republicans'll just spin that like crazy.
But hey, at least you can look forward to Friday's debate. Comedy goldmine, I'm telling you...I wonder how Palin's last might cramming debate lessons'll help her...I just hope she vomits as many catchphrases that've been forced down her throat as possible with no substance behind them. I also want more evidence of how completely ignorant she is "I DON'T REED ANY NEWSPAPERZ!!!"..."ONLY COURT CASE I NO IS ROE VS. WADE LOLOLO". My goodness she is dumb :/
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When you mention college kids not caring I don't really think it's true, unless a college student can confirm. Doesn't this affect most students who have jobs? I mean if people care more about what britney spears is doing then who to vote for the next president then that is pretty sad, hopefully americans are starting to wake up.
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BTW, Palin reads every newspaper she can't name. Oh, and Alaska is a microcosm of America. If America were Saudi Arabia. And had only white people. Also, gay people choose to be gay.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4490713n
I gotta be perfectly honest, I think Couric is being a bit too tough but I do enjoy it.
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On October 02 2008 07:23 Jibba wrote:BTW, Palin reads every newspaper she can't name. Oh, and Alaska is a microcosm of America. If America were Saudi Arabia. And had only white people. Also, gay people choose to be gay. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4490713nI gotta be perfectly honest, I think Couric is being a bit too tough but I do enjoy it.
You think Couric is being tough? Put Palin up on something like Meet the Press or have Hardball discuss her and see what happens. Oh right, McCain won't let her appear on those shows.
And yeah, I think college kids are coming out in droves to register, mostly for Obama.
At least Palin's sweet. Increasingly adorable when cornered 
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On October 01 2008 02:42 MYM.Testie wrote:
Really refreshing.
Man, I want an Obama in my country.
Let's take him?
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Obama is coming to my university tomorrow, should be exciting! :D
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On October 01 2008 21:12 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2008 14:03 BlackJack wrote:
I think if Obama does win he will have a lot to owe to the new early voting processes many states are using. One of the strongest advantages Republicans have over the Democrats is they seem to get to the polls on election day in much bigger numbers. Especially in swing states like Florida and Ohio where a lot of Democrats are in the lower income bracket and don't have transport or on college campuses where kids just don't care. Imagine being able to solicit votes for a month straight, especially on campuses where political campaigners breed like bacteria. The entire voting system needs to be reformed. A lot of states make it really difficult for students to get involved (fuck you Michigan) and there's no reason every state should have a different registration and polling process.
Michigan has made it difficult? Everywhere around and in my campus are hordes of people telling students what to do and giving out and explaining what paper work to fill in and where they will vote. Hell I even got a letter from the county clerk telling me about how since I moved I have to fill out some papers and mail them in to be able to vote. At least around here it seems pretty easy and straight forward.
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I refer to my previous post on the subject
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